Mark IX or Mark X (didn't know where to put this post)

mag1119

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If this is the wrong place, I'm sure you'll correctly place it for me. My question is this: for those of us who have seen previews of the proposed next generation or concept cars, which is your preference(Mark IX or X) and why? I'll save my opinion for after there are some replies. Thanks.

Mark G./ Atlanta:D
 
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I like the design of the Mark X better.

I also like it because it's a convertible.
 
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both are nice and have their strong/weak points.

If I had to pick one it would be the Mark X. Just looks a little more sporty to me.
 
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Bud, I'm with you. I think the IX is forward looking and thinking, and perhaps a convertible could be offered as an option. The X reminds me TOO much of the T-Bird retro. I hope keeping the Mark as a FULL SIZE luxury coupe is the way to go, there are more than enough two seat roadsters already.! We want to stand out not just blend in.:)! Although the back seat of the Mark VIII isn't the biggest in the world, I prefer its' design to none at all.;)
 
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Dear John,
I'm sure there will be plenty of fans of both designs. I have a question maybe you would be able to answer for me. I was just over at the Luxury in Motion website and they have a more frontal view of the Mark X. The new (Lincoln) grills are reminiscent of the '63 Continental, and I noticed that the T-Bird retro (Ugh!! I hate retro in some forms!!) is grilled from the same era. Could it be Ford's design team is working at/on both projects? And if so, again comes my argument for the IX. If it didn't work ('60's retro, 2 seat coupe, smaller -like so many other roadsters out there) then, what makes them think it'll fly now? I know FMC planned only a short run for the T-Bird, and the Bond movie didn't hurt (didn't help either IMHO) but my reading of the tea leaves says they ended it even shorter than planned. I know Detroit is going through some pains now, but I can imagine (read: hope) they would see better margins on the seemingly larger vehicle(IX). Or in a real convoluted twist, they put it out for us to send some input. My thinking remains that when the new Mark arrives (in whichever form)it will be us previous Lincoln owners and fans, especialy of the Mark series that would be among its' most ardent fans and purchasers.:)
 
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Hey Bud,
I just posted and then re-read your comments. The Mark X DOES look like a rework of the T-Bird. If it didn't work once, I don't think it'll fly again. Perhaps they think they can save money by not having to retool if it is a T-Bird redo.;)
 
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To be honest we will never see either of these cars IMO. I am sure the design team worked on both X and the T-Bird. IMO the IX just doesn't do it looks wise. The X while being only a 2-seater has a more flowing look to it. Honestly I feel that the last of the mark line 93-98 was the best looking luxury sport cars out there at the time. If they played their cards right with it they would /could have sold many more then they did. I think it would be hard for them to come back out with something comparable today. They had the look just right IMO with the Gen2 Marks. Yeah they could have made some improvements, but the look was right on.

I dont see Lincoln coming back out with the Mark line in car form anytime soon. They seem to be doing a better job with the luxury SUV's these days. I think they are focusing on revamping the Aviator body style making look more and compete more with the mid-size SUV's from MB,BMW,and Lexus. I don't know how the Mark LT is doing for them, but I have seen a few on the roadways here in NY. The Navi is doing great and they just added some nice features not to long ago like folding runner boards, power rear gate and seats. Ford seems to be lineing Jaguar up where the Lincoln brand use to be and while they still have a few car brands under Lincoln, they seem to be pushing the SUV's more.
 
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John,
Other than disagreeing with you over the choice of IX or X:D I think deep down inside you are very right about the direction Lincoln is being taken. I just hope (for America's sake) that at some point in Detroit's history they do more listening than trying to push product down our throats. I am a personal fan of the Aviator, but it hasn't appeared to do as well as planned. That may be because they over expected from it, but who's to say? It has Lincoln luxury, but maybe a nudge in the way of performance may help it - especially where they have it positioned. Navi is and Navi is!! Right now it is one of the standards the breed is measured by, and as a Lincoln person I love that! When people shop SUV's they often say "but how does that stack up against the Navigator?"

Back to the Mark. I am not adverse to a two seater, but I think that the X seems more like a compromise and copy to me than a forward idea. What would you think if the IX were offered in a convertible? And seeing that our Marks are full size luxury coupes, the IX/T-Bird thing seems too far a departure from that for my purist taste. Give me a back seat to look at or use for groceries, small baggage, my tennis bags, something! My 11 year old son feels the back seat of my Mark is his personal space, it nicely contains (which is what one wants to do rather than have him pushing ALL the buttons up front;) him and a few toys on a trip and gives him room to sleep in. A true two seater loses ALL of that. Granted, I am over six feet, and I couldn't comfortably fit there, but it wouldn't seem a Mark WITHOUT the space. To change that changes too much for me.

Secondly, the IX seems like a progression of things from VII to VIII, and on more than the X does to me. Similar, but different. Oh well, to each his or her own, I guess.

Next point: I think you are DEAD ON about FMC positioning Jaguar's cars where Lincoln is/was. I just don't think it will work. Mainly because of pricing. The extra $15,000 or more for Jaguar's name is not worth it. A $40,000 Lincoln would become a probable $60,000 Jag. If you say they develop the next line of Lincolns (Marks, Continentals, or whatever)in a $30,000 - $50,000 (top end range), can you imagine what the pricing will be at Jaguar? I think they would lose their clientele fast to Cadillac, or possibly Chrysler in the luxury, luxury/sport/performance arena. I just don't think buyers are so attached to Jaguar in that way as they (need I say we?:) are brand loyal to Lincoln and its' heritage. I for one, will keep my Mark, and with an angry shrug, go looking elsewhere if they don't offer a product I could want to own. Chrysler is soon to be offering a two door souped up version of its' new Charger within a year, if they let things like that go unanswered, they will lose market share faster than a bowling ball dropped off a tall building IMHO! Then they will have to come in the door somewhere else, if they can.

Finally, I think the'd better come up with something fast! The gas prices are slowing SUV sales, and since a lot of people own more than one vehicle (especially families!) it is usually going to wind up an SUV/van/truck and something else. And if your reason for owning one of those vehicles is cargo space, larger family, or work, guess what a lot of people are going to be looking for in that other vehicle --- FUN!! And where do you get fun except in something luxurious or sporty or both! If you own an SUV, do you really want to get another as your other vehicle? Are you gonna give up your Mark to haul work stuff or get another vehicle? And when you aren't driving your Mark LT, what would you want to drive? Wake up FMC, don't abandon the market or the brand.! Give me your thoughts. Happy driving.!:D
 
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remember that the Mark VIII cost around $44k MSRP pretty loaded in 1994. They were selling them for around $36k + tax then.

if ford decides to price the Mark IX at the same insane price range, sales will again be slim to none. however, if Ford keeps the price at the range of a loaded Mercedes CLK 320, I'm sure that they'll do well.

Knowing Ford though, they'll price the car like Caddy did the XLR, at ~$70k, and wonder why nobody is buying their technologically advanced wunder-car ::roll::
 
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Right on, tolik!! I think that pricing will have a great deal to do with how the car sells. If they put a lot of car in for good pricing, it will sell like hotcakes and no one will care much about later increases, as long as they are slight. If not, then it will see the same results as the LS or Aviator. Here's hoping they get it right (for the sake of all of us Lincoln Mark owners who await the next Mark). If they keep it around the pricing of the Mark VIII or so, I think it will work. After all ,it is a Lincoln and should have Lincoln quality, style, and performance if it is a Mark. In today's market, that would translate into the $40,000 - $50,000 range.
 
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Moderator,If this is the wrong place, I'm sure you'll correctly place it for me. My question is this: for those of us who have seen previews of the proposed next generation or concept cars, which is your preference(Mark IX or X) and why? I'll save my opinion for after there are some replies. Thanks.Mark G./ Atlanta:D
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The Mark X was my choice for "I'll drive it when I'm 50" car. This is a compliment btw. I loved the idea and the look. The market just did not show enough interest. Then this car (see below) traveled aroung te WORLD and again, showed no interest from the general public. For the love of Pete FoMoCo! It ain't gotta look like a pill to sell! I would have bought the Navicross.
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RE: Mark IX or Mark X (didn't know where to put this post)

A couple of years ago I'd heard the Mark X was in a design position and that had it with a V-10, wide and long wheelbase with limited rear seating and retractable roof. The Mark IX looks like a Caddy sort of - or a Zephyr - The X approaches expectations from this humble party.
 
RE: Mark IX or Mark X (didn't know where to put this post)

Something like the Ford Shelby GR-1 Concept... but longer like a Dino



Christopher Bennett
Bristow, VA
93 Black LSC
 
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