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Star Wars Speed Trap - GPS being used to catch speeders
By ERIC PETERS

Like tearing off that sticker on mattresses that warns us not to "under penalty of law," most of us don't pay much attention to speed limits. Five to 10 over is the rule, not the exception -- as any survey of average traffic speeds will confirm. We vote with our right foot every time we get behind the wheel, countermanding the diktats of the local bureaucrats who erect limits that are frequently well below what large majorities (better than 85 percent, if you want an actual figure based on traffic surveys) consider reasonable rates of travel.

But what if driving faster than the posted limit became an impossibility?

For years, this has been “The Dream” of safety-badger types, who equate any deviance from often arbitrarily-set posted speed limits with mowing down small children in a gigantic SUV with really loud mufflers, one hand on the wheel, the other clutching a half-empty fifth of Jack Daniels. They pushed for mechanical governors (which never flew) and even managed, briefly, to get a law passed that required all new cars to be fitted with speedometers that read no faster than 85 mph.

Now, however, the technology exists for a great leap forward -- or backward, depending on your point of view.

The Canadians are testing out a system that combines onboard Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) technology with a digital speed limit map. It works very much like the in-car GPS navigation systems which have become so common on late model cars -- but with a twist. Instead of helping you find a destination, the system, prevents you from driving any faster than the posted speed limit of the road you happen to be on.

As in a conventional GPS-equipped car or truck, the system knows which road you're on, as well as the direction you're traveling. This information is continuously updating as you move. But in addition to this, the system also acquires information about the posted speed limit on each road, as you drive. Once your vehicle reaches that limit, the car's computer makes it increasingly difficult to go any faster.

Ten vehicles equipped with this technology are currently being tested in the Ottowa area; if the trail is "successful," a wider series of tests is planned. And it's a sure bet the entire thing will eventually be the object of a very strong-armed push aimed at making it mandatory equipment in every new car. "We are trying to assess the operational acceptance issues," says Peter Burns of Transport Canada's road safety directorate.

But is all of this really necessary -- or even a good idea?

For one thing, if current speed limits are so sensible, why do so many of us disobey them routinely? Are large majorities of us simply indifferent to our own safety and that of others -- even though we seem capable of behaving responsibly in other aspects of our lives?

Or are speed limits often set unrealistically low?

And if they are, wouldn't it make more sense to adjust them so that they reflect a more reasonable consensus -- based upon how we actually drive -- rather than constantly pushing for new ways to compel compliance with limits that most of us clearly think are too low?

Bear in mind that for 20-plus years, we were relentlessly nagged by the self-styled "safety lobby" (and its profiteers in the insurance industry) that to exceed the sainted 55 mph limit was "dangerous speeding" that put ourselves and others at risk. Yet when Congress finally repealed the 55 mph limit in '95 -- and most states raised their highway limits to 65, 70, even 75 mph in some cases -- highway fatality rates did not increase as predicted. In fact, just two years after the majority of states increased their maximum highway speed limits, the total national highway fatality rate reached an all-time record low of 1.64 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT).

This proved that driving 65 or 70-something mph on a highway was not "unsafe." The big difference post-'95 was that you no longer had to worry about getting a ticket for doing it.

The same issue exists on many secondary roads, where under-posted limits are routinely ignored by most drivers -- but vigorously enforced by radar traps. Like the tickets issued to people under the double nickel, the use of radar to nab motorists exceeding these under-posted limits is justified on the basis of "safety" -- even though most of us know that driving five or 10 mph faster doesn't in and of itself constitute unsafe driving any more than doing 65 or 70-something mph did under the old 55 mph NMSL.

And sometimes, it's necessary to accelerate rapidly in order to avoid an accident -- even if it means momentarily exceeding the posted limit.

But Canada's little experiment could bring a screeching halt to all that -- literally. Dumbed-down limits -- and dumbed-down driving -- would become much more than the law of the land.

They would become an inescapable way of life.

Some might welcome a world in which driving faster than whatever the speed limit happens to be is impossibility. But it might be more common-sensical to post realistic speed limits -- and deal with the handful of drivers who won't or can't drive reasonably -- than to treat every driver on the road like the irresponsible one.
 
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I don't know about Canada, but this will never pass in the US because as we all suspect, speed limits and speed enforcement are really just another way of taxation. No politician will ever give up all this this "tax" $$. :([/div]

Nahhh, it goes deeper than that.

No one in Congress will want to be held to the speed limit, and whatever hurts Congress gets the boot.
 
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I can't believe something like that would be safe. Haven't you ever had to speed up to avoid being hit by another car, or when you know you can't stop for the yellow, and want to make it through? I'm being serious - not talking about people speeding through yellows, but those serious situations when you do need to do something or get out of the way for emergency vehicles.
 
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I've always said it's not necessarily speed that kills but the speed differential that's dangerous.
 
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I'd be cutting that wire.

Or driving something carbureted with a regular old distributor.
 
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I don't care for GPS anyway, so I'll just keep my old cars! I remember reading a short story about 10 years ago about this very thing. It creeped me out even then ::wtf::
 
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While all in all it's a lousy idea that will never fly (pun intended) here's a good use for it... stopping high speed car chases. If the cops had a way to "shoot" the car electronically the car could slow down and come to a stop.
 
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While all in all it's a lousy idea that will never fly (pun intended) here's a good use for it... stopping high speed car chases. If the cops had a way to "shoot" the car electronically the car could slow down and come to a stop.
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There's already research into this. Different types of disabling devices that basically attack the car's electronics, disrupting the fuel or ignition systems. Much safer and more effective than road blocks and spike strips in ending a high speed pursuit. I would expect it anytime. I wonder if GM's 'OnStar' system can disable a vehicle as easily as unlocking the doors?
 
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I would not be a bit surprised if this actually did happen. There are a few things to understand. The insurance industry dictates what new laws come out in these areas. The insurance companies will pay off whoever they need to to get this stuff through. Do you really think they need tax revenue from tickets? Do you really think they pay attention to this stuff? No. They just keep spending more as they see fit.

Here are a few things to think about. When approaching a stale green light one should remove their foot from the gas and cover the brake in the event the light changes. I have never once in my life had to speed up to avoid a crash. I already know there will be a bunch of people who swear that they have encountered these situations a bunch of times and it saved their lives. The beauty of the internet....unvarifiable "facts" and stories.

And by the way, I dont agree with the idea of haveing this stuff controlled. I believe in a free society we have the freedom to break rules. We should also not be surprised when those who do use this freedom affect our lives. The insurance companies will get it through if its important to them. Look at the seatbelt laws as one example.

Another example to hit home with you Jack. How do you like the insurance companies paying off our engineers to make almost all of Hillsborough county a flood zone. I hear that they are in pinellas now doing the same thing.

If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?
 
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The insurance companies will get it through if its important to them. Look at the seatbelt laws as one example.
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And if they don't get their way, they stop offering coverage in the affected state/region. That is their trump card since insurance coverage is pretty much universally mandatory. I've seen it threatened and actually used here in WV.
 
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So this GPS device controls my speed to the posted limit. What about when conditions are such, like in rain snow or icy conditions or just heavy traffic? Can I still drive the limit?

I still say it will never pass because municipalities or such, need the revenue from traffic enforcement. There are small towns that depend almost entirely on this revenue.


 
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