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Oil is not oil! If you run your car hard or race it you need to use synthetic... dino oil will shear down and cause added wear on your engine... now it still may get to 200,000 miles or whatever on dino but it will definitely last longer on synthetic if you run it hard. If you have an economy car use dino oil...
 
Serge, let me first say that I fully and completely agree with your statement.

But that said I am raising a question; Who in here "races" a Mark VIII?
I have yet to hear of someone taking their Mark VIII to autocross or to a local track and spinning a few laps. That is pretty much the environment required for the synthetic to truly shine above the normal operating parameters.

There are way too many weak spots on these cars that need to be addressed before they are "trackable".
The need better brakes,
Suspension upgrades (sway bars, lowering stiffer springs).
HUGE transmission cooler.
Better radiator.

Taking the car down the 1/4 mile a few times or even a few hundred times is not going to make or brake an engine, nor is it “racing”. If the engine is operating outside normal parameters such as 7000rpms, colder plugs, etc, advanced timing, it will be far more damaging than the use of “dino oil” at NORMAL intervals. Every 3-5k miles. That said synthetic protects the engine better but most of us will not have our cars long enough to realize the fruits of our labor so to speak.
 
driller said:
Given that it may cost $20 more than a generic oil change - in a 200,000 mile engine you would have 67 oil changes(based on 3000 mile intervals). That only equates to $1340 and it would be one helluva savings plan to have "WAY more than enough to rebuild the engine".
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But you're stating that the engine is going to need a rebuild at 200K. Obviously some engines fail before others....but until someone tells me that they are burning 2 qts of oil or get blue smoke at 200k you could probably double that figure because I have confidence that these engines can last up to 400k(if you're willing to keep the rest of the car going). Plus....a basic rebuild is a Master Gasket Set, Bearings/Rings, and a Valve Job including re-surfacing the heads. $2,000-$2,500?

46callaway said:
Oil is not oil! If you run your car hard or race it you need to use synthetic..
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Again....for most cars OIL IS OIL! Just because you go WOT once or twice a week getting on the freeway doesn't mean you need synthetic. Like I said before Serge....

J said:
If you want to save your engines life, don't abuse it, don't rev it to 7k all the time, and stop putting regular gas in it and doing WOT blasts while the pinging is being drowned out by the loud exhaust.
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If you know how to treat a car, change the oil when you need it and keep up on the fluids, changing blends/weights of oils is more a "marketing scheme" than anything. Ofcourse there are good oils and bad oils, but seriously, it all does the same thing and when you're talking about Daily Drivers.....Oil IS oil.
 
maxmk8 said:
But that said I am raising a question; Who in here "races" a Mark VIII?
I have yet to hear of someone taking their Mark VIII to autocross or to a local track and spinning a few laps.

That said synthetic protects the engine better but most of us will not have our cars long enough to realize the fruits of our labor so to speak.
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I've taken my car to the 3/8ths mile asphalt oval track here in houston.

I'll tell you what.... running around the 3/8th mile oval in second gear is far less wear and tear on a car than running it from 0-100-0 at the dragstrip

On the 3/8ths oval I was running from 40MPH in the corner to a WOT blast up to 75MPH then engine braking back down to my max corner speed which was 40 MPH.

The car was "in it's enviroment"... never once did it act like it was being abused, except for when I tried to "carry 50MPH thru the corner" a coupe of times and the car would "push up the racetrack" almost smacking the wall a couple of times made me realize that 40 was "all she was gonna carry" thru the corner.

Even if I could have reached 100MPH in the short straight, it still would have been less abuse going from 40-100-40 than it is from 0-100-0.

and.. I think in 380,000 miles my car has "paid for itself" and it's "high priced oil changes".. at this point if I had to start ALL OVER, I would do it the same way.. MOBIL 1 ALL THE WAY.. EVERYDAY!

Feel free to use up all those dead dinosaurs though, it wont hurt my feelings.
 
We also have made 3 autocrosses here.

Funny thing about that was.. they put us in the V-8 RWD modified class.
That put us against the likes of a 68' 350 powered stingray corvette.

After the second session the finish order was

Mike Gilbert {mark 8)
Me {mark 8}
Corvette
Tiffany {mark 8 only .1 behind the vette) it was her first autocross.

After the second session the miata guys were giving the corvette guy so much crap for getting WASTED by Grandma cars.. that the corvette guy packed up and left...

We also ran a Nightime autocross out at the police academy on a figure 8 course with NO LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT... relying ONLY on our feeble mark 8 lights..

We didn't do to bad... most of the cones that I hit.. I NEVER SAW!
HAHA

Funny thing about cones, they sound like a rabbit as they pass beneath your car
FLUMPAFLUMPAFLUMPA
 
maxmk8 said:
Taking the car down the 1/4 mile a few times or even a few hundred times is not going to make or brake an engine, nor is it “racing”..
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What about 5000+ times?

and what makes you "THINK" it's not racing?

That's a pretty ludicrous statement at best.
 
XLRVIII said:
What about 5000+ times?

and what makes you "THINK" it's not racing?

That's a pretty ludicrous statement at best.
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Agreed... but after watching Pro-Mods run 6.x second 1/4 mile passes at well over 200 mph at the WFC X... yeah, now that's racing!

I love it how they 'shut 'er down' right after a launch when something doesn't feel just right and they still COAST thru the quarter mile in 12 seconds... :eek:
 
and they do it with a 47-50MPH trap speed..

might have something to do with the .90-1.0 60 foot times.

I love promod!!

Those guys are insane!
 
Whatever you guys can nit pick about what you consider racing. Serge's car is close to stock. Yours is nearly stock too Tommy. JP has more mods than others. But I would not call it a race car.

Gutted interior, no AC, bone braking suspensions, etc that is called racing.

No "Racing" engine is going to last 380k miles!

Synthetic oil shines in high temperature applications, like a road-course, I don't think you have an oil temp gauge installed. But basically if you keep the oil above 300F the dino oil will break down very quickly where as the synthetic will continue to protect your engine. During regular driving the oil probably stay at less than 200F.

Call it what you want... but taking a nearly stock Mark VIII down the 1/4 mile does NOT call for synthetic oil, even though you are "racing it". Same thing as gunning it on an on ramp.
 
XLRVIII said:
We also have made 3 autocrosses here.

Funny thing about that was.. they put us in the V-8 RWD modified class.
That put us against the likes of a 68' 350 powered stingray corvette.

After the second session the finish order was

Mike Gilbert {mark 8)
Me {mark 8}
Corvette
Tiffany {mark 8 only .1 behind the vette) it was her first autocross.
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Were there any others cars in this class? Any Mustangs set up for road-courses? Slomaros?:D
 
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Ok Max, try that logic with a cop on the street.

FLY past one at 100MPH and then try to tell him..

Officer..I'm in a mark 8, it's not a race car.. so I cant be RACING.

WHATEVERRRRR DOOD
 
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maxmk8 said:
Were there any others cars in this class? Any Mustangs set up for road-courses? Slomaros?:D
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what happened to the porches?
Did you realize they "weren't V8 RWD" and edit your post?
HAHA

there were 4 cars in the class...
the 68 vette which we kicked the CRAP out of.. and our 3 lincolns.

not my fault none of your "REAL RACE CARS" didn't enter, sorry.
 
race car "n" -a fast car that competes in races

racer–"noun"
1. a person, animal, or thing that races or takes part in a race, as a racehorse, bicycle, yacht, etc. (etc COULD BE A MARK 8)
2. anything having great speed.
 
XLRVIII said:
what happened to the porches?
Did you realize they "weren't V8 RWD" and edit your post?
HAHA

there were 4 cars in the class...
the 68 vette which we kicked the CRAP out of.. and our 3 lincolns.

not my fault none of your "REAL RACE CARS" didn't enter, sorry.
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Yep I realized the porsches I mentioned have a flat 6 lol. :D So if there were 4 cars... and you finished 1st 2nd 4th... no comment. hahaha
 
XLRVIII said:
race car "n" -a fast car that competes in races

racer–"noun"
1. a person, animal, or thing that races or takes part in a race, as a racehorse, bicycle, yacht, etc. (etc COULD BE A MARK 8)
2. anything having great speed.
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Tommy, whatever man. This doesn't dictate what oil to use, which is the whole point of this discussion. You can race tires down the street with a stick... doesn't mean you need to lube it up with $5 a quart mobil 1 first :D.
 
Crawfish much?
HAHA

"you" were dictating what oil we should use.. or shouldn't use.

when you get 360,000 miles out of your mark 8.. run ONLY on dino oil..then
"get back to me"...M'kay?
 
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