Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

cougarmandan

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I have a 95 Mark 8 that is just giving me fits in the air suspension. I replaced the front airbags and compressor about 2 years ago. Here a few months ago I kept burning up the compressor relay module. After replacing the compressor/dryer again (which had a leak), I still am burning up relays. I just can't figuar it out. So Maybe its time to join the dark side and buy the coil spring conversion. I just can't seam to figuar out the air ride. The only code I get is 75 when the relay goes. Check air ride after it smokes the relay seams to be the only symptom.

Let's start at the begining. I got a check air ride one day driving down the highway. I got home turned off the air ride and flipped it back on. The car seamed to be fine message went away. It would do it intermitently for a few months and finally, it went. Check Air Suspension, on when I start the car. I got out my 95 Mark VIII Factory shop manual and did all the diagnosis and came to the conclustion the relay bit the dust. I bought a new one at the dealership, installed it and presto. EVerything seams ok. About 5 weeks go by and I get a check air ride again. Comes on as soon as I start the car. I found a star tester on ebay and snaged it. I get it in and pull the code. 99-compressor run time. So I do all the tests and dianostic charts and find it has to be the relay again. I take the relay back to the dealership and they give me no hassles on warrentieeing it. THe car set out for 3 weeks while I am doing all this and the rear didn't lose any air and the front maybe settled an inch lower. After the second relay, I found the dryer had the oring pop out on the air line end. At the time I was thinking something had to have gone wrong for it to have popped out. I can only imagine some extremely high pressure situation. Also, after fixing the big oring, I noticed it was leaking where the dryer screws into the compressor. I put the big oring back in the dryer with some silicon incase it is contributin. I replace the oring on the compressor dryer union and it seams tight and leak free. It was ok for about 2 months. Then and big ice storm came and it took me a little over an hour to get home. In the last 20 minutes, the check air ride came one. So after everything thawed, I checked it and the relay was shot and it was leaking again where the dryer screws into the compressor. So I thought, "oh, simple, air leak, comprssor running too long burns up relay. SO I ordered a compressor from Bagmasters. I got a used relay-module off ebay. I put them both in today. I am getting good at putting compressors in, took all of 30 minutes to do. Anyways, I drove it about 30 minutes, everything seamed ok, parked it. All seamed well. I could hear the compressor (much quieter than the old one) kicking on and off as I exited the highway and I heard it let some air out after I got out of the car. So I assumed it was ok. I hop in it 3 hours later and with in a few seconds of starting it, the check air ride came on. I pulled the code and its 75-air compressor-relay circuit. I cleared it and restarted it and same thing. SO I already know another relay had met its demise. Any ideas if this enigma can be solve, or is it time to do what my brother keeps saying, buy a Lightning. He keeps saying, thats what you get when you buy a car with air ride. I am very frustrated with it right now. Anybody have any ideas. Since I haven't replaced the rear air bags, I thought it might be a reason, but the car sat over 3 weeks and the rear didn't budge a bit. I looked at the bags and the look smooth. When I did the fronts, they were cracked and it was easy to see. Its not jumping out like the fronts if its the problem. Another thought I had way back, early in the troubleshooting, was maybe a solinoid isn't opening up and letting the air in and the pressure get too high, compressor pulls a lot of amps and bye buy relay, maybe pops an oring her or there. I did run the star tests and they all click and let air out fine. So I am stuck. I could get some rear air bags, but if they arn't leaking, then that wouldn't solve anything, plus if I convert to springs, it would be money waisted. I was wanting a cheap and easy fix. Any ideas? Please!
 
RE: Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

You need to contact Eddie Spinks at American Air Suspension. he is a vendor listed on this site. Eddie specializes in Mark VIII's, and is a very nice guy who will gladly spend time with you on the phone, diagnosing the situation.

He also sells the coil conversion kits, so he has ya covered no matter what direction you chose to go.


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RE: Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

As you read in my air suspension trials and tribulation post, the front air bags were leaking on a part time bases. It was driving me to abstraction. This was after I replaced the relay, and the compressor.

Those solid state relays are pretty tough. Have you checked the relay connector? I'm surprised you have had so many failures.
 
RE: Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

I had a similar problem with my 95, I blew up 6 suspension bags, between front and rear, several compressors and relays until I decided I must have had a wiring/computer problem. I called StrutsRUs got their lowered kit and never looked back.
I love it, the car handles much better and I never need to worry about it.
I thought I might miss it but I can concentrate on other things rather than worry about suspension.
 
RE: Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

Well, we read it again, another MK8 owner who bought from some outfit whose service ends with the sale, probably because they really know very little about anything in the system and can't give you any advice/help when you have a problem. So you wind up spending more to try to fix the mess.
Best to go to Eddie to begin with, as not only does he rebuild the compressors, etc., he is a Ford trained air ride tech and has given advice/help to lots of MK8 owners on both boards. Think about it, wouldn't it be smarter to go to Eddie to start off? Let alone, a helluva lot fairer to Eddie to let hom have the sale if he's gonna give the advice/help.
 
RE: Crazy Air Suspension is drving me nutz

I went to my buddy at the dealership that has lots and lots of experience with air suspensions. He told me to check the connector at the relay and the compressor. Well, I checked the relay connector and it looks good. He also had me pop the trunk and he put his calf against the car and sat on the edge and the trunk and he could feel the rear air bags leaking. THen he had me do it. SO I put new rear air bags on today. I still have one problem. The compressor won't come on. I thought I had blown another relay so my buddy at the dealership had a drawer full of them and he gave me one. I put it on and still no compressor. I guess I will be doing some more work tomorrow.

The Star tester is coming up code 75-Compressor-relay circuit. I guess I will keep on tring to find whats not working.
Anyone know what conditions will trip this code?
 
Air suspension now driving me around town!

Air suspension now driving me around town!

I pulled the compressor back out and cleaned the plug on it. Then I pulled the relay plug off. I tired jumping it and was having some difficutly so I figuared I might have a problem there. I removed the wires and the tabs weren't making good contact with the tabs of the relay. My buddy at teh dealership said that when they don't make good contact like that, they get real hot and draws a lot of amperage and that's probaly why I went through so many relays. So, I cleaned everything eventhough it look pretty shinny and clean, and I bent the tabs back so it makes good contact. I turned on the air suspension and click, the compressor kicked right on. I drove it around town a coule hours this morning and everything appears to be back to 100%.
 
RE: Air suspension now driving me around town!

RE: Air suspension now driving me around town!

STOP REPLACING THE RELAYS! You are wasting money because you can re-use them. Unplug the wiring harness and plug it into one of your old ones. When that one goes plug it back into the original. The relay isn't the real problem, just a symptom.
Even better: Turn the switch in the trunk off and on about 10 times in a row. Eddie told me to do that. It resets something and now I don't have to swap relays. (I just zip-tied a second relay to the first so I didn't have to physically remove anything.)
You can also swap out the relay with the anti-lock relay on the other side of the car. Even if it won't handle the compressor it can work the brakes.

I have a similar intermittant problem that I am thinking may be the computer. I've been putting off buying a new one due to the expense, but I don't have any leaks that I can tell, all new bags, new compressor, and it still gives me a suspension light at some point almost every time I drive it. It will air up and stay that way a long time so I can use the car. Even when I turn the suspension off it gives me a check air ride light, along with the air suspension off light. Weird.

BTW, I can also vouch for Eddie.
 
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