LMS or Dennis?

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I don't get it. The LOD actively looks for sponsors, you get one, http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/images/sponsors/reinhart_small.gif , then the Chairman of the club posts information suggesting this sponsor is less than honest. [/div]

President, but it's not like it matters.

I don't have anything to do with the advertising. And i make no claims about Dennis' products or services, as i have never done business with him. However, as club president i'm responsible to the members, not the advertisers. I want to make sure the members have all the information to make an informed decision.

Many people have been satisfied with Dennis' work, but many have also been dissatisfied.
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote [/strong] President, but it's not like it matters.[/div] That's funny, the home page says [link:mark8.org/lod/contactus.htm|"Chairman Of The Board"]. Maybe you should demand a raise. :)

edit: I see the Chairman's job is vacant. I skipped over that in my haste. Sorry.

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I don't get it. The LOD actively looks for sponsors, you get one, http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/images/sponsors/reinhart_small.gif , then the Chairman of the club posts information suggesting this sponsor is less than honest[/div]

Yeah... well... also criticism or praise of vendors belongs in the Consumers Vendor Review forum but for some reason this personal vendetta is being allowed to continue.
 
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I don't see this as a personal vendetta. A person asked about some people and it would be completely irresponsible to just not answer because it should be in a different forum. That mokes no sense.
I know all about the really bad one of the 2 that were asked about and that is firsthand. I don't know much about the other that isn't completely hearsay. I also know the people that have posted on the webpage that was linked about Dennis and that is all the firsthand truth from actual customers. Just like my problem was.
How can anyone of reasonable conscience say that we shouldn't be sharing our experiences with others? If a person deserves a good reputation then it will come and will stand. If a person buys or cons their way into a reputation then it will be fragile and eventually fail. Why, because people talk. As well they should. If a person has good customer service and deserves a good reputation then they wouldn't have to send people running to do cleanup. They wouldn't have to be always watching their tail. They would be going and doing the things that make that great reputation and further it.
If a person has to sit at a computer and watch the internet to see who is saying what bad things about him today and try to maintain a fleet of lemmings to run around try to discredit the bad by saying nice things about him then he is focusing his energy in the wrong direction. If a person has to hire lawyers to try to silence people... Well, that right there speaks volumes. Isn't it cheaper and easier to take care of the customer in the first place? But, to do that, you first have to be capable of doing that. Hmmmm
If you work your hardest to please your customers and always do your best then the problems will be small and the rewards huge. Anyone doing anything else has their priorities screwed up and deserves the fallout that inevitably and eventually will come back to bite them in the butt.
This is all just general observations on business. If it applies to anyone in particular then somoene really needs to go look themself in a mirror to see the true root of all their grief.
 
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By the way, I went on that site too. I posted four to five times with good reviews and each time the posts were deleted. That, along with the fact that the person setting it up has gone to such lengths to hide his identity, speaks volumes. I am still appalled that the posts are allowed to continue, this person is so sneaky as to hide his identy (I suspect competitors) the LOD should not be endorsing this.
 
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The person who set that site up has every right to want to keep his identity private. I don't know who it is and I don't want to know, but I applaud him. It takes guts to stand up to a bully. Dennis likes to sic lawyers on anyone that has bad things to say about him. He threatened to shut down 2 or 3 whole automotive forums because they continued to let people say anything negative about him.
Yeah, nice guy... Let's silence free speech and take away places where people of common interest join together to share, learn and get to know each other. If you can keep them seperated then they can't talk about you, right?
Answer me this, if he is so great, why is this discussion even taking place? I don't see this scale of determination to speak up about other vendors. I mean people flock to a Dennis Reinhart thread to share their experiences and opinions. I freely admit that I see negative things about everyone now and then. It's inevitable that if you do business you won't be able to please everyone, but come on. Whole internet sites being created and so much hostility from people from all over who don't know each other all pointed at one man...
Why? Does it make sense? Do you think that we all just sat at a donut shop or something and decided to pick on the guy? Think about it, there has to be a better real reason for all of this.
I have said all that I need to as long as nobody puts up a post to attempt to discredit or silence my opinion from my own personal experiences. If that happens, I have the right to and will answer. I honestly was going to just leave this with what I said in my first post and I was trying to be very nice. This matter is very close to my heart and I don't want other unknowing potential customers going in unprepared. If it were insignifigant, I wouldn't waste my time. If it were an unfounded "vendetta", I would have no part of it. If you knew me, you would realize how it is absolutely against my character to speak badly about anyone behind their back so to speak. If I have something to say, it is always to the person if it is unfavorable. This man has stretched my limits past the breaking point and that has only ever happened maybe twice.
Just so you know, I used to support Dennis. I laid my butt and whatever reputation I had on the line for him and I am still suffering for that.
This is about my experience and my opinion. I have the right to talk about it, and I have and will keep it as short and nice as I can. All I am asking is just for people to think about why there is such a stink over one vendor.
Why?
 
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I bet you could create a site like that about Ford, GM, or Chrysler any day of the week.

It doesn't mean those are crappy companies.

But i'd still want to check out the forum before i spent my money.

I find it interesting that good reviews were deleted when the name of the site is "truth about reinhart"
 
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I bet you could create a site like that about Ford, GM, or Chrysler any day of the week.It doesn't mean those are crappy companies.But i'd still want to check out the forum before i spent my money.I find it interesting that good reviews were deleted when the name of the site is "truth about reinhart"
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Since that could take away from the impact of what I had to say in my post, I need to respond.
I don't know about any posts being deleted and I don't agree with that happening anywhere. It happens regurlarly on any site that the person we are talking about has any hand in. It has happened to my posts, so I know for absolute sure that is happens. On top of that, you get banned. That sucks. It is censorship and isn't fair no matter where it happens. If someone can civilly come into a thread and discuss their opinion then it should be allowed to stand. No matter what the opinion, they should not be erased. It is rude and wrong.
If we are to compare this dealer to Ford, GM or Chrysler then we need also to compare the volume of customers. Those are multi-billion dollar companies. Yes, they will have customers that are unhappy and cannot be made so. That is a part of doing business as I stated above. What I want you to think about is the percentage and the vehemency with which the disgruntled customers from this infinitesimal, by comparison, businessman pop up compared to the big three that you mentioned above. If those companies had that percentage of outraged customers then there would be a governmental investigation and we would be watching it on TV.
This man sent me emails and called me or repeatedly told me when I called him about how he was being bullied and mistreated by some organization of followers of another party. At first he had me fooled. He asked me to step in and post on his behalf and I did. Why? Because I had never had a bad dealing with him. That quickly changed.
My hope and reason for being here right now is that others don't get caught in the same trap. Before you give in to the propaganda, ask yourself this. Why would any honest company have to beg people to plead their case for them? Why would any honest business of this size have so many "out to get him"?
Again I ask, does it make sense? Why would I waste my time and risk getting banned on sites if it wasn't worth it to let people know?
Like I said, the reason I am here is because of how I was treated and I don't want others to suffer the same. Maybe if I do my part as everyone else should, one of 2 things might happen. He may clean up his act and let his business run on its own merit. Or, he may continue to play the tricks and operate in the fashion that he is now and eventually enough people will have had enough.
I don't care which it is. What I care about is doing my part to make sure other people don't end up in the same boat that I did.
 
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Hey Guys:

I think this thread should end here as there is little more we all could say or learn. I am not a silencer but a member who believes that enough is enough!!
 
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I agree.
But actually, I think that this is the most civil thread on this subject that there has ever been though. LOL
The guys here seem to have enough class not to revert to name calling and such. It is nice to see and I appreciate it greatly. That is the way it should be.
Take care
Darrin
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote [/strong] President, but it's not like it matters.[/div] That's funny, the home page says [link:mark8.org/lod/contactus.htm|"Chairman Of The Board"]. Maybe you should demand a raise. :)edit: I see the Chairman's job is vacant. I skipped over that in my haste. Sorry.http://members.tccoa.com/lastmrk/Images/lastmrk2.jpg
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If they had a chairman, then they'd have to address the DR advertising issue you brought up earlier.

It's just easier this way...
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong]I don't get it. The LOD actively looks for sponsors, you get one, http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/images/sponsors/reinhart_small.gif , then the Chairman of the club posts information suggesting this sponsor is less than honest[/div]Yeah... well... also criticism or praise of vendors belongs in the Consumers Vendor Review forum but for some reason this personal vendetta is being allowed to continue.
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Personal?

How many "personal vendettas" have to exist before the guy is considered a public menace?

The guy has a website dedicated to him with over 20 members.
 
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By the way, I went on that site too. I posted four to five times with good reviews and each time the posts were deleted. That, along with the fact that the person setting it up has gone to such lengths to hide his identity, speaks volumes. I am still appalled that the posts are allowed to continue, this person is so sneaky as to hide his identy (I suspect competitors) the LOD should not be endorsing this.
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That's because it is a complaint site.

The same reason one wouldn't submit a positive claim to ripoffreport.com...they don't take positive feedback.
 
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By the way, I went on that site too. I posted four to five times with good reviews and each time the posts were deleted. That, along with the fact that the person setting it up has gone to such lengths to hide his identity, speaks volumes. I am still appalled that the posts are allowed to continue, this person is so sneaky as to hide his identy (I suspect competitors) the LOD should not be endorsing this.
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I don't know you Leo, but I've seen some "interesting" postings about you on this site.

It might call your own credibility into question...
 
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I don't think we need to get personal in this. I truly hope this thread remains civil and moreover that it simply remains. All too often these threads get too heated and the remarks get too personal and the thread gets deleted. I don't want it going anywhere. It doesn't do anyone any good service if this gets locked or deleted.
I think that most of what needs to be said has been, but we do need to stick to the topic and not turn attention to the people posting within it. If they have ulterior motives, I am sure that everyone can figure that out on his or her own.

Take care
Darrin
 
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I don't know you Leo, but I've seen some "interesting" postings about you on this site.It might call your own credibility into question...
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WOAH!! You're right, you don't know me and conveniently ignore the facts and you obviously enjoy rumor mongering. This is now another personnal attack and quite against the ROC. Whoever you are you seem to be on quite a mission to destroy Dennis and not allow any views that are contrary to your own. Frankly I'm amazed that Dennis has been gentleman enough to ignore you here. I'm sure this is all "sponsored" by a competitor of Dennis'.

Mods, this one is an easy call...
 
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Okay I have gone throught this thread and removed some stuff that was removed before and got posted on here.

For The last time

IF YOU WANT TO POST INFORMATION ABOUT VENDORS LIKE THIS IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE FORM OF A VENDOR REVIEW. ANYMORE OF THIS AND IT WILL DELETED ON THE SPOT BY ME PERSONALLY. PLEASE KEEP REVIEWS BOTH GOOD AND BAD IN THE VENDOR REVIEW AREA ONLY.
 
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