lining up painted stud?

sleeper

Former LOD President
I had my tires rotated recently, and ever since, there's a slight vibration at 45-55 mph. just a slight shimmy in the steering wheel.

Is there a specific way to line up the painted stud on the front hub with the valve stem on the wheel to minimize runout? I think this might be the problem, as i don't think the tires are cupped and there's no other noticeable vibration.
 
RE: lining up painted stud?

I've heard it should line up with the valve stem. Others have said it is only for relative reference for wheel balance at the factory. In other words, once the tire and wheel are balanced and the known maximum runout is referenced to the wheel hub, the whole assembly should be in balance.

But with worn tires, new replacement tires, aftermarket rims, etc... the painted wheel stud is totally irrelevant. It can only then be used as a relative marker. In your case, if you can identify the offending wheel, remove that wheel and rotate 180 degrees using the valve stem and painted stud as a reference. Then re-mount the wheel and road test.
 
RE: lining up painted stud?

A couple things could come into play since this was a result of tire rotation. You never mentioned having aftermarket wheels so I will assume they are stock.

1. The tires now on the front were previously on the rear drive tire, so they could easily have slipped on the rim enough to throw the balance off. Assuming you did not re-balance them during the tire rotation. "This would be my choice possability"

2. Tire seperation or a lost wheel weight.

So what it comes down to is simply checking the balance on the fronts. BTW, I always mate up the painted stud with the valve as well. Can't harm anything

Oh yea...I would really like to see a pic or two of your Fountain. I just picked up a Spectra this last summer.


Brad
 
RE: lining up painted stud?

Dave...if the tires are worn close to the wear bars, then the vibration is most likely due to OOR condition.....they are no longer "round", believe it or not.

Like Brad said, typically, the rear wheels can either rotate on the rim slightly, since they are the drive wheels, or since they rode out back, they may have been out of balance for a while, but since they were "back there", you didnt notice any vibration....then if they were in fact out of balance back there, that can/will cause uneven wear patterns on the tread cap.

Rotate the rears to the front, and you will now feel the vibration, and most likely it wont go away until they get replaced.


when a new set of tires is first installed, typically, the wheel/tire package that required the least amount of weight to off-set the difference in balance, will get mounted at the driver's front. This is because that tire/wheel position is closest to the driver. We would mount/balance all 4, and then work our way back/away from the driver according to the amount of weight needed to balance the combination.
LF
RF
LR
RR
...with the RR being farthest away from the driver.

also remember, when balancing a wheel/tire package, your balancing the rubber that is on the tire. As you drive, the rubber wears away, and this can ultimately change the balance. 90% of the time if you put a wheel/tire combo on a wheel balancer, you will find that they are out of balance. This is because of what I wrote above...the rubber wears away, thus changing the amount of weight required to balance the wheel, and the location of the wheel weight.

I hate to tell you but, the ride wont be perfect until you get new tires. Also remember, tires are balanced in OUNCE increments. On a truck/SUV, you can actually pick up a stone/pebble between the tread blocks that can weigh more than the wheel weights on that wheel...this too can affect ride quality.

Lastly, I would check to make sure they were re-balanced correctly. many shops dont remove the old weights when they re-balance tires...they will simply hammer on a new weight in a different location to compensate, as the machine is only trying to balance the rotating assembly. This is known as 'counter balancing", and is a common no-no amoung lazy tire shops.

This discussion is something that many tire companies take in to consideration when they build a tire...often, the molding process can help promote better tire wear to elleviate a future balancing problem. Segmented mold tires are known for better future balancing as tires wear. Segmented meaning the tire was molded together like a pie...piece by piece, as opposed to two halves being molded together at the center tread seam. Most truck tires or larger passenger tires are non-segmented mold, and can often wear uneven over their tread life, thus changing the balance constantly.
 
RE: lining up painted stud?

They were fine for a little while after being balanced, now they're getting worse again. A 2000 mile round trip to Florida didn't help them.

I'm due for new tires, but i don't have the money right now.

My computer just fried itself (motherboard decided to try to catch on fire, randomly) and i have to pay for christmas presents, so i'm stuck rolling on these tires for awhile. Hopefully they get me through the winter. I can already tell that i'm not going to have the same traction as last year, but with 4x4 and AWD, I should do fine. There should still be plenty of tread on there.
 
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