The Truth
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RE: The Truth
You guys are reading me wrong! You are reading into it what you want! I AM NOT AM NOT AM NOT putting Cal down! I am merely stating my opinion. I truly believe that Calvin sticks by his convections because he believes he is correct in so doing! I would NOT want him to alter his beliefs. He is * as much as any of us * CORRECT to follow his heart! It's also my opinion that he believes he is 100% correct, and therefore has no reason(s) to change, NOR should he IF IF IF IF he really feels that way. What the heck is wrong with my saying that? Don't YOU feel that YOU are always correct???
You guys are reading me wrong! You are reading into it what you want! I AM NOT AM NOT AM NOT putting Cal down! I am merely stating my opinion. I truly believe that Calvin sticks by his convections because he believes he is correct in so doing! I would NOT want him to alter his beliefs. He is * as much as any of us * CORRECT to follow his heart! It's also my opinion that he believes he is 100% correct, and therefore has no reason(s) to change, NOR should he IF IF IF IF he really feels that way. What the heck is wrong with my saying that? Don't YOU feel that YOU are always correct???
IceMans Revenge
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Sandy, yes, you're 100% right. I am always correct.
(just kidding) *evil grin*
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Sandy, yes, you're 100% right. I am always correct.
(just kidding) *evil grin*
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Maybe so Art, but I'd like to give it one last shot.
As for responding here, I don't expect him to. But he's got another forum where he's free to do that.
And I say again, as long as there is this hostility and judgement aimed at him, it IS pointless. It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
Maybe so Art, but I'd like to give it one last shot.
As for responding here, I don't expect him to. But he's got another forum where he's free to do that.
And I say again, as long as there is this hostility and judgement aimed at him, it IS pointless. It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
LeoC2
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Maybe so Art, but I'd like to give it one last shot.
As for responding here, I don't expect him to. But he's got another forum where he's free to do that.
And I say again, as long as there is this hostility and judgement aimed at him, it IS pointless. It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
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He may be free to respond here but we aren't on the dark side. Any mere mention of this URL gets you suspended! Try typing www.lincolnsclub.org in a message and it come as as www.####.org as if it was a dirty word. Paranoia reigns supreme over there, and for good reason, most people ARE after him!
Therefore the hostility aimed at ##### is quite justified.
Maybe so Art, but I'd like to give it one last shot.
As for responding here, I don't expect him to. But he's got another forum where he's free to do that.
And I say again, as long as there is this hostility and judgement aimed at him, it IS pointless. It's a self fulfilling prophesy.
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He may be free to respond here but we aren't on the dark side. Any mere mention of this URL gets you suspended! Try typing www.lincolnsclub.org in a message and it come as as www.####.org as if it was a dirty word. Paranoia reigns supreme over there, and for good reason, most people ARE after him!
Therefore the hostility aimed at ##### is quite justified.
RE: The Truth
Guys,
I am fairly new here so I may not have a full understanding of the entire situation, but WE NEED TO MOVE ON HERE. It seems to ME that neither side is going to give enough for both the BOD and Calvin to be happy. If you are unhappy with the leadership stand up and run for office if not please shut up about it.
This is now the offical site for the club. If Calvin is still set in his ways about the old board and feels that the club owes him then that is something that has to be resolved by the legal system. Members are free to post on either board. If you post there you know the rules same here.
I agree that Board members shouldn't automatically be mods. I think mods should have a good understanding about the area of the board they are overseeing. I am not saying that anyone one of the current mods don't have what it takes. Please don't take it that way. I do feel that until things settle down, The BOD should be overseeing things and after this all over it should be a decision by the BOD as to who the mods are. That is if anyone other then themselves steps up to the plate. The BOD should also look at how the MOD's are doing and make replacements when needed.
Now please can we move on and get back to talking about what really brought us all here the CARS. Sorry if the spelling is bad anywhere, I am probally the world's worst speller.
Guys,
I am fairly new here so I may not have a full understanding of the entire situation, but WE NEED TO MOVE ON HERE. It seems to ME that neither side is going to give enough for both the BOD and Calvin to be happy. If you are unhappy with the leadership stand up and run for office if not please shut up about it.
This is now the offical site for the club. If Calvin is still set in his ways about the old board and feels that the club owes him then that is something that has to be resolved by the legal system. Members are free to post on either board. If you post there you know the rules same here.
I agree that Board members shouldn't automatically be mods. I think mods should have a good understanding about the area of the board they are overseeing. I am not saying that anyone one of the current mods don't have what it takes. Please don't take it that way. I do feel that until things settle down, The BOD should be overseeing things and after this all over it should be a decision by the BOD as to who the mods are. That is if anyone other then themselves steps up to the plate. The BOD should also look at how the MOD's are doing and make replacements when needed.
Now please can we move on and get back to talking about what really brought us all here the CARS. Sorry if the spelling is bad anywhere, I am probally the world's worst speller.
DOHC MARK VIII
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John, you're a pretty smart fella, I just wish a few other people would understand and feel the same way, Thanks.
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** Bill **
1995 LSC-R'ed w/Recaro's and Cobra R's
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...Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism, and communism, WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING...
John, you're a pretty smart fella, I just wish a few other people would understand and feel the same way, Thanks.
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** Bill **
1995 LSC-R'ed w/Recaro's and Cobra R's
Veteran of Carlisle 2000/01/02
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...Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism, and communism, WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING...
IceMans Revenge
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Wow, some of you hardcore guys are really missing the point. I’m sorry if I digress a bit here, but that is only because I have been at work for the last 8 hours, and I will be here for another 8, so this is the first chance I have had to really respond.
First off, Leo, it is that type of post that is inherently not constructive. What was the point of all this talk about not personally targeting people? What was all this talk of coming here because Calvin has personally targeted people? The “Dark Side” was funny for a minute. Let it go. The “lemming” is a poor choice of words. We are supposed to be BEYOND the name calling. You know, in many ways, and according to your definition, anyone who follows an individual blindly, those who followed the Board of Directors here did so blindly, or more importantly, on good faith, can also be subjected to the “lemming“ label. It is impossible to be in someone else’s head Leo, so anyone who follows the direction, or lead, of another must follow so in good will. Just because there are those who do not wish to participate on this board does not mean they are “traitors.” (my word)
Please remember this, many of the rebuttal here has centered around Cal’s insistence on a certain way of things. Let me remind you of what you just said: “Lets just say that those that are refusing to come here and participate in the club and it's official and only message board are those in question.”
I think everyone can infer where that is going.
Mark, Some great ideas, that is a good STARTING point at least.
Leo, your statement that Cal usurped the privileges is NOT of course the whole story. Wouldn’t you agree?
Mark, as far as “forcing their own agenda,” I am trying to steer clear of insinuating that either side has done this, or that either side has any intention of doing so. Let me make this clear, I don’t hold any ill will towards the Lincolns of Distinction Board of Directors, nor do I wish for a complete upheaval. Rather, I want conscientious and intelligent discourse with the members concerning the future of the club. Also, this was not meant to insinuate any mal intent on the part of the BOD concerning the direction of the club.
Alex, it is this type of public openness to compromise that the club needs. I thank you for your public position.
Sharon, I have not had a chance to respond to that quote you put up on this thread. I agree with you 100%. One of the problems with the whole situation has been the new people not knowing anything about the situation, but turning around and making comments like that. Now I knew myself when I posted this, because I have not been around for awhile, that I would be accused of being an hour and a half late to a two hour movie… However, when I did get back I got an earful, from both sides. It’s all hearsay. Unfortunately, everything anyone has been told, or seen, or discovered is hearsay. So there is no ‘truth’ per say. There are a lot of insinuations and short tempers. You see I can be an hour and a half late to a movie and not like the ending. And yes, maybe I’m an arrogant SOB for thinking I can change the ending, but guess what, I’ll at least try. I have heard some “messed up” things that have been “done” by members on both sides. Each side feels it’s atrocity makes them the hero and the other sides’ supporters “lemmings.” One of the key points I am trying to make is how ridiculous that attitude is when good people have tried to stay neutral- yet have found themselves consumed by the firestorm. My whole point was that no one wants to keep score anymore. There are TOO many people involved. This should have been between Calvin, Alex, and Kale. My call here is to quell the hostility, and for people to look beyond their own “hate.” I also wanted to point out some injustices that I think had sprung up on this board.
Sharon, to you personally I would like to say this: I have never doubted or questioned your tireless service to this club. It is with my deepest regrets that you took this very personally because of my suggestions that new leadership might need to come soon. The call for more resignations was not, and still is not, related in any way to your resignation from the LOD. Nor have I read anything else concerning this. In fact Sharon, when I did sit down to write the above post, you were not even on my mind…=) At no time precipitating this post was your name mentioned or did I view anything pertaining to you. I too will remain your friend. I know this has been a frustrating time for you, and I do not envy your task. The initial post in this thread was not meant to be judgmental or hurtful.
Know this, I told Ray that he needs to stop being so pigheaded as well in the future, especially when it comes to people who, despite their past differences, or how anyone should feel about each other, are now, and at this moment in time, extending the hand of friendship.
Remember, reconciliation is never a mute point.
John, I agree for the most part…=)
Bill, you stole my crayon..=)
Mark, I like the self fulfilling prophecy part…=D Different way of putting things, but still well said.
Leo, I have mentioned the URL on Calvin‘s board and was not suspended, nor was I even warned.
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Wow, some of you hardcore guys are really missing the point. I’m sorry if I digress a bit here, but that is only because I have been at work for the last 8 hours, and I will be here for another 8, so this is the first chance I have had to really respond.
First off, Leo, it is that type of post that is inherently not constructive. What was the point of all this talk about not personally targeting people? What was all this talk of coming here because Calvin has personally targeted people? The “Dark Side” was funny for a minute. Let it go. The “lemming” is a poor choice of words. We are supposed to be BEYOND the name calling. You know, in many ways, and according to your definition, anyone who follows an individual blindly, those who followed the Board of Directors here did so blindly, or more importantly, on good faith, can also be subjected to the “lemming“ label. It is impossible to be in someone else’s head Leo, so anyone who follows the direction, or lead, of another must follow so in good will. Just because there are those who do not wish to participate on this board does not mean they are “traitors.” (my word)
Please remember this, many of the rebuttal here has centered around Cal’s insistence on a certain way of things. Let me remind you of what you just said: “Lets just say that those that are refusing to come here and participate in the club and it's official and only message board are those in question.”
I think everyone can infer where that is going.
Mark, Some great ideas, that is a good STARTING point at least.
Leo, your statement that Cal usurped the privileges is NOT of course the whole story. Wouldn’t you agree?
Mark, as far as “forcing their own agenda,” I am trying to steer clear of insinuating that either side has done this, or that either side has any intention of doing so. Let me make this clear, I don’t hold any ill will towards the Lincolns of Distinction Board of Directors, nor do I wish for a complete upheaval. Rather, I want conscientious and intelligent discourse with the members concerning the future of the club. Also, this was not meant to insinuate any mal intent on the part of the BOD concerning the direction of the club.
Alex, it is this type of public openness to compromise that the club needs. I thank you for your public position.
Sharon, I have not had a chance to respond to that quote you put up on this thread. I agree with you 100%. One of the problems with the whole situation has been the new people not knowing anything about the situation, but turning around and making comments like that. Now I knew myself when I posted this, because I have not been around for awhile, that I would be accused of being an hour and a half late to a two hour movie…
However, when I did get back I got an earful, from both sides. It’s all hearsay. Unfortunately, everything anyone has been told, or seen, or discovered is hearsay. So there is no ‘truth’ per say. There are a lot of insinuations and short tempers. You see I can be an hour and a half late to a movie and not like the ending. And yes, maybe I’m an arrogant SOB for thinking I can change the ending, but guess what, I’ll at least try. I have heard some “messed up” things that have been “done” by members on both sides. Each side feels it’s atrocity makes them the hero and the other sides’ supporters “lemmings.” One of the key points I am trying to make is how ridiculous that attitude is when good people have tried to stay neutral- yet have found themselves consumed by the firestorm. My whole point was that no one wants to keep score anymore. There are TOO many people involved. This should have been between Calvin, Alex, and Kale. My call here is to quell the hostility, and for people to look beyond their own “hate.” I also wanted to point out some injustices that I think had sprung up on this board. Sharon, to you personally I would like to say this: I have never doubted or questioned your tireless service to this club. It is with my deepest regrets that you took this very personally because of my suggestions that new leadership might need to come soon. The call for more resignations was not, and still is not, related in any way to your resignation from the LOD. Nor have I read anything else concerning this. In fact Sharon, when I did sit down to write the above post, you were not even on my mind…=) At no time precipitating this post was your name mentioned or did I view anything pertaining to you. I too will remain your friend. I know this has been a frustrating time for you, and I do not envy your task. The initial post in this thread was not meant to be judgmental or hurtful.
Know this, I told Ray that he needs to stop being so pigheaded as well in the future, especially when it comes to people who, despite their past differences, or how anyone should feel about each other, are now, and at this moment in time, extending the hand of friendship.
Remember, reconciliation is never a mute point.
John, I agree for the most part…=)
Bill, you stole my crayon..=)
Mark, I like the self fulfilling prophecy part…=D Different way of putting things, but still well said.
Leo, I have mentioned the URL on Calvin‘s board and was not suspended, nor was I even warned.
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LeoC2
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John you are onnly seeing what ou want here. First off, I stick by my descripion, LEMMINGS. They fololowed their leader blindly with no thought or logic as to what the real facts where or the consequences whereas those of us here stuck with the club because we knew the true facts. There is no name calling here whereas on the dark side (still funny or not) the name calling and sabotage continues. There is no one sided censorship here whereas over there the mere mention of this URL gets you a suspension!
Sorry John, I stick by my convictions and opinions. The BOD did a great job under very difficult conditions and we should be standing by them in their efforts to get back what rightfully belongs to the club.
I have nothing more to say, I'm getting tired of all this. We should be concentrating on finding a replacement for our expelled VP.
John you are onnly seeing what ou want here. First off, I stick by my descripion, LEMMINGS. They fololowed their leader blindly with no thought or logic as to what the real facts where or the consequences whereas those of us here stuck with the club because we knew the true facts. There is no name calling here whereas on the dark side (still funny or not) the name calling and sabotage continues. There is no one sided censorship here whereas over there the mere mention of this URL gets you a suspension!
Sorry John, I stick by my convictions and opinions. The BOD did a great job under very difficult conditions and we should be standing by them in their efforts to get back what rightfully belongs to the club.
I have nothing more to say, I'm getting tired of all this. We should be concentrating on finding a replacement for our expelled VP.
Splat
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My personal opinion
Much like the majority around here on both sides of the issue I too used to look forward to a visit to the LOD boards both for the wealth of information and for the what seemed at the time the unparalleled good nature of most of the people involved. It seemed like a great place to call a cyber home thereby inspiring me to think it a great club to join the club and in my case that was about 3 years ago and since then I have built what to me are what I perceived to be some great friendships.
Then the first of this year the stuff hits the fan. Now some chose to leave in disgust while others chose to take up a seat on the fence just to see what would happen next, while still others decided to choose sides. What worked and still does work for me is that since I joined, sent my membership dues in this became my club just like any other member can call it his or her club, which seems to me to be the whole concept of the thing. I watched as the details unfolded and since it’s my club I made it my business to know as many of the details as I could and as with any battle aren’t by any means all the details, just all the details I have been able to learn.
Fact: About 3 years ago those who to their credit started LOD made the club an incorporated club and IMO on that day gave LOD a life of it’s own, no longer belonging to any one person or select group of people but an entity unto itself belonging equally to all the members of the club. Seems to me there’s still something of a perception that the club belongs to those who conceived it and by my opinion at least that perception may have been the case before but when those few signed the paperwork making LOD an incorporated club at that point they relinquished any claim of personal property they might have had on it. It in a sense might be their baby of their conception but its life is ultimately it’s own belonging only to the shareholders, the greater body of the membership as a whole.
Once a year we have an election where we the members choose of those who volunteer a club leadership, not to manage their club but to manage our club and we expect and are rightfully entitled to expect them all to work on behalf of what is in the best interest of our club. If for whatever reason, personal issues or their own personal conflicting opinions on what is in the best interest of our club they can’t fulfill that obligation then it’s time for them to step down, or be ousted from office if necessary and as a last resort it’s up to us as the membership to step up to the challenge or to find someone within our ranks we can persuade to do so and replace who ever needs replacing with our votes come election time again. Last election the LOD leadership ran completely unopposed which suggest to me ether we were completely happy with how things were being run, or we were deceived into believing all was well, or we simply chose not to get involved ourselves in which case while we all sit grumbling looking for someone to blame we need look no further then the guy in the mirror.
Back to my point. While we all try to form some kind of perspective on the whole issue of this division, based on what fact we each know it’s important to remember none of us really know the whole story and all the facts that lead us to where we are now. All any of us can be really sure of is none of us are happy with a house divided or the whole situation as it is, while a few people with their lawyers at their side decide the fate of what really doesn’t belong to them any more then any other contributing member if we consider that without the content donated by us there would be little for anyone to fight over. What is sad and a loss for all of us is our actively taking sides in what is a fight between two or 3 people over what doesn’t belong to any of them anymore anyway, not since their signing of the incorporation paperwork and that fact it seems to me still hasn’t hit home on all bases yet.
As for my part in all this that I’m sure at least some of you might wonder is quite simply this. My priority is what’s best for the Lincolns of Distinction club as a whole, not for or against any one elected representative of our club. I seen a need for volunteers so not unlike others here or there that might volunteer their help I stepped up to the plate and volunteered my time and experience as a moderator since at this point I have the time and ability to do so, and whether that means working with past present or future club leadership really isn’t the point.
What I am most interested in seeing is what Calvin’s opinion on all this is since the fact is he is a key player in this whole fiasco yet so far at least silent on the topic and like it or not it’s time for that to change.
My personal opinion
Much like the majority around here on both sides of the issue I too used to look forward to a visit to the LOD boards both for the wealth of information and for the what seemed at the time the unparalleled good nature of most of the people involved. It seemed like a great place to call a cyber home thereby inspiring me to think it a great club to join the club and in my case that was about 3 years ago and since then I have built what to me are what I perceived to be some great friendships.
Then the first of this year the stuff hits the fan. Now some chose to leave in disgust while others chose to take up a seat on the fence just to see what would happen next, while still others decided to choose sides. What worked and still does work for me is that since I joined, sent my membership dues in this became my club just like any other member can call it his or her club, which seems to me to be the whole concept of the thing. I watched as the details unfolded and since it’s my club I made it my business to know as many of the details as I could and as with any battle aren’t by any means all the details, just all the details I have been able to learn.
Fact: About 3 years ago those who to their credit started LOD made the club an incorporated club and IMO on that day gave LOD a life of it’s own, no longer belonging to any one person or select group of people but an entity unto itself belonging equally to all the members of the club. Seems to me there’s still something of a perception that the club belongs to those who conceived it and by my opinion at least that perception may have been the case before but when those few signed the paperwork making LOD an incorporated club at that point they relinquished any claim of personal property they might have had on it. It in a sense might be their baby of their conception but its life is ultimately it’s own belonging only to the shareholders, the greater body of the membership as a whole.
Once a year we have an election where we the members choose of those who volunteer a club leadership, not to manage their club but to manage our club and we expect and are rightfully entitled to expect them all to work on behalf of what is in the best interest of our club. If for whatever reason, personal issues or their own personal conflicting opinions on what is in the best interest of our club they can’t fulfill that obligation then it’s time for them to step down, or be ousted from office if necessary and as a last resort it’s up to us as the membership to step up to the challenge or to find someone within our ranks we can persuade to do so and replace who ever needs replacing with our votes come election time again. Last election the LOD leadership ran completely unopposed which suggest to me ether we were completely happy with how things were being run, or we were deceived into believing all was well, or we simply chose not to get involved ourselves in which case while we all sit grumbling looking for someone to blame we need look no further then the guy in the mirror.
Back to my point. While we all try to form some kind of perspective on the whole issue of this division, based on what fact we each know it’s important to remember none of us really know the whole story and all the facts that lead us to where we are now. All any of us can be really sure of is none of us are happy with a house divided or the whole situation as it is, while a few people with their lawyers at their side decide the fate of what really doesn’t belong to them any more then any other contributing member if we consider that without the content donated by us there would be little for anyone to fight over. What is sad and a loss for all of us is our actively taking sides in what is a fight between two or 3 people over what doesn’t belong to any of them anymore anyway, not since their signing of the incorporation paperwork and that fact it seems to me still hasn’t hit home on all bases yet.
As for my part in all this that I’m sure at least some of you might wonder is quite simply this. My priority is what’s best for the Lincolns of Distinction club as a whole, not for or against any one elected representative of our club. I seen a need for volunteers so not unlike others here or there that might volunteer their help I stepped up to the plate and volunteered my time and experience as a moderator since at this point I have the time and ability to do so, and whether that means working with past present or future club leadership really isn’t the point.
What I am most interested in seeing is what Calvin’s opinion on all this is since the fact is he is a key player in this whole fiasco yet so far at least silent on the topic and like it or not it’s time for that to change.
sotexlincoln
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I am coppin' a resentment here. I used to have the thread with the most posts in the Glove Box forum, but it looks like this one will surpass my 'Top Gun' topic. ;-)
I wonder if this argument will surface at Carlisle and create some 'heat'?
I am coppin' a resentment here. I used to have the thread with the most posts in the Glove Box forum, but it looks like this one will surpass my 'Top Gun' topic. ;-)
I wonder if this argument will surface at Carlisle and create some 'heat'?
RE: The Truth
One small correction. The club was formed in 1999, but not incorporated as non-profit orgaization until November 19, 2001.
The club has a federal tax ID number as a non-profit organization since November 29, 2001 and is registered as operating under the name "Lincolns of Distinction." The original domain names for the club were registered under the name "Lincolns of Distinction." The questioning of ownership did not occur until this year.
Readers can draw their own conclusions as to ownership of the domains.
Alexander
President
Lincolns of Distinction
One small correction. The club was formed in 1999, but not incorporated as non-profit orgaization until November 19, 2001.
The club has a federal tax ID number as a non-profit organization since November 29, 2001 and is registered as operating under the name "Lincolns of Distinction." The original domain names for the club were registered under the name "Lincolns of Distinction." The questioning of ownership did not occur until this year.
Readers can draw their own conclusions as to ownership of the domains.
Alexander
President
Lincolns of Distinction
RE: The Truth
Dave: that was a very good post.
As you (and many others) know, I was in the same boat as John Boyle. I only had half the story. I assumed that some of the members left in a huff because of ego problems. I supported Calvin Louie because I thought he deserved my support. I felt this way even though I knew Calvin did not particularly like me after I questioned the illogical eBay rule. Then I decided to look a little bit closer at what happened. Little by little, the facts started to surface. After awhile, the preponderance of evidence made me switch sides. It was so obvious, that I was surprised that I did not see the whole picture from the beginning. I guess I was only interested in the 'car' side of the board and had blinders on.
I think any openminded person that examines the facts will come to the same conclusion as I did. At least I looked at it from both prospectives.
Dave: that was a very good post.
As you (and many others) know, I was in the same boat as John Boyle. I only had half the story. I assumed that some of the members left in a huff because of ego problems. I supported Calvin Louie because I thought he deserved my support. I felt this way even though I knew Calvin did not particularly like me after I questioned the illogical eBay rule. Then I decided to look a little bit closer at what happened. Little by little, the facts started to surface. After awhile, the preponderance of evidence made me switch sides. It was so obvious, that I was surprised that I did not see the whole picture from the beginning. I guess I was only interested in the 'car' side of the board and had blinders on.
I think any openminded person that examines the facts will come to the same conclusion as I did. At least I looked at it from both prospectives.
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I just posted this on the MarkVIII board and thought I'd share here as well. I am so grateful for everyone's help over the years.
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I too wish this would not have happened or could go away, and I cannot take sides as help and support have been provided by both groups in this debate.
Do you remember the good old days on the old Boardhost board when all of us old timers, (like me, at the time 23, now almost 28), learned more about these cars in 2 weeks than we had in the entire time with the car to that point? That was back in 98/99... My how time flies.
All I can say is "I love you man," to all those guys and gals on this and other boards where Mark VIIIs are represented and embraced.
Best Regards to all from a long time LOD member and current "lurker", who only speaks when spoken to, and 1Iced8's post spoke to me.
Take Care!
Canuck
I just posted this on the MarkVIII board and thought I'd share here as well. I am so grateful for everyone's help over the years.
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I too wish this would not have happened or could go away, and I cannot take sides as help and support have been provided by both groups in this debate.
Do you remember the good old days on the old Boardhost board when all of us old timers, (like me, at the time 23, now almost 28), learned more about these cars in 2 weeks than we had in the entire time with the car to that point? That was back in 98/99... My how time flies.
All I can say is "I love you man," to all those guys and gals on this and other boards where Mark VIIIs are represented and embraced.
Best Regards to all from a long time LOD member and current "lurker", who only speaks when spoken to, and 1Iced8's post spoke to me.
Take Care!
Canuck
J
joeychgo
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RE: The Truth
Unfortunately .............. not a word from Calvin...... Not that I expected to hear anything, but perhaps, was hopeful?
That is a shame.
Unfortunately .............. not a word from Calvin...... Not that I expected to hear anything, but perhaps, was hopeful?
That is a shame.
RE: The Truth
just had to add my 2 cents, seen this on the "other site" today long story short i no longer have my mark so have not been checking other site out much and when did a few times i could sense something was wrong (should of read some posts but did not see usual usernames so just did something else on the net) i was "dbrach" and the guy who sold petey his mark a few months ago.. bottom line someone seen my reply post over there today and emailed me and let me know of this site.. what the heck has been going on??(aagh nevermind) - should of took some time and read some posts past and present but gee i guess you snooze you lose , glad to see another site (i guess) looks like some heavy drama and a control thing going on. (i dont know just was surfing today and stumbled on to check on some mark viii stuff ,)all i know i enjoyed my mark and miss it and always liked the site and enjoyed it and it was very helpful (especially when sold my mark) and actually looking to maybe get into another one but for time being just saying hi and good luck to all, and hey petey how's the car? good i hope..
just had to add my 2 cents, seen this on the "other site" today long story short i no longer have my mark so have not been checking other site out much and when did a few times i could sense something was wrong (should of read some posts but did not see usual usernames so just did something else on the net) i was "dbrach" and the guy who sold petey his mark a few months ago.. bottom line someone seen my reply post over there today and emailed me and let me know of this site.. what the heck has been going on??(aagh nevermind) - should of took some time and read some posts past and present but gee i guess you snooze you lose , glad to see another site (i guess) looks like some heavy drama and a control thing going on. (i dont know just was surfing today and stumbled on to check on some mark viii stuff ,)all i know i enjoyed my mark and miss it and always liked the site and enjoyed it and it was very helpful (especially when sold my mark) and actually looking to maybe get into another one but for time being just saying hi and good luck to all, and hey petey how's the car? good i hope..