Creation "museum" opening ROFL!!!

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PETERSBURG, Ky. - A museum that tells the Bible's version of Earth's history — that the planet was created in a single week just a few thousand years ago — attracted thousands to its opening as protesters rallied outside.

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The dozens of demonstrators argued Monday that the Creation Museum's central tenets conflict with scientific evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. Overhead, an airplane pulled a banner with the message: "Thou Shalt Not Lie."

The privately funded museum had more than 4,000 guests on opening day, said Mark Looy, a co-founder of the $27 million facility 20 miles southwest of Cincinnati. The parking lot was filled with license plates from dozens of states.

"The guests were very happy with the museum experience," Looy said. "Of course, we had some naysayers come through and engage us in conversation, and that's fine — we want them."

Lawrence Krauss, an author and physicist at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University, decided to view the museum firsthand.

"It's really impressive — and it really gives the impression that they're talking about science at some point," Krauss said. On a scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being best, "I'd give it a 4 for technology, 5 for propaganda. As for content, I'd give it a negative 5."

The museum features high-tech exhibits designed by a theme-park artist, including animatronic dinosaurs and a wooden ark at least two stories tall, plus a special effects theater and planetarium.

Some exhibits show dinosaurs aboard Noah's Ark and assert that all animals were vegetarians until Adam committed the first sin in the Garden of Eden.

I wonder if the unicorn exhibits are cool... ?! :lolgrin003: There is also a great model of our "flat" earth.
 
I've tried to explain to others in my church how many different ways exist to prove that earth is over a billion years old, and I can never get them to understand that just because God didn't put something in the Bible (dinosaurs, neanderthals, the ice age, evolution, etc.) does not mean it could not have happened/existed...none of the aforementioned subjects are relevant to our salvation.
 
I can't understand how some people believe everything bible word for word without any question. ????

Especially since the terms "week" and "day" did not exist prior to the existance of our current solar system. By definition, they must be metaphorical, in which a "day" could mean 1 billion earth-years. As such, dinosaurs could have come and gone between "days" 4 and 5.

Before anyone accuses me of Christian-bashing (I am a Jesus freak), I'll point out that aetheists sometimes use such literal translations to excuse themselves from an existance with God.
 
I hate when religion is "forced" upon people. I believe in God, but I don't go to church, I hate the door to door "recruiters" and I don't think you should be told HOW to believe and that if you don't believe their way, you're going to Hell. I consider myself to still be "learning" about him, but I do talk to him and he has shown himself to me. I'm a slow "learner" I guess, haha. I have the ability to pray for others and have their worries whiped away, but its tough to know he's around when I still faulter and I deal with crap all the time.

I hate the people/media that force God on everyone just the same way they force the gays on us. Good for them that they stood up, but why the hell should they get more rights than opposite sex marriage couples? They have more rights than I do being my fathers son. My dad could claim me as his "significant other" and I can be on his medical, but not as his son....DIRECT family. WTF? That and the damn illegals....they can go into the hospital and get treated for free...no questions asked, but my leg gets cut off, I can't leave until I sign away my life to pay for it. Goooooo POLITICS! :D
 
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This sounds more like a theme park to me.

I love museums. Well, except for the art museums.

I like to see old cars, machines, buildings, dinosaur bones, mummies, etc.

This has animatronic displays?

Hopefully they at least have an original Bible. Or actually, maybe a few scrolls.:)
 
I hate when religion is "forced" upon people. I believe in God, but I don't go to church, I hate the door to door "recruiters" and I don't think you should be told HOW to believe and that if you don't believe their way, you're going to Hell.

Right on man! Separation of church and state...otherwise we become Iraq.
 
Yep, and they are in Hell right now with all the crap going down over there.

Speaking of "Over There", anyone see that series on FX? Man, freaking awesome!
 
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This is a post by William Edelen who has a symposium in Palm prings concerning "opions"

When it comes to the history of religions and biblical literature, the majority of "opinions" given by the John and Jane Does of the world are just about as important as those of my little dog, Shiva. Until a person has made a serious study of comparative mythology, comparative religions, the history of religions from an anthropological perspective, semantics, linguistics, symbolism and metaphor, origins of biblical literature and the relationship to other literature of the same historical period, they really do not know enough about the subject to even have an "opinion".

Macho men, and women, give "opinions" on everything under the sun and with such firm authority that you assume, wrongly, that they know what they are talking about.

Men who have never been out of Alabama will tell you all about what is wrong with Detroit, the car industry and the Japanese.
People who can't pay off their credit cards debt will tell you with strong "opinions" how to deal with the national debt.
Parents who cannot get along with their own children or parents or relatives or neighbors will give you strong "opinions" on how to achieve peace in the Middle East.
Men who made D's and F's in college math will give you their "opinion" on what is wrong with NASA.
People who have not read a book in 20 years will give your their "opinion" about writing, authors they have vaguely heard about and what is wrong with freedom of speech.
Fundamentalist Christians will tell you with anger and red faces why their religion is the only "true" one that can "save" people, even though they have never spent five minutes in their entire lives studying the great traditions of our human species.

He is a provacative thinker
 
This is a post by William Edelen who has a symposium in Palm prings concerning "opions"

When it comes to the history of religions and biblical literature, the majority of "opinions" given by the John and Jane Does of the world are just about as important as those of my little dog, Shiva. Until a person has made a serious study of comparative mythology, comparative religions, the history of religions from an anthropological perspective, semantics, linguistics, symbolism and metaphor, origins of biblical literature and the relationship to other literature of the same historical period, they really do not know enough about the subject to even have an "opinion".

Macho men, and women, give "opinions" on everything under the sun and with such firm authority that you assume, wrongly, that they know what they are talking about.

Men who have never been out of Alabama will tell you all about what is wrong with Detroit, the car industry and the Japanese.
People who can't pay off their credit cards debt will tell you with strong "opinions" how to deal with the national debt.
Parents who cannot get along with their own children or parents or relatives or neighbors will give you strong "opinions" on how to achieve peace in the Middle East.
Men who made D's and F's in college math will give you their "opinion" on what is wrong with NASA.
People who have not read a book in 20 years will give your their "opinion" about writing, authors they have vaguely heard about and what is wrong with freedom of speech.
Fundamentalist Christians will tell you with anger and red faces why their religion is the only "true" one that can "save" people, even though they have never spent five minutes in their entire lives studying the great traditions of our human species.

He is a provacative thinker

The Harvard school of law did a study on the Bible and found that its information was consistant and its eyewitness testimony would easily stand up in a court of law.

I would think that their "opinion" counts for something...
 
There are 8 references about "opinions" 1 about Biblical literature and none about the Bible. Going to Harvard does not make anyone an expert of the Bible. There are well over 500 different religions in this country all claiming to have the correct translation of the Bible, and I would guess they have members who are lawyers too. The essay only gives his "opinion" about what people should know before offering their "opinions" about a subject.
I'm done, this goes, like politics, nowhere.
 
There are 8 references about "opinions" 1 about Biblical literature and none about the Bible. Going to Harvard does not make anyone an expert of the Bible. There are well over 500 different religions in this country all claiming to have the correct translation of the Bible, and I would guess they have members who are lawyers too. The essay only gives his "opinion" about what people should know before offering their "opinions" about a subject.
I'm done, this goes, like politics, nowhere.

Did you take offense to my statement of fact? If so, why?

I spoke about THEE Harvard school of law, not a Harvard law student. The difference is that the work was sanctioned and performed by the school faculty itself.

And going to Harvard does not indeed make anyone an expert in the Bible. I was merely pointing out that the only experts that exist who can really comment on the validity of a document based on its historical description and eyewitness testimony would be the folks at the Harvard school of law...and they are some of the best in the world at what they do.

And one more thing. By definition, anyone can offer an opinion about anything; it may be a bad opinion, but an opinion none the less. And since opinions are what they are, for someone to refute that opinion, would merely be an opinion in itself. This would indicate that the essay/lecture quoted previously is merely an opinion regarding opinions.

How's that for provocative thinking?
 
There are facts... and there are opinions... labeling everything an opinion is just a way to "dis-credit" facts. One can sit here and argue that humans are not real and we're all really in the matrix lol.
 
There are facts... and there are opinions... labeling everything an opinion is just a way to "dis-credit" facts. One can sit here and argue that humans are not real and we're all really in the matrix lol.

Yes, of course.

I had assumed everybody knew we restricted the discussion to the realm of opinions.

The only facts presented in this thread were that a museum has opened that supports creationism and that Harvard conducted an in-depth analysis of the Bible and found it to be consistant and reliable when held up to the typical court's "burden of proof".

The essay provided earlier is an opinion, since it cannot be proven. Assuming that (and correct me if I'm wrong) the main point of the essay was that people should not offer up opinions on things they know little about, I would point out that as a country, we pride ourselves on the fact that we have free speech and that anyone can speak their mind without fear of punishment. If we were to look at a country that quashes dissenting personal opinion, like Iran, we see that such a situation is not as ideal as what we have in the US - the lack of knowledge on a topic notwithstanding.

Intuitively, one could assume that if the ignorant kept their opinions to themselves, the world would be a better place. While the theory might sound good, that isn't always the case.
 
Look at the qoute under my sig picture.....I believe there is truth behind the "Matrix".
 
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