The little tranny that could...

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The little tranny that could...

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This tranny has served me well over the years, including putting up with abuse it takes to make a Mark VIII run a 13.4 second ET in the quarter mile. Well the time for all good things must come to an end, and this way it is under my terms. I spent part of the weekend with the car at a shop getting the tranny replaced.

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I went with a race-prepped tranny built for whatever I may decide to throw at it in the future.

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It started with a late model case and J-modded valve body with all the 'good stuff' inside including the rear bushing lube mod and the extra large capacity cast aluminum pan.

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The 3800 stall converter remains and I included a SpeedCal device to be able to accurately program the speedo for the 4.30 gears.

Nothing comes with this car without pain however. After a late arrival, and another customer in front of me it was nearly 2 AM when we were done and we decided to put the new hard lines for the cooler off 'til another day. :eek:

The speedcal was a PITA to install. Built for mustangs, the wiring was short and had to be spliced longer since the only logical installation for the black box was in the console. With the 18 tooth speedo gear we calculated the settings for the tranny output shaft, gears and tires only to find them off by about 9%. I've since changed it and now have it within 3-4% by GPS. Another round of calculations should put that near spot on for the gears and tires I currently have.

The 4 hour plus drive home in the wee hours also showed the converter isn't locking up, so I've got some troubleshooting to do there. At first it wasn't so apparent, but once I started in the hills towards home it became quite obvious. Even still, 190* was the warmest the tranny temp gauge ever registered in the hilly terrain.

The harness needed re-pinned for the new setup, so if I'm lucky it may just be a loose pin in the bulkhead connector? Worse case I was assured would be a defective 'new' TCC solenoid. Wouldn't be the first I suppose.

I may break out my recently acquired 'break-out' box and see what it tells me. :rolleyes:

All in all though, I'm pleased and I'm sure once I get the lock-up working, it will be a good choice to have made. The old tranny showed some unusual findings in the autopsy, but no readily apparent serious malfunctions. The pan and fluid was spotless and some of the old '93 era internal parts were almost instant Smithsonian conversation pieces. Not bad for 138,000 miles and hundreds of track passes - considering this was supposedly the worst of the 4R70W trannies ever. Just goes to show what proper maintenance can do. :)
 
good luck with the new trans. I have 129k now, i hopw i got a lot more out of my trans.

What kind of city MPG do you get with the 3800 stall? After i got my heads an cam in the vette i was at about 18 mpg, now with just a 3000 stall i am at 14 mpg city. Not sure of the highy way MPG yet.
 
City? The closest I can relate would likely be around 19 mpg. I can easily still maintain 21 mpg mixed, and 23+ on the highway.
 
I believe it was $2400 with all the extras, minus the discount plus installation. Even though it was just installed, it's been months since ordering it so I may be a little off.
 
I thinks it's an additional 3 qts. That and the external cooling fins help keep temps in check.
 
Update:

Spent the weekend back at the shop figuring out the issue with the lockup converter not locking.

Once on the lift, the wire harness for the tranny was pulled and triple checked. Another test drive and still no lockup.

Checked for codes and couldn't pull any codes? Remove the chip and try again with the same results and still no codes.

Check the resistance of the TCC solenoid and it checked out good. Tried a manual control box and still could not get any lockup.

Time to pull the pan.

Pulled the pan and checked the solenoid and internal harness. No sign of any issues. Re-check the TCC solenoid again directly and again it tested good.

Time to pull the valvebody.

Pulled the valvebody and disassembled looking closely at 2 specific valves that are responsible for converter lockup. No signs of sticking or any abnormality. Check and double check everything and reassemble the valvebody.

After a dinner break, the valvebody was reinstalled and we were ready for another test drive, Still no lockup! Argh!

Back on the lift, the decision was made to build another valvebody with the old style solenoids and wire harness to eliminate any possibility of non conformance with the PCM and wiring. Of course this meant re-pinning the bulkhead harness connector back to the early generation layout. Tedious work indeed and then of course had to J-Mod a separator plate as well.

Round 'bout midnite, another test drive unfortunately proved futile and once again it was back to the lift. This time the prognosis was to remove the tranny and disassemble it looking for the source of the illusive problem. If needed, the converter would be cut open and inspected.

Time for me to retire for the night. ;)

The next morning(late), I called the shop and asked for an update. They had stayed up 'til 3am to pull the tranny and disassemble it. After some much needed sleep, they started reassembly that morning. By the time I got to the shop, the tranny was back in and they were in the process of putting the driveline and exhaust back. :eek:

An air of confidence was at the shop since the tranny teardown had revealed a faulty 2-3 accumulator and burnt clutches. Apparently the vendor for the latest accumulators was a different source than usual at the time of the original build. The 2-3 accumulator was bleeding pressure causing a low pressure situation in vital circuits necessary for the lockup to function and also causing slippage of the direct clutch. The mega-tranny cooler had kept the trauma to a minimum!

Finally, after topping off the transmission fluid level and re-installing the chip, the car was ready for a test drive. This time success was achieved! The lockup functioned as it was supposed to and once again the Blue Flame was tearing down the highway with confidence! :D
 
Glad you got it fixed JP, those hours going through the diagnosis had to be real character building.
 
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