keypad problem.

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weird problem...

every morning or for a long period of time.. (a few hours) when i try to use the keypad it doesnt work. no lights, no nothing. then when i use the key and open the door there are no dome lights. like the batt is completely dead. but then i put the key into the ign. and the car starts right up. and everything works as it should. it will continue to work as it should for a while after that. keypad, lights work, exc. then a little while later it will act up again.. any ideas whats wrong?

thanks in advance.
 
RE: keypad problem.

Weird... sounds like a problem with the RKE(Remote Keyless Entry) module and its Battery Saver Function.

Start with the basics and check for blown fuses. Do your remotes work? Do your door switches work?

From the manual...

How The Circuit Works


The Remote/Keyless Entry Module controls the following features:
1. Door lock/unlock feature

2. Luggage compartment, unlock feature

3. Automatic door lock feature

4. Arm, disarm, activate and deactivate anti-theft system

5. Panic alarm feature

6. Illuminated entry feature

7. Battery saver feature

Door Lock/Unlock Feature

The doors may be locked or unlocked using the door lock switches, Keyless Entry Keypad Switch Assembly or the transmitter. When the door lock switch is held toward lock, ground is applied to the 119 (PK/Y) circuit. The RKE module then applies voltage to the 117 (PK/BK) circuit, causing the door lock motors to lock the doors. When the door lock switch is held toward unlock, ground is applied to the RKE module via the 120 (PK/LG) circuit. The RKE module then applies voltage to the 118 (PK/O) circuit, causing the door lock motors to unlock the doors.

Entering the factory permanent code or the owner's alternate code causes the RKE module to apply voltage to the driver's door lock motor via circuit 163 (R/O). Pressing the 3/4 button within 5 seconds causes the RKE module to apply voltage to circuit 118 (PK/O), causing the door lock motors to unlock the passenger door.

Pressing the transmitter unlock button causes the RKE module to apply voltage to the driver's door lock motor via circuit 163 (R/O). Pressing the transmitter unlock button a second time within 5 seconds causes the RKE module to apply voltage to circuit 118 (PK/O), causing the door lock motors to unlock the passenger door.

Luggage Compartment Unlock

The luggage compartment may be locked or unlocked using the door lock switches, door keypad or the transmitter. Pressing the door keypad 5/6 button within 5 seconds of unlocking the driver's or passenger's door, causes the RKE module to apply voltage to the 84 (P/Y) circuit, causing the module to unlock the luggage compartment. Pressing the transmitter TRUNK button once (twice on some vehicles) causes the RKE module to apply voltage to the trunk release solenoid via the 84 (P/Y) circuit.

Automatic Door Lock Feature

The automatic door lock autolock feature allows the RKE module to automatically lock the doors when the following conditions are met:
1. Autolock feature is activated.

2. Driver's seat is occupied.

3. All doors are closed.

4. Ignition switch is in RUN.

5. Gear selector passes through REVERSE.

Autolock activation or deactivation is accomplished by performing the following steps:
1. Enter the permanent five digit code into the keypad.

2. Press and hold the 7/8 button within 5 seconds of performing step 1, while still holding the 7/8 button.

3. Press and release the 3/4 button within 5 seconds of performing step 2, while still holding the 7/8 button.

4. Release the 7/8 button within 5 seconds of performing step 3.

When the Ignition switch is in ACC or RUN, voltage is applied to the RKE module via the 296 (W/P) circuit. When the driver's seat is occupied, ground is applied to the RKE module via the 177 (W) circuit. When all doors are closed, the ground signal is removed from the 627 (BK/O) circuit. If all of the above conditions are met, the RKE module looks for a momentary ground on the reverse input via the 140 (BK/PK) circuit. When the RKE module sees this signal, it momentarily applies voltage to the door lock motors via the 117 (PK/BK) circuit. The door lock motors then lock the doors. Also, after the above autolock operation, all the doors will be relocked whenever the passenger door is opened and then closed. The doors would not be relocked if either the ignition is off at the time, or the driver's seat switch is open for 3 seconds or more while the door is open.

Theft Deterrent Control
The RKE module can arm, disarm, activate and deactivate the anti-theft system. The RKE module is tied to the theft deterrent wiring so that when operation of the door locks is requested, the anti-theft module interprets these signals and behaves just as if the system was being controlled manually.

Panic Alarm Feature

When the PANIC button on the RKE transmitter is pressed, the RKE module applies a pulsing ground signal to the 6 (Y/LG) circuit and pulsing voltage signal to the 218 (W/P) circuit. This forces the horns to beep and exterior lamps to flash. The RKE module will continue this action for a maximum of 3 minutes, or until PANIC is pressed again, or the IGNITION is turned on.

Illuminated Entry Feature

The illuminated entry feature may be activated by lifting a door handle or by pressing any transmitter key. When either of these is performed, the RKE module applies battery voltage to the interior lamps and keyhole illumination lamps via the 53 (BK/LB) circuit for 25 seconds, provided the ignition switch is off. Turning the ignition switch on will turn the interior lamps immediately off.

Battery Saver Feature

The Battery Saver function provides a 45 minute time-out of the interior lamps and other courtesy lamps (trunk, engine compartment, vanity, map, and glove box after the ignition is switched off. This feature will prevent battery drainage if doors are left open or if either the courtesy lamps are left on or their switches are bad. The 45-minute timer can be restarted either by pulling a front door handle, using the keypad or a transmitter, or opening any door or the trunk. Turning the ignition on prevents the Battery Saver from timing out, providing continuous power to the courtesy lamp circuits.

The trunk switch will only restart the 45-minute Battery Saver Timer one time after the time-out has occurred. Further activation of the switch after the second 45-minute time-out will be ignored unless the vehicle's ignition is turned on and then off. This feature will prevent drainage of the battery under two potential scenarios:
1. When the trunk lamp switch is bad (stuck closed), or

2. When shipping the vehicle at an angle causes the switch to repeatedly open and close.

Transmitter Programming

Before any of the REMOTE features will operate, the RKE module must be programmed to accept signals from the transmitters. The RKE module may be programmed to accept signals from up to four transmitters. The following steps must be performed in order to program or reprogram the RKE module to respond to the selected transmitters.
1. Put the ignition switch in RUN or ACCY and momentarily jumper the two program connector terminals. The system will respond by locking and then unlocking all doors.

2. Press any button on the transmitter. All doors will lock and then unlock to verify transmitter signal acceptance.

3. Repeat step 2 in order to program the RKE module to accept up to four transmitter signals.

4. Turn the ignition switch to OFF. All doors will then lock and unlock.

5. Operate a button on each transmitter to verify that the system has been programmed successfully.

REFERENCE :For diagnostic information, refer to « Section 01-14B » of the Service Manual.
 
RE: keypad problem.

the remote/switches are all fine. however, my alam doesnt work. the ainti theft light does turn on and stays lit. its supposed to flash right? it only flashes when the door is unlocked.

2. im not sure the system is the cars origonal. it is a 2 button transmitter. the 1st button locks/unlocks the car. the 2nd is a car starter.

oh, and where is this controll box located?

thanks in advance.
 
RE: keypad problem.

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LH side of trunk, behind wheel well.

It does not sound like the remotes are OEM.
 
RE: keypad problem.

thanks for the info.

this morning, i tried the keypad again, and no suprise... it didnt work. so i opened the door... no suprise... no dome light. i opened the trunk and pulled the cover away a little to get at the controll box, and started wiggling the connections. the antenna wire was a little corroded, i unplugged it, cleaned it, and when i plugged it back in, the dome lights turned on!? did it just happen then, or does that wire have anything to do with the box other then reception? at least i think its an antenna wire. think i just hit somthing, and it worked?
 
RE: keypad problem.

ok. still having a problem. the car also has a remote starter. this wasnt an option on the car was it? could this have somthing to do with it? i still think its the whole controll box, because if i hit the box it fixes everything.::wtf::
 
RE: keypad problem.

No, remote start wasn't a factory option, and depending on the installer, it could've been a hack job that is interfering with the RKE system. But it could still be the control box or connections.

EDIT: After re-reading this, I think the Battery Saver Feature is kicking in. Something in the RKE circuit is not right and power is being drawn past the alloted time. You are seeing it 'come back to life' after it resets. It could be a switch somewhere or the aftermarket remote start. Sometimes this is also caused by improper installation of aftermarket alarm systems as well.
 
RE: keypad problem.

if it was a problem with the remote start, then why would it work fine after hitting the controll box? lol. sorry for the car violence.

thanks in advance.
 
RE: keypad problem.

I think you may be over anylizing this problem. I think after you first try to open up the car, there is not enough amperage to overcome the battery terminal resistance, but when you start the car up, a spark jumps enough to start the car and afterward it either dries the connection out or it does not need the battery, since the generator (alternator) takes over. Since, I have been told that the original battery ternimals are not so good, (I still have mine) the first thing I would check is the terminals. When the resistance is high, especially in the morning when it could be a little moist out, the resistance between the battery and the terminal straps could be changed. After that first kick of energy, it may dry out the connections enough to get you through the day. So, before I went all around town with this, I would check the connections at the battery with a meter first - while you are having the problem, and that includes the wires at the connectors themselves. See if you are getting +12 - 13 volts. Test from a good chassis ground (the green ground screw is fine) and the battery + connector, and then the + post of the battery. See if there is a difference.
 
RE: keypad problem.

actually i ended up finding the problem. my factory sterio always had power going to it. it wasnt just a little for the memory. it was enough to kick in the batt. saver. installed an after market sterio, great sound, and no more problems.
 
RE: keypad problem.

Ok I think I found the problem that causes this, My ignition switch has a little bit of looseness to it and you have to make sure it is all the way off. it worked on mine
 
RE: keypad problem.

to tell you the truth after thinking about this...

it could be anything in the car. if its causing a powerdrain then it could be causing this. you just have to do the test light test and pull fuses until you find the problem. mine was the radio. (which after installing after market radio, everything was fixed) yours is the ign. other peoples are switches. once the batt saver kicks in it does this. so you basically have to trace it yourself. could be a power drain anywhere.
 
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