Carlisle 2007 trophy winners

Nothing against Rene's car, Moose, or anyone else's, but the black '96 probably would be defined as stock given the 3 mod rule. The 10 spoke wheels were available from what I know on '96s. The car was experiencing suspension issues which is why it appeared lowered while parked in the field. Yes, it was tinted and had Cobra badging but I don't know of any other modifications on that car.

I agree personal taste and color do prevail at peer judged show. It's tough to beat a clean black on black. While you may argue stock vs. modified, personally I think it was a fine specimen of a Mark VIII.

There was a 'stock' Rose Mist Mark VIII there as well with nice aftermarket rims that I tried to get to change his registration to 'modified'. ;)
 
You are correct, 1996 Mark VIII's were available with the ten spoke directionals. This is a 1996 Diamond Anniversary Edition with those wheels:

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This brings up a question for me.

My car came with snowflake wheels. I have 20 spoke's on it now. The 20 spokes were available in 94. Also, I have black seats from a 94 (they were originally grey).

Would these two things be considered modifications at Carlisle? I would still be at only 3 modifications but I'm just curious.
 
billcu said:
This brings up a question for me.

My car came with snowflake wheels. I have 20 spoke's on it now. The 20 spokes were available in 94. Also, I have black seats from a 94 (they were originally grey).

Would these two things be considered modifications at Carlisle? I would still be at only 3 modifications but I'm just curious.
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If you replace stock items with items that were also available as factory stock or options then it's not even considered a mod at any car show I've ever been to.

The 3 mod rule is somewhat arbitrary and always open to interpretation. For instance, supercharging your engine is only one mod but it certainly would be placed in a mod class. It's more the degree of modifications than the actual number. Many shows are very strict about mods, any change at all from stock and it's in a mod class. Many have classes reflecting degrees of modifications which always open up big "discussions" between the car owners and the judges!

By the way, is there even a 3 mod rule at Carlisle?
 
LeoC2 said:
By the way, is there even a 3 mod rule at Carlisle?
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I don't recall ever seeing it written but I believe it has always been inferred. I recall back in '04 when there was stock, modified and "super-modified" for the 1st Gen '93-'96 Mark VIII and I entered my '93 as modified.
 
LeoC2 said:
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By the way, is there even a 3 mod rule at Carlisle?
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If you were to take Mustangs into consideration, they have classes and rules down to ashtray size :) Just kidding.

Before Carlisle 2006, we took a poll asking about LM7 stock and modified and custom (http://www.lincolnsclub.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11097&highlight=stock+modified) from various BBs. Out of something like 86 results, we found that the majority of LM7s have FIVE or more modifications! For LM7s, this meant that you could have aftermarket
wheels
radio
paint
engine
and still be considered stock.

Now.
If I were to go to some regatta or concourse and pronounce the word COUPE as KU-PAY, then having just one modification would make my car modified.

I say, let the membership decide what is stock and what is modified.
 
oldschool1 said:
...Out of something like 86 results, we found that the majority of LM7s have FIVE or more modifications! For LM7s, this meant that you could have aftermarket
wheels
radio
paint
engine
and still be considered stock.

Now.
If I were to go to some regatta or concourse and pronounce the word COUPE as KU-PAY, then having just one modification would make my car modified.

I say, let the membership decide what is stock and what is modified.
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ooooh.. that's a bad idea indeed! There are always standards set so that an individual can't just make that arbitrary decision. Even your list above lists a modified car, not stock at all. But like I said, much has to do with the degree as much as the number of mods.

If an individual could decide about his own car then any highly modified car could put himself with stock in order to get a distict advantage in peer/spectator judging. There is one show I used to go to here that did just that and you have no idea of the arguments and discussions that went on all day. After the awards the arguments continued. It was just a mess and eventually most of us stopped going, it wasn't fun anymore.
 
I wish the Rosemist car and Bill's green car would have won stock. I just feel that these two cars were much more genuine stock in the first Gens, and much more deserving of a trophy. People are drawn to the bling and lowered cars, and it removes them from stock in my opinion. I think peer judging can really stink at times.

I thought just the plain 10-spoke directionals were available on Gen 1's, but not the chrome. Still learning something new every day!!

I did go along the whole row and take pictures of the cars.
 
Alexander said:
In years past modified cars have appeared in stock classes. They have an advantage over stock cars in appearance and usually place in the top three.

If I remember correctly, to be considered stock in the Carlisle rules, the car must have three or fewer modifications and must look stock.

The Carlisle registration does not inspect the cars on entry. You can register a Ford Fiesta as a Lincoln Mark VIII and the registering show staff will not know.

A complaint can be made during the show to the Carlisle staff during the show, and they will come and change the class of the car after inspection.

Possibly, to make things fairer and give guidance to registrants as to what is stock and what is modified, the show registration should have a short checklist as to modifications a car has : engine, suspension, wheels, paint, interior, window tinting.
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All true, Alexander. I had no idea one could dispute the class of a car at the showfield; I will keep that in mind for next year.

My thought was that if the wheels were not stock, this would be a major change from original towards modified in itself.

At WFC10, they even counted spark plug wires as a change, and you could only have four changes to end up in the modified class.
 
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