Big Brother #3
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RE: Big Brother #3
If there are safeguards in place to keep the info from being used for other purposes then it's not a bad idea. It's not too differrent than a cop sitting behind a billboard running plates that go by, just more efficient.
What I don't like is the possibility that the info can be used for other purposes, that a divorce or cilvil court could get the records to see if someone was in the area.
If there are safeguards in place to keep the info from being used for other purposes then it's not a bad idea. It's not too differrent than a cop sitting behind a billboard running plates that go by, just more efficient.
What I don't like is the possibility that the info can be used for other purposes, that a divorce or cilvil court could get the records to see if someone was in the area.
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Why only the wealthy area? Seems like you would be able to catch more criminals in a poorer neighborhood. Do theives steal cars and then take them to wealthy areas? Do burglars drive back to their gated communities after robbing a home? It seems like the priority is to take care of those who can take care of you. Kinda sucks IMO. I think they're doing it wrong.
Why only the wealthy area? Seems like you would be able to catch more criminals in a poorer neighborhood. Do theives steal cars and then take them to wealthy areas? Do burglars drive back to their gated communities after robbing a home? It seems like the priority is to take care of those who can take care of you. Kinda sucks IMO. I think they're doing it wrong.
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Sounds to me like Manalpan, Florida can afford it and the "poorer" areas can't.
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Sounds to me like Manalpan, Florida can afford it and the "poorer" areas can't.
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I don't give a damn how many criminals it catches, that kind of "enforcement" is wrong. If you want to know why, just do a little research on the LEIN (Law Enforcement Information Network). There have been some massive abuses of that system. For example disgruntled policemen using the system to get personal info in order to stalk and or threaten their ex's and lovers. When you put this kind of information into the hands of the police, there's bound to be abuse.
It won't be long before we have telescreens in our rooms and have to stand up for the 3 minute hate every afternoon.
I don't give a damn how many criminals it catches, that kind of "enforcement" is wrong. If you want to know why, just do a little research on the LEIN (Law Enforcement Information Network). There have been some massive abuses of that system. For example disgruntled policemen using the system to get personal info in order to stalk and or threaten their ex's and lovers. When you put this kind of information into the hands of the police, there's bound to be abuse.
It won't be long before we have telescreens in our rooms and have to stand up for the 3 minute hate every afternoon.
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When this great country of ours was being created our Forefathers wanted freedom. Do you know what they wanted freedom from? Freedom...Freedom from government intrusion, that’s what freedom means.
This is completely wrong, and it is an intrusion of the government. These are the types of statutes and local ordinances that create corrupt departments. Everyone thinks that they can do whatever they want with no repercussion. Cops run plates all the time but that doesn't mean it right.
And let's say someone did drive through that community, and that person had committed a felonious act in the past, then what? That individual has already been prosecuted by the U.S. justice system and justice WAS SEVRVED! Now he is subject to further prosecution by being harassed, and surveillance by this town, which is likely to be, predominantly upper class, white conservatives.
NO,NONONONONONONONO.
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When this great country of ours was being created our Forefathers wanted freedom. Do you know what they wanted freedom from? Freedom...Freedom from government intrusion, that’s what freedom means.
This is completely wrong, and it is an intrusion of the government. These are the types of statutes and local ordinances that create corrupt departments. Everyone thinks that they can do whatever they want with no repercussion. Cops run plates all the time but that doesn't mean it right.
And let's say someone did drive through that community, and that person had committed a felonious act in the past, then what? That individual has already been prosecuted by the U.S. justice system and justice WAS SEVRVED! Now he is subject to further prosecution by being harassed, and surveillance by this town, which is likely to be, predominantly upper class, white conservatives.
NO,NONONONONONONONO.
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Most of us also want to be from crime and that's what we expect our elected officials to do for us.
And as far as running plates, what's wrong with that if it's used to catch criminal scofflaws?
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Most of us also want to be from crime and that's what we expect our elected officials to do for us.
And as far as running plates, what's wrong with that if it's used to catch criminal scofflaws?
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Cops don't run the plates of white people in BMW's.
Cops run the plates of minorities in luxury cars!
It is also called racial profiling
You honestly believe that they are going to run the plates of cars that cost 80+K. They are going to use this to run the plates of people they do not want in "THEIR" town and they will look for any excuse to get them(poor/minorities) out. Don't get me wrong I'm no hippie, I'm all for locking up criminals, but come on, cant you see what's going on.
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Cops don't run the plates of white people in BMW's.
Cops run the plates of minorities in luxury cars!
It is also called racial profiling
You honestly believe that they are going to run the plates of cars that cost 80+K. They are going to use this to run the plates of people they do not want in "THEIR" town and they will look for any excuse to get them(poor/minorities) out. Don't get me wrong I'm no hippie, I'm all for locking up criminals, but come on, cant you see what's going on.
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This new system will run the plates and photograph the driver of EVERY car, even rich white conservitaves. The Supreme Court has decided that a person has no right to expect privacy while driving on a public highway. This could be useful in fighting crime but also could be used for blackmail, etc (picture of the mayor's wife riding with the police chief). If the data is part of a network then hackers will likely have access to it.
This new system will run the plates and photograph the driver of EVERY car, even rich white conservitaves. The Supreme Court has decided that a person has no right to expect privacy while driving on a public highway. This could be useful in fighting crime but also could be used for blackmail, etc (picture of the mayor's wife riding with the police chief). If the data is part of a network then hackers will likely have access to it.
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You are absolutely right, a person cannot except to have full privacy in vehicle on a public road. That's why people cannot have sex or expose themselves in a vehicle, privacy of a house is a completely different story.
There has to be more to this story then what we are getting. If there are no other obligations/task that have to be performed before this system is in effect, then this community is already corrupt.
California Supreme Court has ruled that the DUI checkpoints are a violation of the 4th amendment. It is against the law for any city in California to set up these checkpoints, yet there is at least one every month in my town. That is because there are stringent guile lines a city must take in order to legally have a checkpoint. First of all they must publish the date, time and location of the checkpoint in the newspaper. The vehicle can only be stopped for a few seconds and the officers must decide whether to let the vehicle pass or to detain the vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion. There are more things involved but I forget. The reasoning behind this is that there is MINIMAl government intrusion, and that the SIGNIFICANT safety the checkpoint provides for the community justifies the violation of the 4th amendment.
I do not understand the reasoning behind the plates, what justifies it?
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You are absolutely right, a person cannot except to have full privacy in vehicle on a public road. That's why people cannot have sex or expose themselves in a vehicle, privacy of a house is a completely different story.
There has to be more to this story then what we are getting. If there are no other obligations/task that have to be performed before this system is in effect, then this community is already corrupt.
California Supreme Court has ruled that the DUI checkpoints are a violation of the 4th amendment. It is against the law for any city in California to set up these checkpoints, yet there is at least one every month in my town. That is because there are stringent guile lines a city must take in order to legally have a checkpoint. First of all they must publish the date, time and location of the checkpoint in the newspaper. The vehicle can only be stopped for a few seconds and the officers must decide whether to let the vehicle pass or to detain the vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion. There are more things involved but I forget. The reasoning behind this is that there is MINIMAl government intrusion, and that the SIGNIFICANT safety the checkpoint provides for the community justifies the violation of the 4th amendment.
I do not understand the reasoning behind the plates, what justifies it?
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[link:www.post-gazette.com/pg/04014/261225.stm|The Supreme Court Says]
[link:www.post-gazette.com/pg/04014/261225.stm|And This]
I'm against this.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I guess because there were no cars when the Constitution was written, THIS Supreme Court doesn't get it.
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[link:www.post-gazette.com/pg/04014/261225.stm|The Supreme Court Says]
[link:www.post-gazette.com/pg/04014/261225.stm|And This]
I'm against this.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I guess because there were no cars when the Constitution was written, THIS Supreme Court doesn't get it.
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Are you against checkpoints? I am for them and this is why. The degree to which these checkpoints violate the 4th amendment (yes they do violate the 4th) is minimal compared to the safety it offers for the innocent people commuting on public roads.
I do not agree with the reasoning used.
[i/]"The relevant public concern was grave," Breyer wrote. "Police were investigating a crime that had resulted in a human death. No one denies the police's need to obtain more information at that time. And the stop's objective was to help find the perpetrator of a specific and known crime, not of unknown crimes of a general sort. The stop advanced this grave public concern to a significant degree."
Breyer said, the checkpoint that snared Robert Lidster "was not to determine whether a vehicle's occupants were committing a crime, but to ask [the] vehicle's occupants, as members of the public, for their help in providing information about a crime in all likelihood committed by others.[/i]
This is a POOR!! excuse in trying to justify an intrusion, even if it is just a minimal intrusion. How can I read this and possibly believe that this is an EFFICIENT way to solve any crime, let alone the crime of a hit and run that happened a week prior to the checkpoint. The likely hood that such an intrusion would identify an individual or divulge substantial evidence or any evidence at all by an eyewitness is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUSE.
[i/]In a partial dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens, joined y Justices David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, agreed that the two kinds of checkpoints required a different constitutional analysis. But Stevens rejected Breyer's finding that the checkpoint was reasonable.[/i]
Stevens known what’s up
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Are you against checkpoints? I am for them and this is why. The degree to which these checkpoints violate the 4th amendment (yes they do violate the 4th) is minimal compared to the safety it offers for the innocent people commuting on public roads.
I do not agree with the reasoning used.
[i/]"The relevant public concern was grave," Breyer wrote. "Police were investigating a crime that had resulted in a human death. No one denies the police's need to obtain more information at that time. And the stop's objective was to help find the perpetrator of a specific and known crime, not of unknown crimes of a general sort. The stop advanced this grave public concern to a significant degree."
Breyer said, the checkpoint that snared Robert Lidster "was not to determine whether a vehicle's occupants were committing a crime, but to ask [the] vehicle's occupants, as members of the public, for their help in providing information about a crime in all likelihood committed by others.[/i]
This is a POOR!! excuse in trying to justify an intrusion, even if it is just a minimal intrusion. How can I read this and possibly believe that this is an EFFICIENT way to solve any crime, let alone the crime of a hit and run that happened a week prior to the checkpoint. The likely hood that such an intrusion would identify an individual or divulge substantial evidence or any evidence at all by an eyewitness is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUSE.
[i/]In a partial dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens, joined y Justices David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, agreed that the two kinds of checkpoints required a different constitutional analysis. But Stevens rejected Breyer's finding that the checkpoint was reasonable.[/i]
Stevens known what’s up
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Just one little step twords the new world order..one right andliberty taken away at a time till were under total controll. To hell with the Patriot act too. Read the fine lines. police are doing a good enough job of apprehending criminals and dont need this invasive system. Theve been doing it for years the old fashioned way..investigating and common sense..they dont need this.
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Just one little step twords the new world order..one right andliberty taken away at a time till were under total controll. To hell with the Patriot act too. Read the fine lines. police are doing a good enough job of apprehending criminals and dont need this invasive system. Theve been doing it for years the old fashioned way..investigating and common sense..they dont need this.
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I don't like it, and I don't like anything about Big Brother in general. Each new system in place just takes us one step closer to total government control. Our country is headed backward rather than forward and the majority of people either don't realize it, or just don't care. It's pretty sad to say the least.
I don't like it, and I don't like anything about Big Brother in general. Each new system in place just takes us one step closer to total government control. Our country is headed backward rather than forward and the majority of people either don't realize it, or just don't care. It's pretty sad to say the least.
RE: Big Brother #3
If you owe money, then pay it!
If you are 100% fair n square with everyone. Then None of this matters. Is it right? No. is it going to make me lose sleep at night? Not one bit. Im an upstanding citizen, i dont commit crimes, nor do i welch on loans or other debts. And the things that i do, do wrong, i take full responsiblity for.
If you owe money, then pay it!
If you are 100% fair n square with everyone. Then None of this matters. Is it right? No. is it going to make me lose sleep at night? Not one bit. Im an upstanding citizen, i dont commit crimes, nor do i welch on loans or other debts. And the things that i do, do wrong, i take full responsiblity for.