BIG BROTHER #4

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A society with morals is doomed. A society with ethics, at least, has a chance. And, quite obviously, by morals I mean religious determined (relative) truths, and by ethics, societally determined (relative) truths. Russell was right when he said that religion has only harmed society, and never benefitted it.
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I smell communism brewing in the room...
 
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Oh, tell me now... tell me now...

I can't take the suspense, what's gonna happen?

-J :7
 
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A society with morals is doomed. A society with ethics, at least, has a chance. And, quite obviously, by morals I mean religious determined (relative) truths, and by ethics, societally determined (relative) truths. Russell was right when he said that religion has only harmed society, and never benefitted it.
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JD - Since our society is composed of (mostly) human beings, most of whom have varying views of morality, we're stuck with a majoritarian code of ethics derived from the morals of the majority.

A strange result, indeed.
 
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Scott, if the ethics of a given society were derived purely from a necessary and functional standpoint, that is, what are the bare minimum (relative) truths/laws needed for the society to function, it would be to much greater effect than having them inherited/derived from the morals of the current majority.

To make it a bit more explicit:

A society that does not place a certain amount of importance on individual human life will not sustain itself. Due to the possible wanton, internal killing; the society could theorectically kill itself off. Therefore, it is necessary for a society to place some sort of quantitfiable predicate on murder (if it wants longevity). Also, a society with an individually based, capitalisitic economy cannot allow for stealing. Therefore, for the economy to sustain itself, it is necessary to place some sort of quantitfiable predicate on stealing/theft. When created from this paradigm, the ethics have a greater longevity.


Conversly, if a society does inherit its ethics from the popular morals of whatever religion is en vogue at a given epoch, it will confuse, schism, and other wise ____ up future generations. Look at the gay marriage issue. Or the general abhorrence of war.

The ethics of America are based on religious morals that are not shared by everyone. Religious "truths" are only true to those who blindly follow that religion. This is why there are so many seemingly different opinions. If we cut back the ethics to only those that are necessary for the survival of our country, there would be much less opposition to them. Regarding the opposition, there would be no issue with enforcing these ethics, since they are axiomatically necessary.
 
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It's the inclusion and use of the word "blindly" that makes it art...

-J :7
 
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The ethics of America are based on religious morals that are not shared by everyone. Religious "truths" are only true to those who blindly follow that religion. This is why there are so many seemingly different opinions. If we cut back the ethics to only those that are necessary for the survival of our country, there would be much less opposition to them. Regarding the opposition, there would be no issue with enforcing these ethics, since they are axiomatically necessary.
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JD, your logic is completely sound in theory. But it assumes that society can in practice reach consensus on what is "necessary". A person's preexisting morals (religious or otherwise) will influence how that person defines that word. And if enough like-minded individuals get together in positions of power...

I've come to the realization that, no matter how republican a form of government is, might still makes "right". Whether driven by ethics or morality, the minority will always perceive oppression at the hands of the majority.
 
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"I've never seen so many pinkos at once!"

So instead of refuting my position, or defending your own, you resort to a blatant abusive ad hominem. After a life-long search, I have finally met my intellectual superior!


Scott, yes, I agree with you. What is plausible in theory never works in practice. The best form of government still appears to be a benevolent dictatorship; that is, of course, if you completely agree with the current dictator. ;-)
 
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Scott, if the ethics of a given society were derived purely from a necessary and functional standpoint, that is, what are the bare minimum (relative) truths/laws needed for the society to function, it would be to much greater effect than having them inherited/derived from the morals of the current majority. To make it a bit more explicit:A society that does not place a certain amount of importance on individual human life will not sustain itself. Due to the possible wanton, internal killing; the society could theorectically kill itself off. Therefore, it is necessary for a society to place some sort of quantitfiable predicate on murder (if it wants longevity). Also, a society with an individually based, capitalisitic economy cannot allow for stealing. Therefore, for the economy to sustain itself, it is necessary to place some sort of quantitfiable predicate on stealing/theft. When created from this paradigm, the ethics have a greater longevity.Conversly, if a society does inherit its ethics from the popular morals of whatever religion is en vogue at a given epoch, it will confuse, schism, and other wise ____ up future generations. Look at the gay marriage issue. Or the general abhorrence of war.The ethics of America are based on religious morals that are not shared by everyone. Religious "truths" are only true to those who blindly follow that religion. This is why there are so many seemingly different opinions. If we cut back the ethics to only those that are necessary for the survival of our country, there would be much less opposition to them. Regarding the opposition, there would be no issue with enforcing these ethics, since they are axiomatically necessary.
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JD, that has to be the longest, most elegant post i've seen out of you. You make a good point, too. I never really thought of it that way, but that's a good theory. All i know is religious people piss me off. There has to be a more logical approach to legislation.
 
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The best form of government still appears to be a benevolent dictatorship; that is, of course, if you completely agree with the current dictator. ;-)
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Too true! :D
 
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