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ok guys i have a huge problem yesterday i was having a pretty bad day and i was so spaced out when i noticed the low fuel level warning... not wanting to turn in the gas station i always go to cause of traffic i decided to go a few miles down the road...i get to the gas station and put 2o dollars in a hurry i always fill the tank but i was in a hurry and proceded to my destination 2 miles down the road in a red light im waiting and the mark started to sputter then i hit the gas and it was ok the next red light the same thing happend...light goes green i hit the gas and nothing so i pull in to my destination and as soon as i park a huge cloud of white smoke shot out the exaust and the mark turned off ....so i couldnt figure out what happend unti i looked at the shell gas station recipt i put 20 bucks of diesel gas instead of the 91 octane gas...i had a tow truck bring it to my house and that was that....so guys what the hell do i do o tried syphoning it out but it didint work...please help me lincoln gods...thanks;( :( ..1997 peweter mk8
 
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ok guys i have a huge problem yesterday i was having a pretty bad day and i was so spaced out when i noticed the low fuel level warning... not wanting to turn in the gas station i always go to cause of traffic i decided to go a few miles down the road...i get to the gas station and put 2o dollars in a hurry i always fill the tank but i was in a hurry and proceded to my destination 2 miles down the road in a red light im waiting and the mark started to sputter then i hit the gas and it was ok the next red light the same thing happend...light goes green i hit the gas and nothing so i pull in to my destination and as soon as i park a huge cloud of white smoke shot out the exaust and the mark turned off ....so i couldnt figure out what happend unti i looked at the shell gas station recipt i put 20 bucks of diesel gas instead of the 91 octane gas...i had a tow truck bring it to my house and that was that....so guys what the hell do i do o tried syphoning it out but it didint work...please help me lincoln gods...thanks;( :( ..1997 peweter mk8
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You may need to take the tank out. It isn't really hard.

Or you can spend...I think its $90 or so...for a siphon pump that can get most of the fuel out.
 
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OH MAN!! This is horrible. To tell you the truth I'm not sure what you can do but, you will probably need to replace the fuel pump.. flush the lines and replace the filter... and that is just for starters. That huge smoke cloud doesn't sound good. Sorry couldn't be more help, I surely hope that this whole thing didn't fry your engine but it doesn't sound too good ;( .
 
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do u guys think that there will be damage to the engine cause i looked it up and there were different instances that people did the same thing and all they had to do was remove the gas i also spoke to the tow truck driver and he said dont worry about it and the mechanic in the 24 hour parts store said the same thing ...but i trust the judgement of the lod experts ...i usually get all my service done at firestone auto center think they can help...
 
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to be honost with you, I knew one guy that put a SMALL amount of D into his tank and his engine had to be replaced. I think his insurance company covered it though.
 
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Theres a guy at my work that has a 2003 Dodge Ram, and did the exact same thing. The dealer fixed it under warrenty, but all it needed was the gas tank emptied, lines flushed, and filter changed.
 
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The nozzle on the fuel pump is different for diesel gas, how did you manage to get it in your tank?
 
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Cheetos, don't let these guys scare you! It's not that big of a deal. In the twenty-odd years I've been a tech, I've probably seen this mistake ten or twelve times.

You're obviously going to have to replace your fuel filter, and the sensing tips of your O2s are contaminated for sure. The O2s may need to be replaced, but most of the time I've seen this mistake done, a good long highway run will burn the tips clean.

The important question: how do you get the diesel out of your tank?
You don't need to drop the tank.
You don't need to buy a siphon pump.

In your '97 Mark's underhood fuse box, there's a row of relays. The end relay closest to the PCM diode is your fuel pump relay. If you remove the relay and jump the battery power pin to the fuel pump feed pin in that relay's spot, your pump will run. The key dosn't even have to be on.
On one of the fuel rails, there's a Schraeder valve (looks just like a tire valve stem; it even has a removeable core like a tire valve)) that's used to attach fuel guages or injector flushing equipment to the vehicle.

Let's use these!

Take the cap and core out of the valve on the fuel rail. Attach a long hose to it going into a bucket or drum. Jump the fuel pump relay. The fuel pump will run. Now everything in your tank will be pumped forward, out the valve, and into the bucket. It should take about 20-30 min. to empty the tank. When the diesel stops flowing, you've drained the tank to below the level of the pump pickup.
Pull your jumper out.
Pour ~2-3 gallons of clean fuel into the tank. Put your jumper back in and drain that through.
Pull your jumper out.
Replace the fuel filter now.
Re-install the relay and put the Schraeder valve back together.

Now you're ready to start the car.

Add clean gas to the tank, as much as you can. You're going to need to dilute down the diesel left in the bottom of the tank, so don't even THINK about attempting to start with fuel from just a 1 Gal. jerry can! More is better!

Let 'er rip! The engine may crank longer. It may even flood on the first attempt. It most definitely will smoke like an SOB when it starts, but it will start!
Once the engine is running smoothly, I usually do an on-car injector flush.
Run it and drive it. Watch for the MIL/"check engine" light for a few days after. Get it scanned if the light comes on.
You may need O2s.
ONCE I saw a Taurus that needed catalytic convertors about a month later.

YOU'LL BE OK!!
 
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Ditto on the you'll be OK.

We had a diesel pickup truck in our fleet at work with dual tanks years back that blew the engine. A gas engine was donated and swapped in place. All was well except the mechs forgot about the second tank! When the hapless new driver switched fuel tanks... well, you can guess what happened. No permanent damage whatsoever though, just required a drain, flush and filter.
 
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I just had to say, Frankie - it's really refreshing to see such a helpful post, instead of the gloom 'n doom "you fu*k'd up" posts! That's what make sites like this so great! John[link:www.goldengatemark8.com|Golden Gate Mark VIII Website]http://mark8.org/users/johnaec/Mark_VIII_s.jpg'97 Mark VIII LSC'96 T-Bird 4.6L
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I have to agree! Frankie has provided so much helpful info to us since he's come "on board", we ought to provide him with free membership or something. How many agree? I know that he's provided info that you'd only get by spending big bucks at the dealership. Let's hear it for Frankie!

Bud Pytko
'97 LSC Silver Frost
'92 F250 Banks TurboDiesel Bimini Blue
'92 Prowler 5th Wheel
http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/charlespytko/Lincoln/BudPytko97LSC.JPG
 
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Excellent explainantion Frankie. We have a pumps at work one gas and one diesel. Well there have been many times a salesman or driver have put the wrong stuff in a delivery truck and in the gas powered cars. Each time it had to be drained/flushed and new filters instaled, but thats it no engine work.
 
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I'm sitting in front of the computer blushing, but a little embarassed. Thanks for your comments, but I actually logged back in to correct an error in my post:

CHEETOS, ON '97 MARKS, THE PRESENCE OF THE FUEL PUMP DRIVER MODULE MAKES IT MANDATORY FOR THE IGNITION KEY TO BE "ON" WHEN THE PUMP RELAY IS JUMPED. IF YOU HAVE A SCAN TOOL CAPABLE OF "ACTIVE COMMAND", YOU CAN ALSO LOCK THE PUMP ON WITH THE SCAN TOOL.

Now, back to me! We all bring something to this group. Dave, Mark, Jerry, and people I don't even know of, have used their organizational skills to make this thing exist. They're the ones to thank. I'm just offering my knowledge and experience as my share to this community.
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong]I just had to say, Frankie - it's really refreshing to see such a helpful post, instead of the gloom 'n doom "you fu*k'd up" posts! That's what make sites like this so great! John[link:www.goldengatemark8.com|Golden Gate Mark VIII Website]http://mark8.org/users/johnaec/Mark_VIII_s.jpg'97 Mark VIII LSC'96 T-Bird 4.6L[/div]I have to agree! Frankie has provided so much helpful info to us since he's come "on board", we ought to provide him with free membership or something. How many agree? I know that he's provided info that you'd only get by spending big bucks at the dealership. Let's hear it for Frankie!Bud Pytko'97 LSC Silver Frost'92 F250 Banks TurboDiesel Bimini Blue'92 Prowler 5th Wheelhttp://myfilelocker.comcast.net/charlespytko/Lincoln/BudPytko97LSC.JPG
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Go frankie, go frankie... ;)
 
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frankie thank u so much i was so worried that i didnt know what to expect thanks alot. i want to become a member but the registration is too complicated online...so im going to go with the mail form....on another topic im 25 years old and i have had 5 cars since i started to drive 86 ford thunderchicken 94 mark white 96 mark forrest green 97 peweter mark and most recently since i got promoted at work i treated myself to a 2004 lincoln ls black on black v8, beautiful car ....my question is that besides this fuel mix up my 1997 mark i have had a s@#t load of problems with my other marks...ok first and foremost the 94 mark the door ajar problem never went away the front lights would burn out once a week the seats would work off and on and of course the air bags this on a car with 37000 miles and this was in the begining of 2000 a 6 year old car...then came the 96 forrest green mark same thing the seats worked for a month then died the horn died while honking it replaced the alternator 3 times in 6 months triple a guy knew me by name already and the tranny would slip bad this on a car thats 5 years old with 55000 miles both cars from downey lincoln mercury...then the 1997....ohhh what a car...peweter green loaded my dream car but like i said problems first the telescope steering went out then the front light then the neon light then the front seat then the sun roof and then to top it all off the air bags and i only drive like 50 miles a week and all lincolns have always came from lincoln dealers by the looks of the forums and all the problems everyone has had doesent anyone think like me or think we should complaint...just a taught i kind of think that my next car is going to be a honda... ilove lincoln but hate the quality...sorry
 
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Im glad it turned out to be a lot simpler then i thought.

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Thats why a few of us turned to the dark Side, and im likin it.
 
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Ok, I dont get it. How do you fit a diesel nozzle into a gas engine tank? It wont fit. The diesel nozzle is larger than the hole. Second. You are in a hurry and running late so you only have time to put two bucks in. How do you not notice how long it is taking to put twenty dollars worth of gas in while you are running late? Not trying to offend you. I just dont understand. I am suspect I know what is going on, but am looking for clarification.

Edit: At least you have that shiny new ls8 to drive while the mark is down. Surprised you didnt drive that in the first place.

If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?
 
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Ok, I dont get it. How do you fit a diesel nozzle into a gas engine tank? It wont fit. The diesel nozzle is larger than the hole. Second. You are in a hurry and running late so you only have time to put two bucks in. How do you not notice how long it is taking to put twenty dollars worth of gas in while you are running late? Not trying to offend you. I just dont understand. I am suspect I know what is going on, but am looking for clarification.
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I'm with you, Adam. And any insurance adjuster will ask the same questions.
 
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diesel nozzle isn't always bigger. usually maybe, but not always.

I'm surprised the car made it anywhere on diesel.
 
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