Road Rage

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man this is one crazy thread. shooting people over driving habits?

people get VERY TWISTED when they are in their cars on the road. Every slight, every frustration they ever had in their life seems to come out of them once they are behind the wheel.

look, here is my advice. put the gun away. leave the dope alone. you dont need to prove your manhood against some crazy nutcase who is somehow offended by your driving.

we have beautiful cars here and fixing them up and driving them is what it is all about. i would not go wading into other peoples serious psycho problems on the road. just let them go, you dont have to even the score or equalize anything. dont put yourself at their level.
 
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Dave,

So let me get this straight. You DON'T want to fight the guy, cause you don't want to go to jail. But you'd have had no problem shooting him or drawing on him? I live near Detroit, and have frequently heard about Detroiters/Michiganders getting ARRESTED and CHARGED after shooting someone who had broken into their OWN homes! What makes you think if you shot this SMALLER guy than you, that you wouldn't get charged? Or spend the day in jail? I hear even though thre letter of the law says you CAN shoot people, they scrutinze the situation very carefully, and frequently charges are laid anyways. The next problem I think about is, what if you HAD put your gun on your dash? And the hillbilly beside you ALSO had a CCP. And he sees your gun on the dash and determines you "pulled" your gun on him and starts blasting. I know you have heard similar stories about people having gun battles on the highways because of this. I always found it perplexing that people are so brave behind guns. Surely if you have the stones to shoot a guy, you must have the stones to throw down with him. I'm a former kickboxer/judo guy, and I've been beaten up before, and I've beaten people up too. But I always managed to go home in one piece. A black eye or busted face heals. A bullet in the head does not. What would even be worse, is if you did shoot the guy, and the courts ruled in his favor and you had to go to the bighouse beacsue of HIM. That would be worse than getting a Liverpool Kiss. (headbutt in the face).

Here's what I'd recommend to you:

1) You aren't a very small dude, so 1 month or 2 in Judo class or boxing, or Jiu-Jitsu, and that weenie would have been hip-tossed/knocked out/chocked into submission.

2)It's legal in MI to carry pepper spray. Can you have pepper spray in your car? I used to keep a bit with me even thought it is illegal for us to use it for self-defense. We can use it to repel dogs, however. (wink, wink)

3) I did this one before. It is VERY effective. I carried a slingshot in my car with marbles. Trust me. 250lbs guys hit in the forehead with a marble go down like a ton of bricks.

4) But this is my all-time favorite. Weighted gloves. They look like driving gloves, but have 8 ounces of powdered lead sewn into the knuckles area. They even make cut-off finger ones. Some are lined with Kevlar to fend off knives. Back when I was shrimpy,(148lbs fighting shape), although I could outstrike or outbox you, I didn't have the power to really knock someone silly. This all changed with these gloves. Although I've ever only hit 2 people with gloves of this sort, the results were astounding. Keep in mind I was under 150 pounds both times. One punch from the shrimpy me put 2 guys out who were over 200 pounds. One of them was with a body shot!! I actually felt his rib give way and snap. It was the only time in my life, fighting career or otherwise, that I have ever KO'd someone with a body shot. And he outweighed me by 50lbs at least. So after a solid punch with one of these, and you would not have to stomp or pulverize anyone. 1 punch knockout. These are effective, and cheap self defense. You have to try them. They are impressive. If you need help finding a pair, let me know. Hope this helps.
 
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If i had the gun first time around i would have set it on my dash. I never would have thought about shooting him, since i still had the option to drive away. And 99.9% of the time if you set a gun on the dash, the other person is going to drive away. They're not going to shoot you even if they do have a CCW. And most people i know who carry a gun legally wouldn't be starting crap over some traffic crap anyway. But the bottom line is that i tried to drive away, he tried to run me off the road and assault me, so it would have been in my best interest if he knew from the get-go that he wasn't getting anywhere if he tried to beat me up.

Second time around, he accosted me unexpectedly at a gas station. He had me pretty much cornered. And i was not about to fight him. I would have pointed a gun at his head at that point, if i had it with me, and i would say i would have been justified. I would hope with all my heart that i would never have to shoot him, but if he forced me to, i would. He was shorter than me, but i haven't been in a fight since high school, and not a drag-down knock out fight since elementary school. I'm not about to throw down with some a-hole i meet on the street, how do i know he isn't some ultimate fighting champion? I'm a frickin' engineer. I sit at a desk all day. I am a wuss. I'm not about to fight some guy on the street. If some hockey player can get his neck broken by one hit, i'm not going to screw around with someone who thinks he's hot stuff enough to get in my face and challenge me to a fight.

Adam (flamark), if you were off-duty, and someone tried to assault you at a gas station, what would you do?
 
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I'm not going to say you did right or wrong.

I'll tell you what I would do If I was in your shoes though.

First things first,If someone tries to run me off the road I'm going to get their plate number right then and there.But if someone gets in my face at a gas station like that I'm either going to
A. Back up out of striking distance or
B. Strike him when I feel threatened.

I would probably back up a little and if he kept getting closer I would have hit him right square in his nose.You dont know how many big guys I have seen start crying when hit in the nose.If that doesn't have the desired result I would do my best to kick the crap out of him untill I feel there is no more threat.
 
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Right,If I was a wuss that cant fight and I call you out, I'll hit you with a pool cue and break your elbow so you have to replace the bone through surgery and keep you out of work for two months.
 
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Well, since you asked, I would have apologized and walked away. I would have told the guy what he wanted to hear and told him that I want no trouble. I dont believe in violence. Fighting is always a last resort for me. I once heard a wise man say "he who cant think, fights". When I am off duty I very rarely carry a weapon. I have this strange ability to see problems ahead of time and avoid them. Did you notice when we met at hooters that at times it appeared that I was spacing out or not listening. I was listening, but paying close attention to my surroundings. Had you been paying closer attention to your surroundings you probably would have noticed him outside. Example: when I stop in at a convenience store I always park on the side of the building. As I approach from the side I look at the clerk and the store to see what is happening. Nobody knows I am there, but I can see everybody inside. I have the upper hand and the ability to act accordingly.

What you did was the worst possible thing. Any video footage would have shown you acting in an aggressive manner. How would you be able to claim self defense when you are standing there yelling back at him. Even on duty, you wont see me yelling at somebody before I put them down. You will see me raise my hand's face high with open palms almost with a look of "please dont hurt me". Then you will hear me say very loudly "I want no trouble". Perception is everything.

Police Motto: Be Polite. Be Courteous. Have a plan to hug everyone you meet.
 
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Dave,

Running away work good too. Have tried it a few times myself and it works well!! :)
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Yes it does, but no so well if you leave your car there with the keys in it. Plus i always feel like such a (edit) if i run away.
 
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Yes it does, but no so well if you leave your car there with the keys in it. Plus i always feel like such a (edit) if i run away.

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I agree.If you run you look like a wuss.But no more a wuss then getting head butted and doing nothing in return.J/K Sorry Dave I had to.

P.S. Hows the car running?
 
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Yea i know, i felt like a real (edit) after that. But if i let him provoke me into a fight nothing good would have come of it. And it's not like he hit me hard enough to do any damage, i was like "uh, did he just hit me?". I prefer to look at it this way: i walked away, so i'm the bigger man. If i'd run away, i'd have been a little girl. But it would have felt oh so good to put him in his place, and make him think twice the next time he wants to assault some other driver.

Cars running good, but not the truck! My tires are coming in tomorrow. I still need to do something about the tune too. I'm either going to get an SCT chip or just ante up for the SCT pro racer package. My blazer lost the fuel pump this weekend, which i replaced the easy way (hole through the floor board). Doing brakes on it right now. Should be 100% again after that, 200k miles last week.
 
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Well..... 2 weeks at Rahway Chevrolet, back in 1971. Working there was similiar to being in the above picture! Does that count?
 
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Dave, don't let these guys give you crap. It's real easy being an armchair quarterback and telling someone what you SHOULD have done. No one knows for sure what they would have done until they're faced with it.
 
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So you want you know about a road rage incident? My 67 year old father, who was a retired engineer and didn't have so much as a traffic ticket, (but was known to drink a few beers before driving home on occasion) got into a rode rage thing a couple of years ago. My dad had a carry permit, and did have a gun in a gun case in his van.

He and some guy just about collided, and then did the flipping each other off thing. The other guy started following my dad, who then drove around the neighborhood rather than going home because he didn't want the scuzzy-looking guy in a POS car to know where he lived. He finally got a testosterone rush and decided to confront the guy. When he stopped, he put his gun in the back of his pants while getting out of his van. The guy saw this and backed up. The guy also was on a cell phone to the police, and probably had been. My dad got back in the van and started to drive home when he was stopped by the police. They arrested him and charged him with DUI, (he blew a .08, the minimum in OK) and also "carrying a firearm while intoxicated" and a felony charge of "pointing a firearm." He swears he never pointed the gun at the guy, and I believe him because the guy claims that he pointed it out the window of his van like they do in the gangsta movies, which whouldn't be my dad's style, (he is a national target champion and treats a gun with more respect than that) but mainly because the guy described the gun completely wrong. He said it was a "silver handgun" (rather vague) when the gun was actually a matte black colt 45. This color descrepency was in the police report, but the officers ignored it and charged him with a felony. Dad spent a whole day in jail and had to make a $30,000 bond to get out. He was considered a "big man" in the jail when the judge gave him that high of a bond. All the gang-bangers and dopers were really impressed, especially when his wife was able to make bail.

In Tulsa they treat all gun crimes as a felony. Since my dad was a respectable citizen who could afford an attorney, he was out thousands of dollars in attorney fees just to get through the preliminary hearing. He ended up pleading guilty to a deferred sentance because his attorney said it would cost $15,000 to go to trial.

And to add insult to injury, he had to pay an additional fine to the concealed carry permit people for violating the rules of the concealed carry laws...

Yeah, he shouldn't have been drinking and driving. And he should have gone home instead of eventually confronting the guy. I am disgusted by the Tulsa officer who threw the book at him though, especially since the "victim" did have a criminal record (as compared to my dad) and wrongly described the gun. I think the officer should have used a little more discretion. He could have made all the charges misdemeanors instead of making the one a felony, especially since my dad had no prior record.

Just thought you might like to see the real life outcome of mixing a gun, beer and testosterone.
 
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