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i see the spring conversion kits being sold for the front or back and as a complete for both ends

my question is can i just put the coil conversion on the front and leave the air ride on the back or do i have to change both front and rear?
 
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Taking the air ride out of a Mark is like castration. It's part of what the Mark is. Don't castrate your Mark ;) I always see Mark VIII's on ebay listed with new coil over suspension or air-ride delete or whatever and I always cringe.

Chad
 
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It's the frustration of the factory air ride 'voodoo magic' that forces most people to go with the conversion.

To answer the original question, yes you can do only the front or rears. Your supplier should have the information you are looking for and if he didn't, I'd look elsewhere. ;)
 
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You "can" do the conversion on one end or the other, but remember that you will eventually get an error message. If the module tries to make an adjustment to the end that you converted, it won't be able to do anything...because theres no way to make an adjustment by air with coil springs. The module will "see" no difference being made, and therefore it'll turn the message on and shut down the system.

In my opinion, if your going to do the conversion, do all 4 at the same time. Its cheaper in the long run and if done correctly, you'll never get the "check suspension" message again!
 
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Taking the air ride out of a Mark is like castration. It's part of what the Mark is. Don't castrate your Mark ;) I always see Mark VIII's on ebay listed with new coil over suspension or air-ride delete or whatever and I always cringe.Chad
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castration...it is not....an acceptable way to improve upon something once the original has failed. Priorities gang...if load levelling, and the novelty of having a car raise or lower for you is what you like, then keep the air ride. But if you wish to improve upon the handling, and reliability of your car's suspension, and minimize the over-all cost of ownership, then feel free to do what thousands of others have done, and install a coil conversion.

remember who paid for the car, ok?...also...it IS possible to convert just the front, but you will eventually encounter fences in the set up. Best to do it all, and have peace of mind throughout.

Oh and before anyone says anything....I have both...my 94 has coils(lowered/thicker rear sway bar) and our 97 still has the air ride, along with Eddie's killer "spider extreme"...not many out there have BOTH, so not many out there have much say in the whole "coils vs air ride" arguement.
 
Suncore Industries air struts wacky?

Suncore Industries air struts wacky?

Please help

I just ordered new front struts as well from Suncore Industries and what a catastrophe fellas anyone experience bad things from them? Anyone experience good things from them? The alignment for the top mounting and lower mounting was about 1/2 inch off after the guy got them in the bag was twisted I live in Ca and ordered them from Florida I am extremely upset it is the weekend of 5/19 and they are closed. I still had to pay for labor and had to put the old ones back on. I could of been just the unlucky one but I want no more of their parts can anyone enlighten me on this subject.By the way this was a professional installtion being done not a back yard job.

Hermj
 
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1. It may not be castration, but may be something like losing a limb and getting an artificial limb. The artificial limb will never be able to do what the real one can do.

2. I know a lot of members have had many pronblems with the Mark VIII Air Ride Systems. However, they can be repaired, and maintained if you know what you are doing.

3. The parts are expensive, but remember, you are driving a Lincoln, not an Escort.

4. As long as parts are available, I will stick with the original Air Ride System. ;)
 
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1. It may not be castration, but may be something like losing a limb and getting an artificial limb. The artificial limb will never be able to do what the real one can do. 2. I know a lot of members have had many pronblems with the Mark VIII Air Ride Systems. However, they can be repaired, and maintained if you know what you are doing. 3. The parts are expensive, but remember, you are driving a Lincoln, not an Escort. 4. As long as parts are available, I will stick with the original Air Ride System. ;)
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Well said sir!
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong]Taking the air ride out of a Mark is like castration. It's part of what the Mark is. Don't castrate your Mark ;) I always see Mark VIII's on ebay listed with new coil over suspension or air-ride delete or whatever and I always cringe.Chad[/div]http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~marmille/smileys/blahblah.gifcastration...it is not....an acceptable way to improve upon something once the original has failed. Priorities gang...if load levelling, and the novelty of having a car raise or lower for you is what you like, then keep the air ride. But if you wish to improve upon the handling, and reliability of your car's suspension, and minimize the over-all cost of ownership, then feel free to do what thousands of others have done, and install a coil conversion.remember who paid for the car, ok?...also...it IS possible to convert just the front, but you will eventually encounter fences in the set up. Best to do it all, and have peace of mind throughout.Oh and before anyone says anything....I have both...my 94 has coils(lowered/thicker rear sway bar) and our 97 still has the air ride, along with Eddie's killer "spider extreme"...not many out there have BOTH, so not many out there have much say in the whole "coils vs air ride" arguement.
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So far three different people in the Houston Area have contacted me with problems related to Coil Coversions.

1 swapped to coils and is now working on getting his air ride "BACK".

1 against my advice swapped out only the fronts, and now has a problem getting air into the rears.

1 swapped to coils and now says his ride is far worse than it was with the air springs

ZERO have said they "liked" the conversion other than it was pretty simple to install.

Just because it's "simple" doesnt mean its the best option,
SETTING FIRE to the car is simple, but once again.. not the best option IMHO

3 for 3 here in texas are not happy with the results of their air ride conversion.

California residents may be different..scratch that.. California residents ARE different. { jus joking Craig)

I've also noticed quite a few mark 8's on Ebay with coil conversions.

I suspect the owners had air ride problems, swapped to coils and now they are selling the car...
Kinda makes ya go HMMMMMM doesnt it?

I've only heard ONE very vocal supporter of Coil Conversions, someone who spent the money and did it themselves....

ONE Supporter out of how many users on this board?

Same user had a coil coversion kit NAMED after him...
{grins}
Again.. kinda makes ya go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM doesnt it?
 
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THANKS----JUST ORDERED NEW STRUTS FOR THE FRONT
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1. You will be much happier with the air ride system as opposed to the coil replacements!:)
 
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No more arguements from me. Just stats and facts from now on. But remember, you may disagree with me, yet I continue to get asked questions from those that think I am wrong.

You guys want answers to questions about coils? use the search function. I have already answered them all, and got nothing but "booo's"

I will state this though:

1- I can name 10 people who have not only been IN my car with coils on it, but who have actually DRIVEN my car.

of those 10, 6 of them swapped to coils at the first sign of air ride trouble.

of those 10, 2 went out and bought Mark VIII's and immediately swapped to coils because they preferred the ride quality over the air(and before you compare old air ride parts to new coils, one Mark VIII had BRAND NEW Gen 2 air springs in the front, new rear shocks, and a completely rebuild front end...the new owner simply preferred the ride of coils-again, his opinion).

I would like to safely say this:

No matter what parts you need/decide to go with, dont waste your time with any vendor out there who isnt called AMERICAN AIR SUSPENSION. Eddie knows these cars, he sells quality products, at excellent prices, and can provide you with the best customer service BAR NONE.

You folks need to find your priorities. But dont slander the coils until you've actually used them...

Good luck with finding out what info you need folks...I already have my info. I was willing to share it with those who asked for it. But arguing with folks who have not used coils is a waste of my time.

remember, I have both...

94, slammed with coils(not named after me or my car)
97 LSC lowered with new air ride parts(and spider extreme)

yea...it's safe to say that I know what I am talking about. I think unless you've actually driven with a Mark VIII with a conversion kit on it, and I mean driven it...not 2 miles, not through a parking lot...but driven it in real life...unless you've done that, you really cant answer "what's a better option".


You wont find me comparing a Mark VIII to a LS8 because I have not driven a LS8.
 
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No more arguements from me. Just stats and facts from now on. But remember, you may disagree with me, yet I continue to get asked questions from those that think I am wrong.You guys want answers to questions about coils? use the search function. I have already answered them all, and got nothing but "booo's" I will state this though:1- I can name 10 people who have not only been IN my car with coils on it, but who have actually DRIVEN my car.of those 10, 6 of them swapped to coils at the first sign of air ride trouble.of those 10, 2 went out and bought Mark VIII's and immediately swapped to coils because they preferred the ride quality over the air(and before you compare old air ride parts to new coils, one Mark VIII had BRAND NEW Gen 2 air springs in the front, new rear shocks, and a completely rebuild front end...the new owner simply preferred the ride of coils-again, his opinion).I would like to safely say this:No matter what parts you need/decide to go with, dont waste your time with any vendor out there who isnt called AMERICAN AIR SUSPENSION. Eddie knows these cars, he sells quality products, at excellent prices, and can provide you with the best customer service BAR NONE.You folks need to find your priorities. But dont slander the coils until you've actually used them...Good luck with finding out what info you need folks...I already have my info. I was willing to share it with those who asked for it. But arguing with folks who have not used coils is a waste of my time.remember, I have both...94, slammed with coils(not named after me or my car)97 LSC lowered with new air ride parts(and spider extreme)yea...it's safe to say that I know what I am talking about. I think unless you've actually driven with a Mark VIII with a conversion kit on it, and I mean driven it...not 2 miles, not through a parking lot...but driven it in real life...unless you've done that, you really cant answer "what's a better option". You wont find me comparing a Mark VIII to a LS8 because I have not driven a LS8.
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For those of us who are curious, what kind of car can we test drive that feels like a Mark VIII with the conversion? T-Bird?
 
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logres...I guess I didnt make it clear...no more arguements from me....but, nice try.
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I wasn't looking for an argument...I just would like to know somewhat how it feels before I throw a lot of money and time at it.
 
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No more arguements from me. Just stats and facts from now on. But remember, you may disagree with me, yet I continue to get asked questions from those that think I am wrong.You guys want answers to questions about coils? use the search function. I have already answered them all, and got nothing but "booo's" I will state this though:1- I can name 10 people who have not only been IN my car with coils on it, but who have actually DRIVEN my car.of those 10, 6 of them swapped to coils at the first sign of air ride trouble.of those 10, 2 went out and bought Mark VIII's and immediately swapped to coils because they preferred the ride quality over the air(and before you compare old air ride parts to new coils, one Mark VIII had BRAND NEW Gen 2 air springs in the front, new rear shocks, and a completely rebuild front end...the new owner simply preferred the ride of coils-again, his opinion).I would like to safely say this:No matter what parts you need/decide to go with, dont waste your time with any vendor out there who isnt called AMERICAN AIR SUSPENSION. Eddie knows these cars, he sells quality products, at excellent prices, and can provide you with the best customer service BAR NONE.You folks need to find your priorities. But dont slander the coils until you've actually used them...Good luck with finding out what info you need folks...I already have my info. I was willing to share it with those who asked for it. But arguing with folks who have not used coils is a waste of my time.remember, I have both...94, slammed with coils(not named after me or my car)97 LSC lowered with new air ride parts(and spider extreme)yea...it's safe to say that I know what I am talking about. I think unless you've actually driven with a Mark VIII with a conversion kit on it, and I mean driven it...not 2 miles, not through a parking lot...but driven it in real life...unless you've done that, you really cant answer "what's a better option". You wont find me comparing a Mark VIII to a LS8 because I have not driven a LS8.
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1. I am not here to disparage Eddie. However, he is not the only one that has quality parts for the Mark VIII air ride system.

2. I have had no problems from the folks in Florida and Motorcraft OE stuff.

3. If you like the coil conversion, more power to you. I just like the OE air ride system and think that it is superior to the coils. Ford engineered the car to work with the air ride system. I will stick with it for now!;)
 
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I think it is a regional issue as well that some of our southern and western brethren don't understand.

I live in Cincinnati Ohio where it is humid in the summer almost as humid as down south even though no one ever believes us when we say that. In the winter we get black ice here and there so the roads get salted with more salt than soy sauce.

We get our share of rain as well and damp conditions and all of that does no good for cars or houses for that matter. I see Lincolns with deflated air suspensions all the time and it is my opinion that rust in the rust belt does a a lot to ruin all parts of the car. I love cars and the rust around here is a constant fight and one has to realize that owning a nice car and driving it all year is at best a 10 year affair then throw the car away.

My car has a coil conversion put on by the former owner after he bought it from a guy where it sat grounded. Salt and rust ruins the fittings, control pieces and much more. Hell, every car I have owned had light surface rust on the braces under the dash. In the case of Lincolns maybe the rust is not a direct cause, but the extreme conditions from hot to cold over the years cannot help either.

I wouldn't buy a used car in this are with a complex air system in this environment and the coil conversion was welcome.

Just my .02
 
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