Maplecrest L~M Lets Me Down

Sandy

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Had a bad experience today, at my beloved Maplecrest, so since I always praise them to the sky (and back), I thought that I should be fair and tell of today's lousey experience!

I took the Town Car in for a 1,000 mile oil change. I actually have 1,500 miles ~ but anyhow, I like to dump the oil at the first 1,000 miles because 90% of the driving is stop & go & stop & go, all under 30 M.P.H.
That said, I arrive and am greeted by a new service writer (that does not know I am anal retental fussy worry-wort highly nervous consumer)as the other guys do. Okay let's make the best of it, I think. I tell him I want an oil change & filter and that I have 1,500 miles on it. He replies, "You want the 5,000 mile service then?" No, I say, just a simple oil & filter change" ~ Okay, he writes up the work order and I go to the waiting lounge, to see today's snacks. Bagels & Cream Cheese or Dunkin' Donuts. Coffee. I just take a coffee, and go around the different departments saying HI to everyone as I have not been there since delivery on April 10th. After like 15 minutes, I see my car crusin' into the service area, with a totally new guy (technician) driving it. Oy Vey, a new tech, also? I go to grab a bagel and return only to see him removing my wheels!!!! WTF is this? So, I go into the shop area and ask him. He says, "It's a 5,000 mile service, we rotate the tires at 5,000 miles" ~ I tell him to leave the tires where they are and the the car has only 1,000 miles on it and I only want an oil/filter change. Okay, he puts back on the lug nuts & center caps. He procedes to put her up on the lift. For reasons UNknown to me, the back trunk is open! The car is going up, up, up and the open trunk lid is getting close to the overhead florescent light, with less than a foot to go, Sandy yells STOP, the trunk lid is gonna hit the light! He stops her immediately, and says "Thanks!" ~
I leave the shop area to return to the service desk area, and promptly get told by "Mr. New" that I am not allowed in there. {But wait....I've been allowed in there since you were kicking your crib's bars, is what I was thinking.....but said nothing. I rob a full set 2004 sales brochures and nearly choak down the gigantic 1 pound bagel.
Shortly, and more nervous than ever, I return to the shop. greenKIN is all done, and still on lift, tech is doing the paperwork. (It's no charge for 4 years for anything - but paperwork still has to be done). Tech, now in car getting ready to back off lift, but accidentally inches forward, bumping front bumper into metal piece. Sick at this I leave him be and he gets it off. Outside now, I look at it. It's got a 2" perfectly vertical scratch on the fascia of the front bumper. It's a light scratch, like only in the clearcoat. Blood pressure is allready at 170 over 90 so I say nothing & leave for the 9 mile ride home. At home, I worked on it for 30 minutes, using my super great home remedies and removed it perfectly after 30 minutes of REAL work. Combination of Vanilla Extract (food stuff), Safety Kleen (brand) hand glaze, finely crushed - to power - consistency of pure chalk-board CHALK, and Q-tips and finally my Sovereign by Pinnacle wax.
These two new guys gotta go. The sooner the better. I give them 1 month from today, or November 17th.
Had it been my first experience at Maplecrest - I'd never go back, but I am in my 18th year there, & I've seen their type come and go over the years, but NEVER 2 at the same time!! Geeez :(
 
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I hope you will let the Maplecrest owner know in no uncertain terms about these guys. Ford/Lincoln is really shooting themselves in the foot trying to cut costs by forcing dealers to hire flunkies because of labor cut times. Read this about how one consultant is recommending dealers get techs:

http://www.dealersedge.com/dailybriefings/FA/index2.html?06SM.htm&2

Quote from above article: "When unemployment is below 5%, you begin hiring the unemployable."

John
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'97 Mark VIII LSC
'96 T-Bird 4.6L
 
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I got three guys fired at the ford dealership I bought my mark from.

Guy #1) Mexican in ReCon- Night of delivery, he pressure washes the engine and frys the ignition system. I swear is still hasn't been right since the test drive... He had been there 2 months and I was the third car he messed up. At $150 per coil, sparkplugs and my tougne lashing to the management, he wasn't worth their time anymore.

Guy #2) Serivce Writer- I had developed a fuel leak. I brought to the garage, service wroter told me I would need new fuel delivery hoses and a fuel filter. Whatever, had it done, got the car back, still leaked. Decided to check it myslef, and in the old filter hose, connected to the old fuel filter I find this:

http://www.mark8.org/users/kev415/fuelo1.jpg

That guy was firsed and I got my money back, I was going to try and get more from them, but I didnt have the time to bother with it....

Guy #3) Grease Monkey- Caught him on VIDEO doing burnouts in my car behind the dealership, while it was in to have the fuel leak 'fixed'. He claimed it was necessary examinations and that I was over reacting. After management saw the tape, they didnt think it was very necesary either. I got them to pay for a set of tires and a brake job, to be done at another Ford garage.
 
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Sandy what ever happened to the guy who served the silver McLaren, you were not happy with him, said he would not last?
 
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Im sorry but what the hell is in that hose.

For everyone that hasnt changed their Fuel Filter (or just hasnt looked inside the connector...) This is what it SHOULD NOT look like. There are 2 o-rings in there. There is on the is sunken down about 6-8mm below the top lip recessed into the wall of the connector, that is in there as it should be. As for the big green thing piled into the top, there should be an o-ring there that sits very nicely on that top lip. However, after pulling it apart and reading the manual myslef, I was able to figure out that the O-Ring that your friendly ASE Certified monkeys put in was 4, yes FOUR SIZES TOO BIG!! Since it was all bunched up like that, it created a gap and let gas piss al over the place.
 
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He lasted 9 days after he & I first met.

This new joker is much worse! His work stall is the one immediately oppisite the glass window divider between service write up & the shop, or #1. Avoid him like the devil. It seems like (I have no secret info) but it just seems like the good guys are all being sent up to Summit location one-by-one and they are merely hiring arms & legs in Union. Lots of people have jumped ship. I "found" one even over at the Chrysler/Jeep store where Matt's Cherokee hails from!
 
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Sandy,

Stop being such a dick. As far as I'm concerned, you're half the problem. 1) Maybe you "shook up" the new tech guy when YOU went in there and asked him what he was doing with your tires. The tech does what he is told by the service manager/adviser. I'm sure he was doing what he was told, and didn't decide on his own to pull the tires off. You should have left this guy alone and went straight to the service manager and told him your concerns. How would you feel if some stranger came in and told you how to properly wax your McClaren or something?? I'm sure you'd be ruffled, to say the least. 2) And the guy did the right thing telling you to get out of the service area. Sure, you've been in there before, but this guy is also following what HE was told. NO ONE allowed in the shop area. Period. Huge liability issue...even moreso with new techs running around. What makes you think you're so special?? You think liability rules/laws don't apply to you because you've been there 18 years? You think they told the guy the rules and then said "Everyone follows these rules...OH, except for Sandy Block. He can come and go as he pleases in the garage." Give me a break. 3) The tech that damaged your car made a MISTAKE. People DO make mistakes, and generally they learn from them. I bet he will double check to make sure trunks are closed and obstructions are clear from cars from now on. How did you get to become such a master at detailing cars? Luck? Natural talent? I think it has LOTS to do with trial and error, and learning from your "buffing compound recipes" that didn't work. Your skill is from many years of testing and getting it right. I'm sure you've also made a few "wrongs" too. And what about your boy, Matt? What if he got fired from his first job right out of school? Would you tell him "Son, it serves you right. Afterall, you did make a mistake." Or would you disown him and write him out of the will if HE scratched Jeepers or Greenkin? Please. People make mistakes. People have bad days at work. Even me. I am exceptionally skilled at what I do. In the industry and at the College where I teach, my skill is respected and known. Last week, I made a $1000 mistake in the blink of an eye. My half a second error cost us $1000. (you'll be pleased to know it was on a Japanese part.. :) ) So get off of your high-horse, and stop acting so self-important. You've been blessed with 18 years of exceptional service. Mistakes happen, and this was one of them...except this time it happened to you. Deal with it. Be glad for your 18 years of good service, and accept the fact that stuff happens. Get over it....
 
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Ron, there is a big sign there that says customers are not allowed in the service area. :p
 
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Ron, I will not dignify your comment with a reply, nor stoop to your level of childish name calling.
 
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"Ron, I will not dignify your comment with a reply, nor stoop to your level of childish name calling." TRANSLATION: Ron, you are right. Thanks for putting me in my place. :)


Was it the name "dick" that pushed it over the edge??? LOL I should have candy-coated it with "weenie". LOL :)
 
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So, I should have stayed behind the glass door, and continued to watch the trunk smash into the overhead lighting and said nothing? The Service guys were all over at the snack wagon getting snacks, there was no one to tell - to tell him not to remove the tires, except I. I did not really go into the service area, as it was stall #1 - just outside the air conditioned serv. desk area. I actually only opened the door, and did not physically go into the area.

You cannot comment as you were not there. Yes, I agree with your comment on the "mistake" of hitting the metal. It was a combination of everything that he did (or tried to do) or almost did (trunk - vs- light). Had I actually done something wrong, really wrong, they would have told me.

As far as "being special" there, yes....fact is.....I am. I am the only non payroll person invited to the annual party in December and given a gift and treated as "one of them" ~
 
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In all seriousness though...what's the worst that would have happened if he took all 4 tires off?? Oh the humanity!! LOL Obviously, telling him to stop WAS a good idea. But think from his perspective...."Who is this lunatic??" LOL As far as being special, I know you are a special customer, but special or not, if something falls off a lift and bangs you in the head, you are going to be "special" (maybe dead?) no matter what your credentials are. Again..I know it sucks, but what if this kid was Matt? You'd be giving him a talking to, and not asking for his head on a platter. Just re-read your original post. I mean, by the tone in your letter it sounds like MapleCrest shouldn't be allowed to hire anyone new unless they call you first!! LOL... You know the old adage: If you want it done right, do it yourself. If you can't do it yourself, you have to live with it.

Imagining you go to MapleCrest only 4 times a year that would be 18x4=72 service visits. 71 good visits, 1 bad vist = 98.6% good trips. If everything in our lives were as good as your MapleCrest visits, the world would be a good place. Out of curiosity, how many times have you been to MapleCrest for service in 18 years??
 
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Yes, in reality, it was the service manager's fault. I told him only an oil change & filter & he is the one who insisted on a 5,000 mile service, and I corrected him, by tellig him that I only have 1,000 miles and only want an oil change & filter. HE did indicate to me that he understood, but then went ahead & wrote down 5,000 service, so yes, the tech was, as you said, following HIS orders, but HIS orders were not my request. Therein was the groundwork for the trouble.
I cannot begin to even estimate how many times I have been there, it's impossible. It all began when Chrysler stopped making the Imperial and my parents switched to Lincoln, well, for one Lincoln, anyhow. That was 1983. So, like 20 years or so.

Now, g'night, I am going to sleep. We can continue this at 8:00AM :)
 
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No, no , no..not visits just to swipe free donuts, but a SERVICE visit. Surely you have every record, if I know you correctly... :)
 
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Those two are probably the best ford service employess I've ever heard about.

The ones who worked on the two cars I bought make them look like rocket scientists. One car still has dents in the roof and rear quarter panel, as well as a mangled interior from the last guy who worked on it.

No one should wonder why Ford has a bad rep when guys like that work for their dealers.

Sorry that happened, Sandy. I hope you do let the management know. Its a shame they are letting the place go down hill.

Scott
 
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Tough one there Sandy. But yea, you need to let those kunckleheads know what happened.
I like to stick to my theory -- the bigger the place the less competent they are when it comes to automotive repair. I'll stick with my little hole-in-wall mechanic who works by appointment on Saturday.
 
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I would be afraid, especially with the quality Sandy has gotten there in the past. My own experience in Arlington, TX has not been horrible, but it makes it so easy to see why no one wants a Lincoln anymore (aside from the lacking product line). The dealership I go to looks really nice when you pull up, the service manager is friendly. But the first oil change I got there took a solid two hours. They have a window into the service bay. You could count maybe twenty cars up on lifts, and maybe two techs at any one time. The second time, it took longer they raised my car with the trunk up, the steering wheel was oily when I got the car back. I made the mistake of allowing them to rotate the tires for $15, it sat there on the lift with the wheels loosened for a good hour. As soon as I was going down the road I noticed vibration. A few days later I checked it and sure enough, the dork didn't line up the painted lug with the tire valve. As you guys know, this does make a difference and techs in a dealership should be aware of such procedures. There are no magazines to read, the TV plays Judge Judy, there are dead roaches in the middle of the floor. It is just not a pleasant way to spend two hours.

All of this could be easily remedied with adept management, and maybe some tweaking to the techs labor rates. The weird thing is, I thought they always did rush jobs because they only get paid a certain rate for any job, and if it took them longer they didn't make any more for it. When they take longer to do something on my car than it would take me with a jack and stands in my apt parking lot, and they have a lift and all the tools in the world, you have to wonder.
 
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Sandy,

I'm sorry that you had such a horrifying experience. I know first-hand how persnickety you are about your beautiful collection of cars. Any competent service manager would have recognized that immediately when you came in for an unscheduled oil change in your beautiful, immaculate Greenkin especially after he questioned the logic of your untimely visit.

I just went over the complete collection of service tickets that you gave me when I bought Winkin. It seems that the only thing that is possibly worn out on Winkin is the oil plug. What an outstanding job you did in maintaining this car!

I know exactly how you feel when you find out that new (to you) technicians are working on your car. You, too, have to break them in. Selfishly, I don't mind if they think that I'm a pain... I'd far rather have them mutter about me than have to suffer the time and trauma to repair the damage that they frequently do to cars. Just like you, I don't want them to do anything that I didn't authorize, and I want them to do everything that I authorized to perfection. It's their job, and I'm paying them to listen to me and to do what I say.

Accidents will happen. Therefore, I want them to be careful around my property. I personally have had my wheels damaged (not on Winkin!) by incompetent, lazy, careless mechanics. They rarely torque the lugs properly unless you personally tell the mechanic and then tip him/her.

Keep up the vigilance! Do what you have to do to let them know that it is to their advantage to be careful when handling your car or they will not know that you truly are special.

Similarly to the conversations that we have here on this message board, righteous indignation has its moments. There's no need for name calling, and there's no place in fruitful negotiations for foul language. I am surprised that you didn't complain about the damage on the bumper, even if only to report it for a possible future claim. But... then again... if you did, and the service manager didn't respond well, there may have been a regretful exchange.
 
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