Got caught speeding on NJTP

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steve

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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/willy_nilly.gif I think I am going to need a lawyer. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/willy_nilly.gif
I was going south in the left lane of the car lanes between exit 12 and 11 of the new Jersey Turnpike. The State Trooper (who was in an un-marked beige crown vic with tinted windows, very sneeky) said he was all the way over in the truck lane when he seen me and shot the front of the Vette with the laser at 100 MPH (in 65 mph zone). Now I know I was speeding, it was just a short burst on a straight part of the highway and the road was clear (remember he got me across 7 lanes of traffic and shoulders). I did not see him, but from were he said he was he got to me very quick, and when he did I was just going with the flow of traffic. He told me he seen me hulling ass (i did hit 125 mph) and did not know if I was testing this thing out or what, then asked me why I was doing 100 mph. Said I was on my way to work, and like he said was just testing her out on a clear straight part of the highway. No sense of BSing him. However I did not say that there was this V12 MB AMG on my six and I just wanted to flex my American muscle http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/patriot.gif not like we were racing, but the MB did the same thing I did once he cleared traffic, I was just out in front.
Now my problem is not the speeding ticket, but he gave me careless driving as well. I don't think I deserved that since it was clear straight road and it was for just a very short duration with no cars around me. The court I have to go to is Woodbridge, NJ. My recorded was clean before this with zero points.
On a lighter note he did not say anything about not having a front plate.

This is what it looks like I am looking at right now:

Speeding 5 points $260
Careless 2 points and $85 (since the trooper did not mark in a 65 mph zone on the ticket they said it is not doubled).

The state of NJ surcharge for over 6 points is $175

Total 7 points and $520

This all won't be verified until the tickets get into the courts computers.

My car insurance should not go up with NJM, I have had them for 10 years, never had a claim and they did not surcharge me for my ticket 7 years ago.

If I go on my own a plead my case and get the points for the careless dropped then I won't have the state of NJ surcharge. So I will be looking at $260 and 5 points, and maybe a fine for an amending the Careless driving.
I can scout out the court and see how DA and judge are and go it alone and try to save some money. Or play it safe a pay for a lawyer (about $500).
 
RE: Got caught speeding on NJTP

OUCH! :eek:

Laser or Radar?(just curious)

If it were me, I'd pay a lawyer. I'm thinking the probable reduction of points is worth it big time. It may end up costing more overall but you should end up with less points and no surcharge. I'm not sure how NJ does the fines/points but if it's anything like PA and other surrounding states it's all about the money. You may even be able to plea bargain in some driving school in lieu of points as well. Of 'course that costs money too... and they know it.

At least it was a unmarked tinted Crown Vic... I hate those unmarked tinted F-bodies! :B
 
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Laser, not much you can do there even with detector it can be too late.
 
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Laser, not much you can do there even with detector it can be too late.
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True, just enough warning so you can slow down to pull over and not be charged with evading the law. :+
 
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Steve, sorry to hear that. Good luck getting the ticket reduced.

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Lets see. He was driving the opposite direction as you, you're going 100mph, he's probably going 65mph, so that’s a 165mph approach mph and he's driving and trying to aim at your license plate at the same time. I dunno, but I think a good lawyer could get you off. Laser has such a narrow "shot" that the aiming is critical.

Did you see that video that Ponyfreak posted? The ones where the cameraman was standing along side the road and trying to film the Viper. I don't think he could even catch the action and he wasn't driving at the same time.

There was a time that laser wouldn't work through a windshield. Not sure if that's still true. I can remember reading that a cop aiming a laser usually is out of his car and aiming carefully.


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Sorry to hear it Steve, but you had to have a Vette.... :p

We don't have points here, so I don't know.
 
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I think for the laser to work he needs to be parked. I any event i think i need the lawyer, i just read the NJ surcharge is for three years.
 
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find out what room you get, Check out the judge out see how he acts some judges are harder on cops ...You mite get out of it without a laywer.
My wife did.
 
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Steve knows about Chicago cops and tickets. }(
 
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And strip clubs :7
 
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And bouncers.:p
 
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He told me he seen me hulling ass (i did hit 125 mph) and did not know if I was testing this thing out or what, then asked me why I was doing 100 mph. Said I was on my way to work, and like he said was just testing her out on a clear straight part of the highway. No sense of BSing him. However I did not say that there was this V12 MB AMG on my six and I just wanted to flex my American muscle. Now my problem is not the speeding ticket, but he gave me careless driving as well. I don't think I deserved that since it was clear straight road and it was for just a very short duration with no cars around me.
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Ummm...speeding?...yes.
Careless driving?...yes

Guilty on all counts?....definately

Hire a lawyer? why not? it's your money.


The thing that really gets to me is, when people break the law, and get caught, they always want to know why the cop wrote them a ticket for something other than the speeding?

I'll tell you why-because they are paid to. There is no citation for "costing other motorists on the road MORE money every year for insurance because we are at risk from drivers who feel they can just "flex their muscles" when they want to"...so they renamed it "careless driving".

Furthermore, when all these tickets get added up, they realize there are people out there who continue to break traffic LAWS, therefore we need MORE cops on duty patrolling these roads...well Steve...guess who pais their salary? WE do. You will pay a fine(and a lawyer), and the state will realize that sure, there are still (explative) people out there who take things into their own hands, and decide "screw it, I am going to save my pride and get on the go-pedal infront of this MBZ...why not?

I'll tell you why...because even if you can afford it, the rest of us cant.

You break the law, you get caught, you pay the consequences. I'd a writted you a ticket for "operating vehicle while stupid"...but I am not a cop, and there is no V.C for that.

Sorry for the rant, but you opened the door with this thread, and like flying down the NJTP at a buck 25, you asked for it.


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I hate it when people come in and say "you're guilty, you deserve what you get".

Well, maybe that's true, but so f'n what. It's not like half of the rest of us haven't gone 125 in our cars. It's fun. And if you're not whipping through traffic and doing other stupid things, it's not all that unsafe. It's certainly not 7 points unsafe, when blowing a stop sign without slowing down is 3 points.

Most people, when they get a ticket for doing something like that, have no problem paying a few hundred bucks in fines. It's paying extra car insurance, taking stupid classes, and getting hit with other BS like the 7 point surcharge Steve mentioned, that's the problem. It's one offense, it should be one charge and one penalty.
 
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This is where you and I totally disagree.

Laws are in place for your safety, and the safety of those around you. Deliberate infractions deserve punishment.

Hell, he's lucky they didnt suspend his license, impound his car, and slap a jail term on him, like they do in California for wreckless driving(90+ mph).

You say "so F'n what?"...I say...book 'em Dano.

My opinion, Dave...he asked for it, he got it. If he doesnt want to hear it, dont write the thread.

BTW, kid drives down the street in his Honduh at 3:30am, e-brakes a nice "drift" around the corner, never coming close to anyone, or anything, and blasts off down the street at 70 mph...would you let him slide if you were a cop, and caught him?


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I hate it when people come in and say "you're guilty, you deserve what you get".Well, maybe that's true, but so f'n what. It's not like half of the rest of us haven't gone 125 in our cars. It's fun. And if you're not whipping through traffic and doing other stupid things, it's not all that unsafe. It's certainly not 7 points unsafe, when blowing a stop sign without slowing down is 3 points.Most people, when they get a ticket for doing something like that, have no problem paying a few hundred bucks in fines. It's paying extra car insurance, taking stupid classes, and getting hit with other BS like the 7 point surcharge Steve mentioned, that's the problem. It's one offense, it should be one charge and one penalty.
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Ah yes, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, if you never broken a traffic law (not just been caught) then rant all you want.

If you were on a clear straight stretch of highway on a nice day and opened her up for a nice spirited sprint raise your hand!

From people who have gotten similar tickets they said the careless will be most likely thrown out even without a lawyer. They said it most of the time it is automatically added on when you go above a certain amount of the speed limit. I am still debating the lawyer, it will come down to the lawyer cost. It will be just like having insurance by taking a lawyer. The municipality just wants their money and I know I have to pay that, so I am ok. It is just the points and surcharges that are BS.
 
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You break the law, you get caught, you pay the consequences. I'd a writted you a ticket for "operating vehicle while stupid"...but I am not a cop, and there is no V.C for that. [/div]

Little harsh, ain't it Craig?

What 'bout comparing it to all the DWI 3 time repeat offenders STILL driving without a license and no insurance? They don't raise my rates and enforcement costs? x( BS, it's about the money, plain and simple. The 'stupids' are still out there, but they don't have any money to pay insurance 'cause they used it buying Jack and crack. xo

Meanwhile, an otherwise law abiding citizen pays fines/penalties through the nose, pays months/years of higher insurance rates(if they keep him) and has to sit beside some moron in driving school listening to someone who couldn't drive their way out of a wet paper bag. ::grrr::

Whew! :D I feel better now! :7 Hey, where's my 'raising hand' smiley?
 
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This is where you and I totally disagree.Laws are in place for your safety, and the safety of those around you. Deliberate infractions deserve punishment.Hell, he's lucky they didnt suspend his license, impound his car, and slap a jail term on him, like they do in California for wreckless driving(90+ mph).You say "so F'n what?"...I say...book 'em Dano.
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This, my friend, is why I will never, ever live in commiefornia. I'd consider a visit, but it'd be my luck that the big earthquake the rest of this country so desperately needs would drop california into the ocean while i'm there.

I'm all about personal freedom. If he were on a residential street going 55 over it would be a different story. This is open highway, where in many countries there is no speed limit and accident rates are lower than they are here. In this case, the law is most definitely not there to protect us, it's there to control us.

If we can't ever open it up and enjoy the drive, we might as well send all our cars to the crusher and send our car payments to the government so they can build mass transportation systems to herd us around like the sheep you seem to want us to be.
 
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Yeah, didn't see Steve saying anything about it being unfair, just wanted to know the best way to resolve the issues. Didn't realize that on top of fines and penalties, someone who breaks the law deserves a tongue lashing.

I don't understand the careless driving charge either. There are fines for speeding, and at least around here, it depends on the amount over the speed limit, so isn't that figured in? I thought careless driving was more like anything else which isn't covered specifically.
 
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