Setup opinions?

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Now *that* was a densly packed post, in terms of good advice. So where do you suggest to look for the Mustang MAF and airbox? That famous auction site?The chip thing is a long story. All I can say for now is a well-known outfit wants to use my (low mileage, and for right now, stock drivetrain) car for a test mule, and the deal is interesting...For what I'm paying on the '93 shaft, it's worth it to take a shot before I blow $500 on an MMX. Stock, I have absolutely *no* driveline vibration up to 100+. If I was doing 4.11+ gears, I'd go straight to MMX, but with the 3.73's I was going to give it a chance like it is, until the '93 shaft came along.Thanx for the tip on the 93 pump gas. Red Giant only gets super premium anyway, but I hadn't heard you could chip tune to that octane.Regards,Michael
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If you are not getting an SCT chip all bets might be off on the MAF and fuel. None of the other chips out there access the parameters of the EEC that SCT does with their tunes and may not be able to compensate for a new MAF or higher octane fuel/colder plugs/t-stat the way the SCT chips do...

You cannot run the GT MAF with a standard tune, the EEC has to be reprogrammed for the new MAF transfer function...

As for where to get one, you can just try your local dealer, but it might be pretty expensive. The contact I used for Ford and FRPP parts was selling the MAF and Airbox new for around $140, but he is presently "between jobs." If he lands a job at a Ford dealer he will be reinstating that price, or close to it shortly. In the meantime, check the Mustang boards, TCCoA and ModularDepot.com for someone who is upgrading their MAF for a blower application. Lotsa guys will upgrade to a Lightning 90mm MAF for low boost and Pro-M for high boost, and will off their GT MAFs...

I actually am upgrading to Pro-M myself, and may have mine available, but like I say, you gotta check with the chip guy to be sure he can handle the tune.

-mike

1996 Thunderbird LX
Renegage Heads / CompCamns / OEM Cork NPI intake
245rwhp
13.71

Presently Morphing in Atlanta
 
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i think w/ minor mods l.t. headers are a waste but only w/ if you get you heads portd & polished to use the almost full potention al of the l.t. a aftermarket d.s. is worth its gold in et's since it drops wieght on the d.s. and lets it spin fast then stock ones. i wish they made aftermarket flywheels. i could have sworn they did yrs ago for the tbird.
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I don't agree with that statement at all. I think that long tubes with a proper exhaust would be one of the best mods for ANY Mark VIII, regardless of other mods.
 
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No offense but you sound like you work for SCT or something. Diablo chips can do everything that SCT chips do, it all goes back to the tuner...
 
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umm i sell both SCT and dialbo and no diablo can not do every thing SCT can do. our cars require 93 out of the box and we have knock sensors to boot. these are no t-birds now we have all the fancy stuff ford wanted to test on our cars before the cobras and other new cars got them. I.E. traction control and other cool stuff. i would go with a MM shaft, 3.73 gears, 255 fuel pump, new maff, SCT flasher, headers, exhaust, 100 shot, Tr-6's, nappa T-stat 109(180degree), jerry mod shift kit, and a larg trans cooler.
 
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That statement is absolutely not true...

but I would agree that all tuners are not created equal, SCT or otherwise.

And no, I do not work for SCT, nor do I sell SCT or any other kind of automotive parts or accessories.

Have you ever actually worked with the SCT software, or seen it in action on a dyno?? Have you read the extensive material available on other sites about the parameters SCT software can access?? Do you know "everything that SCT chips do?"

I'm not sure I can do this here, but I will refer you and others to some other places for details on the SCT chip capabilities. There are 19 pages of informaton on this thread http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=311&perpage=20&pagenumber=1 ... it's about a year old and more recent developments have improved the original product, and there are more recent posts if you do a search on MD or TCCoA. You can check here - http://www.blueovalchips.com/singlechip.php ... and of course here: http://www.sctflash.com/main.php

Can you offer any hard evidence that Diablo chips can "do everything SCT Chips can do?" Does the Diablo chip have enough memory to entirely bypass the eec and run the car on it's own? Do they offer a switch chip that holds 4 or 5 tunes on one chip? Does Diablo offer a flasher that can hold three adjustable tunes and re-flash the eec, and offers the ability to download additional tunes via e-mail files? Does the Diablo chip include an anti-theft program on their chip?

Please enlighten me, because an awful lot of very knowledgeable friends of mine with high performance and stock Fords have been using the wrong chip. Including myself (not the "very knowledgeable") part times two.

-mike

1996 Thunderbird LX
Renegage Heads / CompCamns / OEM Cork NPI intake
245rwhp
13.71

Presently Morphing in Atlanta
 
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My car seems to run fine on 91 gas, I ran those times in my sig with 91 so I seriously doubt Mark VIIIs require 93 "out of the box." As for the Diablo/SCT debate, I plan on getting an SCT chip myself but a knowlegable tuner such as SoCal Diablo can do everything a SCT tuner can for your car. Sure the base SCT program may adjust more parameters, but in the end both are just about as good.

Dan, you say you should go with a new maf, which one do you reccomend?
 
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My car seems to run fine on 91 gas, I ran those times in my sig with 91 so I seriously doubt Mark VIIIs require 93 "out of the box." As for the Diablo/SCT debate, I plan on getting an SCT chip myself but a knowlegable tuner such as SoCal Diablo can do everything a SCT tuner can for your car. Sure the base SCT program may adjust more parameters, but in the end both are just about as good.Dan, you say you should go with a new maf, which one do you reccomend?
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You misunderstood the octane thing.. it's not a matter of "require", it's that the higher the octane, the more spark (advance timing) can be used. The more spark, the better the performance. So if you are willing to commit to buying 93 octane (in the states that have it) the tuner can advance the timing accordingly. If you are running a track car and run strictly AV gas, or 110 octane, even more spark is possible.

And as far as your 14 second times go, perhaps they would be 13's with more advance... I dunno...

"the base SCT program may adjust more parameters" and "a knowledgeable tuner such as SoCal Diablo can do EVERYTHING an SCT tuner can" are mutually exclusive statements.

And it is not the "base SCT program" that adjusts more parameters, it's the software program itself that can unlock more parameters in the EEC so that you can adjust the values to many more things... such as TC lockup rates and points, shift points, trans fluid pressure, and many many more things beside just timing and fuel mix. Diablo chips just can't get there to do as much.

Please define "just about as good"... is that the same as "not quite as good?"... or "not as good?... or "nowhere near as good?".. why would someone want to pay for "not as good?" when they don't have to..

The upgrade MAF of choice for N/A applications is, as I said earlier, the '02 GT MAF... for low boost SC it's the 80mm or 90mm Lightning MAF... Of course, with a chip or tune that can accept the altered transfer function... I'm not sure whether the "just about as good" chip can do that, but the SCT chip/tune can..

Again I say that if you have hard data that shows the Diablo chip is "just about as good".... well never mind, I don't want to see it 'cause I'm not interested in "just about as good."

-mike

1996 Thunderbird LX
Renegage Heads / CompCamns / OEM Cork NPI intake
245rwhp
13.71

Presently Morphing in Atlanta
 
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How much timing advance do you think I can run on 91 gas? I was thinking about getting 3 degrees advance but perhaps I should just get 2 degrees advance?
 
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How much timing advance do you think I can run on 91 gas? I was thinking about getting 3 degrees advance but perhaps I should just get 2 degrees advance?[/div]

I'm not a tuner myself, but I know some good ones.. that's one of the real advantages to the SCT dealers (well, some of them). They have access to thousands of dyno tune files with every conceivable combination. They all have access to the files, but some are better at matching the file to your setup .. You don't have to tell them how you want your car tuned.. You tell them what gas you use, and mods you have, and they do the rest. The base SCT tune comes with advance set for colder plugs and a 180 degree T-Stat as well.. If there is any way you can get to a wide band and show them an A/F curve, they can dial it right in, but even without that, there are a couple of guys that can get it real close.

I know one guy that's real familiar with the California gas and emissions situation..

Not all tuners are created equal... SCT or otherwise...

-mike


1996 Thunderbird LX
Renegage Heads / CompCamns / OEM Cork NPI intake
245rwhp
13.71

Presently Morphing in Atlanta
 
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