Swapping timing chain & cam covers.....

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Hey guys! I am about to swap over the cam & timing chain covers that I just had chrome plated. I was wondering if anyone knew what the torque specs are for the mounting hardware for those parts. Also, I'm not sure about how to pull the power steering pump pulley. I tried to use an allen head drive with an impact, but it didn't budge. Any help or tips about other things I should consider during this job are greatly appreciated. Thanks,

-Joe Michael
 
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Ahh a fellow rider. Hows the bike doing? That thing is a wheelie machine, (my friend has one). I thought of doing the same to the covers, but i was worried abot the extra heat that would be held inside them after the copper and chroming process. That should look sweet when done. Please post pics!
This info is in my CD and service manual which are back in the States. I'll be home later this month and post it for you. By that time im sure you'll probably already be done having found the intel elsewhere.

1995 DK BLUE Lincoln Mark VIII
1998 DK BLUE Chevrolet 1500 P/U
2004 BLACK HONDA CBR 600RR
 
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The bike's doin' great. She's apart right now, but I should have her up & running for next season, as my '97 is a priority. I snapped a couple pics of the covers, but I have to upload them to my pc, along with a couple pics of the sludge that I discovered when I pulled one of the cam covers. The stuff is like peanut butter, all over the valve train. Any ideas on what would have caused this, or what I should do about it? I'll post the pics as soon as I can. Thanks,

-Joe Michael
 
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... along with a couple pics of the sludge that I discovered when I pulled one of the cam covers. The stuff is like peanut butter, all over the valve train. Any ideas on what would have caused this, or what I should do about it? ...[/div]

.:eek: Sludge?! Usually oil sludge is from too infrequent oil changes. One of the best signs of good oil maintenance is no oil sludge.

The front cover torque spec is 15-22 lb-ft.

The cam cover spec is 71-106 lb-in.

The PS pump pulley requires a puller. You should be able to rent such puller.

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Thanks guys! Those bastards that drove my car must've never changed the oil, then. I know that it was leased to a corporate account in Florida, till about 35k. Then the guy that I purchased it from put on another 15k. He had just recently moved up here four years ago, when I picked it up with 50k on it. I have always used 5w30 Mobil 1 since I purchased the car, changing it every 3k. It has just under 90k now. I guess it's time for the stroker kit I've been wanting. Any kit you guys would recommend? I had a shop quote me $4,000 parts & labor. I might end up just doing the kit with a couple friends, anybody down to help?? :D

Thanks,

-Joe Michael
 
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$4K for parts and labor is not that bad IMHO.
 
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I guess so, that's with me pulling and re-installing the engine. I haven't really shopped around for the kits yet, so I'll have a better idea of which route I'm gonna' take soon after I do some research.

-Joe Michael
 
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I guess so, that's with me pulling and re-installing the engine. [/div]

Considering 4.6L 'stroker' longblocks can go for $8K out the door(www.vtengines.com), $4K is still a good price with you pulling and re-installing the engine. Stroker 'Kits' start at $2500.
 
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once I get my car back and going (very soon) I can give you a hand once and a while joe. I don't have much free time but when I do I dont mind working on cars.
 
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I'd love to help, but am a little far from where you're at. Are you just going stroked or are you considering the "big bore" stroker setup. From what I've read the big bore is worth the extra money and machine work for the extra cubes. But if you're going with a n/a setup it would probablly be worth the money to swap to the 03 heads and 01 cobra intake. As those heads and that intake work much better with a larger displacement engine...and tons better in n/a form. But if you have a huffer of any kind then you're better off with the stock heads and a modded 96-98 cobra intake. But one way or another please keep us posted on the results. I've been wanting to build a 4.6 stroker for a long time. There is one shop in dallas that promises 400-420 hp at the crank. That's a lot of ponies in that little engine. And that's with no more than a 10:1 compression ratio, stage 2 cams, and ported heads and intake. Oh and of course headers and the stroker setup.

As far as companies I would go with someone who knows what they are doing. Like DSS, Coast High Performance, and the like.

My $ .02
 
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I checked out VP Engines. (Thanks for the heads up, JP!) I'm gonna' give them a call about a balanced big bore stroker kit. Seeing how I'm gonna' have the block apart it only makes sense to bore it out for more cubes, and fresh cylinder surfaces. I believe it brings the dispacement up to around 5.2 liters. YEAH!! I plan on adding a centrifugal blower to it sometime next year. I'm really wishin' that I had picked up those ported heads that someone was selling not too long ago. I just didn't think I'd be ripping into the motor anytime soon. The '03 heads seem like a good idea, as I like the '01 intake manifold. Anyone know what those heads & intake are goin' for? Thanks for the help, guys. Eric, I'll give you a call soon, to see what you're up to. Thanks for offering to help, that's really appreciated seing how busy both of us are. Justin, I'll keep you posted on her progress. Thanks again!,

-Joe Michael
 
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Keep your eyes peeled for a good deal. I've seen the 03 cobra heads go for $1500+ but everyonce in a while you'll find a mach 1 or aviator engine that's blown and selling for cheap. I'd keep an eye on corral and modular depot for some poor sucker that's in need of money. You could probablly get a set for $900 if you shop around, but I'm a cheap a** and have to talk everyone down.

However if you're going to do a head swap and you need someone to take a cobra intake off your hands...then I want dibs.:) Of course I may have to pay you with a kidney or something cause I've been broke as of late.

And I've seen some impressive numbers from the 5.2 stroker setups. She should be mean...I can't wait until I build one for myself.
 
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If you're doing the motor i'd look for a blower setup off an '03/'04 cobra, as well as the newer heads.

if you're going to port them and go with an aftermarket blower, stick with the stock heads.
 
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That's good advice. Our heads perform very well with a blower.
 
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Hey guys, I pulled the engine out last week with no problems, thanks to all of your advice. I had her up on the frame lift at the bodyshop that I have my car at. I had everything pulled and k-member re-installed in a day. It was the easiest engine pull I've ever done! I already had long tubes on it, and couln't imagine pulling it out from the top. It was hard enough just to unbolt the headers with the engine out of the car! I am now looking for the proper big bore stroker kit. I'm lookin for 5.2 liters and forged crank, rods, pistons, of course. I'm thinking I'll keep the heads stock, and bolt on a KB later on or maybe........ a remote mount turbo? I think one bolted up where the double x pipe is, would be pretty cool, and simple enough to install.

I still have that G2 intake. I was thinking of having it extrude honed, as I like the look of the G2 intake better that the '98 Cobra one. 'Dunno, we'll see what I end up with. I was wondering what special tools I would need to R&R the engine, so that it all comes apart and goes back together properly. Thanks!
 
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Are you just going to buy a short/long block, or are you going to do some of the work yourself on the rebuild?

If you want to add a KB later and don't plan on porting - go to the newer style heads. I'm sure you can find a set used. The KB for our heads doesn't allow an intercooler yet, which makes a big difference. Our heads ("B" heads) are great when ported but aren't as good as the newer heads stock. So if you don't want to spend the money on porting, try picking up some newer ones.

With a centrifugal blower or a turbo either kind of heads will be fine.
 
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