Hemi Engines?

johnaec

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Can someone educate me on how a "hemi" engine is better then a "pentroof" engine? As I understand it, both the SOHC and DOHC 4.6L Fords are pentroof, (flat inverted V shape top of chamber). While I can see how a hemi engine might give smoother combustion with its "rounded" chamber shape, is there really any significant advantage? Are the valves "dished" to match the curvature, etc.? Does this even make a difference?

I'm just trying to understand why Dodge makes such a big deal about "hemi" engines, especially since you can't even go to four valves in them.

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RE: Hemi Engines?

Speaking of Hemi... did you see My Classic Car on TV today? Jay Leno had a hot rod powered by a V12, 990 HP, 1250 lb. torque, Hemi tank engine. This thing was mean!
 
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This is juts a MARKETING ploy. This new "hemi" is fake, and in fact is a pent-roof design. It is not a true hemipherical head. As you said, it would be nearly impossible to have a true 4 valve hemi head. The valve angles in a 4 valve hemi head would be insane, and very difficlut to design and make efficient.
 
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Even the origional 426 Hemi was not a true Hemispherical combustion chamber from what I have heard. From what i have read the Boss 429 was the only true hemispherical combustion chamber. Anyone else know of any other true hemi heads?

And yea word "HEMI" is selling trucks. Just marketing.
 
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Perhaps way back in the 1955/56 era, there was a Chrysler engine....I think maybe the 400 something cu in that was the first of the (true) hemisperphical chambered engines. After that....I don't know. But that was the first "hemi" that I knew of. Was in the first of the "300" Chrysler with letter after the 300.

Sandy...what do you remember about those?

I had a '55 Chrysler Windsor, but it had the 355 cu in engine...not a hemi. But future wife drove a '54 Dodge with the hemi in it. Remember I had to use all the socket extentions I owned to change spark plugs!!! If it wasn't for the "fluid drive" semi-automatic transmission, that thing would fly! Would take forever to get to speed, but when it did, there wasn't an end to the speedometer!



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RE: Hemi Engines?

The 426 WAS a true Hemi design. Hence the name. otherwise, since Chrysler was the first to use it in production vehicles, they would have named it something else. In fact, they almost didnt use the word Hemi-it wasnt "catchy enough" for them back then.

When Ford came out with the BOSS 429, it too used a hemisphericle design combustion chamber, but since MOPAR had the "dibs" on the word Hemi, Ford had to call their motor a "crescent" design.

There are many different parts of an engine's design that control the amount of power you can extract from each combustion stroke. For example:
You want to burn all of the gas in the cylinder. If the design leaves any of the gas unburned, that is untapped energy.
You want the maximum cylinder pressure to occur when the crankshaft is at the right angle, so that you extract all of the energy from the pressure.
You want to waste as little of the engine's energy as possible sucking air and fuel into the combustion chamber and pushing exhaust out.
You want to lose as little heat as possible to the heads and the cylinder walls. Heat is one of the things creating pressure in the cylinder, so lost heat means lower peak pressures.
The last item in the list is one of the key advantages of the HEMI head versus the flathead engine. Surface area causes heat loss. Fuel that is near the head walls may be so cool that it does not burn efficiently. With a flat head, the amount of surface area relative to volume of the combustion chamber is large. In a HEMI engine, the surface area is much smaller than in a flat head, so less heat escapes and peak pressure can be higher.
Another factor with a HEMI head is the size of the valves. Since the valves are on opposite sides of the head, there is more room for valves. The engine design that preceded the HEMI was a wedge-shaped combustion chamber with the valves in line with each other. The inline arrangement limited valve size. In a HEMI engine, valves can be large so the airflow through the engine is improved.

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Back in the old days, the "flat head" did refer to that. But in modern venues, conventional head designs are also refered to as "flat" when compared to hemispherical cumbustion chambers.

A "wedge" consists of 2 "flat" surfaces. Therefore, a "wedge" design head is refered to nowadays as a "flat design".



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Craig, some of the things you say... GIVE ME CHILLS.

Sears point.....
knotts berry farm......

BOSS 429!!!!

Here's my perfect day.
stop by knott's berry farm, pick up a pristine boss 429 go to sears point and make a 14 second pass!
{LMAO}
Of course I wouldn't RING the BOSSES neck, I'd baby it out of the hole.. so..a 14 is probably all it would do.

Then, I'd DIE a happy and satisfied man!
 
RE: Hemi Engines?

It's pretty sad when more import cars are made in America than American cars. It's becoming more common everyday. I live in Cleveland, and Honda is the largest manufacturer in Ohio.... American jobs at least.
 
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