RE: Lying Presidents
Trixie, baby, I would argue that having kids is in ones best (self) interest. You certainly don't bring kids into the world for their sake, so even mothers are ultimately selfish. This is not a bad thing, but rather, it is human nature at its grandest...Today, however, this country is horribly overpopulated, and by bringing more kids into this situation does nothing but complicate our social and economic problem. So mothers then, for the most part are not only non-productive members of society, but are, on the contrary, a huge drain and burden to the rest of the productive members of this nation. If a person does not have value add he should be left to fend for himself or deported.
Oh man JD, I can never tell when you are serious or just trying to provoke (TROLL!)! "mothers then, for the most part are not only non-productive members of society, but are, on the contrary, a huge drain and burden to the rest of the productive members of this nation" -
OK maybe YOUR mother is a deadbeat waste of space (why else would you project that description to all mothers, if yours was not) but I know my mother was not, and neither is my girlfriend, who is the other of a 3yr old. Now, my ex-wife... it could be argued LOL
IF a mother does a good job, she produces a productive and postive thinking member of society. If she does not, you get a lazy good-for-nothing jerk. We've got too many of these already.
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Bryan, why should somebody expect to work 60-80 hours per week just to have basic provisions to raise a family? (Is that what you mean by "be set"?) Not everyone is interested in driving themselves to wealth 80 hrs per week. Some just want to live more modest lives, have a comfortable home, a good family, and not be hungry. Should that take 60-80 hours of work per week? I think an experienced and skilled worker should be able to provide a middle-class living for a family without spending more than 1/3 of his life at work. Sure, you want more, you want to make the sacrifice, work 168 hours a week if you like. This is America that is your right. Not an obligation. So I think it is a reasonable expectation for an experienced factory worker to make a decent wage that will support a family above the poverty line. No, he won't get rich. But he shouldn't be poor.
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And finaly, back to the original topic
The ends do not justify the means.
Can anyone argue that to be false? Can anyone make a moral argument that the ends can justify the means? That would be fun... I'm sure JD can try!! LOL
But I accept it as true.
Therefore, IF our gov't lied to us to get our support for the war, that cannot be justified by any amount of success in the war itself. Even if Iraq was a wonderful happy place today (which it ISN'T), that would not justify the lies told by our gov't to us.
So what can be done about it? Nothing. Find the CIA analyst who spun the intelligence and fire him? Big nothing.
So what if Cheney knew it was spun, and that the spin coming from CIA would shield the administration from the fact of the lie. That's using the depth of your organization to provide plausible deniability, and it is dishonest at best. The administration knew the intelligence was inflated, exaggerated, spun to support pre-existing hypotheses, but put it out there as objective facts. That's called LYING.
94 Mark VIII, Black / Black