Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:PT 1

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Quest For My Mark VIII’s Replacement

PART I


Well, my 160,000 mile 1997 Lincoln Mark VIII (with many mods) has been sold. The car has served me well, but it was time to move into something different. So, I have been looking, reading, researching and test driving MANY cars to find a suitable replacement for the Mark. After coming from the Mark criteria obviously will be pretty high. Reasonably good looking (the Mark wasn’t the prettiest car), a stylish and comfortable interior, very good engine performance, and quiet driving. Car must be loaded with luxury. The overall car will be “near luxury”, “sport luxury” or “pure luxury”. V8 is much preferred, as is rear-wheel drive. Though since the Mark handles only slightly better than a Toyota Camry, FWD cars are not excluded, as long as they meet the other criteria. Let’s face it, if we wanted a car that performed as if on rails, we would not have picked a Mark VIII. We would be going on a 3 day weekend to Toronto, where the cars are cheaper somewhat, to find a replacement for the Mark. My price ceiling is up to $35,000 CDN, and I will be looking at used vehicles. For the amount of mileage I put on (35K plus yearly) a new car doesn’t make sense. So reliability will also factor in. This will be the 1st part of my multi-car test drive.

Let’s begin the odyssey. In an effort to properly “warm up” and also to have a comfy drive for the 3.5 hour trek to Toronto to visit many of the cars, I decided to rent a 2004 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate.

2004 Lincoln Town Car: Ok..with only 400 miles on the clock, this is a brand new car. The Walkaround: Quite a large car, obviously. Lines are smooth, generally pretty pleasing to the eye. Not very modern looking, kinda boring, but a very safe, nice, pleasant styling exercise. You’d be hard pressed to call it “ugly” or “great looking”. It kinda falls in between. The mushy middle, I guess! Some signs of cheapness are evident already. The wheels are cast. The finish is chromed. Sadly, the only part of the wheel that is bright looking is face. The rest of the wheel, between the spokes, is still rough cast while being chromed over. This is obviously an effort to save costs. I noticed it, and wondered if this was a sign of things to come.
The Interior: In short, just terrible!! While the seats are comfy, and the leather nice, and the overall roomy, the interior is so bland and cheap, I can see why Lincoln is struggling. Beautiful wood grain steering wheel….and then you are blasted by the fake wood on the dash. And not much fake wood at that. Oh, and it’s slab sided. Just a big, flat, ugly dash all the way across, with no style. It was difficult to tell the difference between the dash on this and the dash in my dad’s 2001 Crown Vic. A few marks for the light-gold anodized door handles..neato. Analog speedo is simple, easy on the eyes, and a touch elegant. The elegance, however, is ruined by the in-your-face, overly bright (yes, I know you can turn it down) digital display. It is an awful sickly looking very bright Pea Green colour. It is absolutely terrible. Not at all like the nice subdued bluish hue found in the Mark. This green reminds me of the old digital displays found in C4 Vettes or an old digital dash in a Taurus. Not at all becoming to an uber-luxury car. Oh, and more gripes: the interior is too dark. No courtesy lights as found in the Mark VIII for the door handles. I wasn’t fond of the seat controls on the door skin instead of beside the seat. Not a horrible design, just not to my liking, or very intuitive.
The Drive: This is a very quiet car..up to a point. At 40-50MPH, road noise is non-existent. Wind noise is a whisper. Above 50 though, the wind noise is louder than my Mark was. I expected this car to be quieter at highway speeds. Engine is soft, and feels hugely underpowered. Engine is quiet though, and returns great fuel mileage for such a boat. 25MPG at a steady 70MPH. Not too shabby. As expected, “handling” and “Town Car” should never be used in the same sentence. This is a marshmallow on wheels. So soft it is, I thought I’d rub the rocker panel on the road when I tried to push it through a corner. Stereo easy to use, but seems like you have to have the volume at the mid-way point to have a decent sound coming from it. My favorite option was the reverse/back up sensor. It beeps slowly at first, then more quickly as an object is getting closer to your bumper. What a great feature! Wish all cars had this.

Overall: Overall, I found the car cheap. It felt very cheap while inside. If the interior was re-designed with some style and a little flair, and the digital readout ditched, this might be an OK car. But you could tell Lincoln went cheap in many areas, and for the kind of dough they ask for this car brand new ($58,000 base), I could never recommend it. Even used at $17,000CDN for a 1998, this car doesn’t offer very good value. I would never buy one. Scratch the Town Car off the list!!

And so concludes Part I. Please feel free to comment, or add anything. Stay tuned for the next stop when I drop by the Jaguar lot.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

How about saving your pennies for a new redesigned 2005 Mustang GT? Have you seen one of these yet? It sure is a hit on the Autoshow circuit and road tests have been very favourable (best Mustang yet). Spec's are impressive and the engine is a familiar 4.6 litre with a new 3 value configuration (if I'm not mistaken). I still prefer rear wheel drive and assume that a pony like this would be kept in the corral from November 'till April. If you have room in your stable for a winter beater, the new 2005 GT would be one sweet ride and impress the ladies as well.

Just a thought... and some pictures...

http://www.mark8.org/ontario/images/2005_Mustang_GT_Front.jpg

and from the side...
http://www.mark8.org/ontario/images/2005_Mustang_GT_Side.jpg
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

I looked at the Chrysler 300C and it looks like Mercedes has been at work on this one. Pictures just don't do it justice, you need to go see one in person. The interior is definitely Germanesque, the side profile is a little bit Bentleyish, and the front is all Chrysler.

The base model with a V6 start at $23,000 USD, but the dealers are marking them up $5000 over MSRP.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

Ok..2 points:

The 2005 Mustang: I don't think either of us can say with a straight face that the Mustang will be either: a) luxurious b) roomy c) quiet d) and as far as reliable goes...well let's just say it's still a Ford. Ford's service is terrible, awful..just plain bad. Which is reason alone not to buy one. I have horror stories if anyone cares to hear them. In addition, I think the styling is merely "ok". Nothing new or fresh. It's a re-hash of old design..a copy. US automakers always slammed foreign cars for copying..and now they're doing it themselves. Oh..and a couple of the cars I've tested beat the new Mustang in acceleration, comfort, convenience, etc..It's still going to be a live axle pony car. If I wanted a sports car, a used Vette (C5) is a better choice than the 2005 Mustang.

The 300C. A few problems here as well. First is styling..which isn't bad, but isn't good. Next is reliability. Not sure of I can trust Chrysler on this on either. They even had defect in the road tests I read. If Chrysler is willing to offer up a car to a magazine with defects, I shudder to think what I might get. Next is the pricing. It will be fairly cheap. $29,000CDN gets you a nicely equipped car. And that's half the problem. Everybody will be buying them. It won't be a unique or different car. It will be too popular. Everybody will be running around in the economy models, so if I bought one of the flagship models, it would be just another car. There are going to be THOUSANDS of these things running around. So it won't be unique, like a Mark VIII is...especially here in Canada where it is made, and where many people here have "A Plan" when buying a car. I live in a city with 200,000 people and I've seen two 2nd Gen Mark VIIIs. I've already seen more 300C than that. The 2nd problem with the 300C is again, the pricing. To have the 300C equipped how I would like it (V8) it costs $48,000CDN. I just could not pay $48,000 for that car. That puts it into Infiniti G35 Coupe territory. Obviously if I was spending that kind of money, it certainly would not be on a 300C, or a Chrysler for that matter.

Thanks for the opinions though!!
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

I agree with you on the 300C on all counts. Definitely a eye catcher - good or bad. V8 RWD definitely a plus. The test drive just didn't 'wow' me however.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

If you could stand to drive a Honda, the V6 Accord Coupe isn't bad. I drove one with the 6-speed manual, it had a lot of goodies such as a navigation system, dual-zone climate control, power everything, leather, etc. Really not a bad deal for $28k. Lots of power too, it runs 14.5 or so in the 1/4! It had a fair amount of road noise and the steering had that odd feeling common to FWD cars, but overall I liked it.

I had a hard time trying to imagine a Honda parked in my driveway, but since American companies have given up on the 2-door luxury sport coupe market, I didn't have much choice among new cars.

I almost bought it until I decided to drive a few Marks. The V8 roar, superb styling, RWD, handling, and--last but not least--the $23k savings really swayed my decision. But if you're looking for a comfortable car with a lot of power and amenities I think it's worth checking out.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

I cast my vote for a Used C5 auto or M6 24-30mpg and plently of power and handling
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

What about a WRX? or a Lancer Evo (the interior is horrid though)?
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

Sounds like he wants luxury, and a vette, wrx, or evo are far from that.

what about a CTS? Kinda slow though, unless you get a V, and that's more than you want to spend. A BMW might be a good choice. Or a :B lexus.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

I agree with the x-type. I really think they are good looking distinctive cars. Its primary design is as a rwd, so the 4wd will be much better than the fwd cars made into 4wd. Even the v6 model is peppy. Good handling. They had a great lease plan on these a few years ago, so many of them should be coming off now. Hopefully that will saturate the market and bring the used price down. Also take a look at the ls8. Dont forget that the ls (I think 6) was car and drivers car of the year a few years back. The only thing I dont like about it is that it looks just like a diamonte.

As for lincoln puting out cheap stuff, I have to agree. Its a good thing they redisinged the new navigator this year. The more I drive my '01, the less impressed I am with it. Same problems with the dash and the rims. Though it does have a great ride. Just too much cheap crap for such an expensive truck.

If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

Well then perhaps a used GS400/430 those things are killer fast and look good.
edit dang it you beat me to it!
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

Oh ya, what a sweet car. All but left the planet! I see none on the road. They sold around 900 to 1200 a year. Mercedes copied it in their new CLK coupes, using the roofline, taillamps and gereral shape. But, when I treid it, it was tight inside, very little room. It probably was the car that most sold me on the Town Car, realizing I wanted a BIG interior.
 
RE: Mark VIII Replacement Road Test Series:pT 1

A friend recently set out to replace his high mile 94 Mark. After trying many cars he bought a low mile 98 Mark LSC. These cars can be hard to replace. Good luck!
 
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