7 sek mark
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Wheir can i find this spout connector? I have heard that i can pull this connector and be able to run lower grade gas. Is this true or was it just a wives tale?
SPOUT connector?
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Sierra3
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RE: SPOUT connector?
Look over behind your underhood fuze box near the master cylinder. Should be a little grey plastic tab with two snap fittings holding it in there. I would leave it in there, all you need to pull it for is to set the timing on older fords. Our Marks are all automatic with the EEC.
1995 DK Blue Lincoln Mark VIII
1998 DK Blue Chevrolet 1500 P/U
2004 BLACK/Silver HONDA CBR 600RR
Look over behind your underhood fuze box near the master cylinder. Should be a little grey plastic tab with two snap fittings holding it in there. I would leave it in there, all you need to pull it for is to set the timing on older fords. Our Marks are all automatic with the EEC.
1995 DK Blue Lincoln Mark VIII
1998 DK Blue Chevrolet 1500 P/U
2004 BLACK/Silver HONDA CBR 600RR
RE: SPOUT connector?
There are two connectors over there by the EDIS module.
One is the "spout" connector
One is the "octane" plug
You want to pull the octane plug, not the spout connector.
unplugging the spout connector will change the engines timing to BASE TIMING and it will have NO advance.
unplugging the octane plug will decrease the timing by 3 degrees and will still use the spark advance function.
You want to unplug the connector that has the green and gray/red wires
If you unplug the SPOUT rather than OCTANE plug.. this is what happens
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Spark output - (red and pink wire) this is the spark control that the EEC-V sends to the ignition module. This signal determines the amount of ignition advance (and retard) that the sparkplugs will receive. By removing the spout connector (the gray tab), you interrupt the signal transfer. This causes the DIS ignition to revert to the CID (PIP) for its ignition signal and is used primarely for checking the ignition timing and setting base timing on vehicles equipped with a distributor.
When unplugged, the spout connector basically diverts the EEC from having control over timing adjustments based on look-up tables. It then relies on the PIP sensor to adjust the advance. */quote*
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If you unplug the OCTANE plug THIS is what happens.
The octane plug adjusts your timing. Under STOCK computer conditions when you remove the plug it retards your timing by 3 degrees. So if your for some odd reason getting detonation (due to mods or bad gas or something) then you can pull your octane plug and hopefully this will fix your problem until you have the ability to troubleshoot it more.
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There are two connectors over there by the EDIS module.
One is the "spout" connector
One is the "octane" plug
You want to pull the octane plug, not the spout connector.
unplugging the spout connector will change the engines timing to BASE TIMING and it will have NO advance.
unplugging the octane plug will decrease the timing by 3 degrees and will still use the spark advance function.
You want to unplug the connector that has the green and gray/red wires
If you unplug the SPOUT rather than OCTANE plug.. this is what happens
*quote*
Spark output - (red and pink wire) this is the spark control that the EEC-V sends to the ignition module. This signal determines the amount of ignition advance (and retard) that the sparkplugs will receive. By removing the spout connector (the gray tab), you interrupt the signal transfer. This causes the DIS ignition to revert to the CID (PIP) for its ignition signal and is used primarely for checking the ignition timing and setting base timing on vehicles equipped with a distributor.
When unplugged, the spout connector basically diverts the EEC from having control over timing adjustments based on look-up tables. It then relies on the PIP sensor to adjust the advance. */quote*
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If you unplug the OCTANE plug THIS is what happens.
The octane plug adjusts your timing. Under STOCK computer conditions when you remove the plug it retards your timing by 3 degrees. So if your for some odd reason getting detonation (due to mods or bad gas or something) then you can pull your octane plug and hopefully this will fix your problem until you have the ability to troubleshoot it more.
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M8SHOSCGUY
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RE: SPOUT connector?
Thanks XLRVIII.. and I thought the SPOUT was the octane reducing plug.. one in the same. I must comment that using less than the best gas you can find in these cars is false economy.. check your mileage, power and driveability with all grades, then see the light. After this, if you even consider regular 87 octane at only 20 cents a gallon cheaper, you should consider a Toyota Tercel.
mark
Thanks XLRVIII.. and I thought the SPOUT was the octane reducing plug.. one in the same. I must comment that using less than the best gas you can find in these cars is false economy.. check your mileage, power and driveability with all grades, then see the light. After this, if you even consider regular 87 octane at only 20 cents a gallon cheaper, you should consider a Toyota Tercel.
mark
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I must comment that using less than the best gas you can find in these cars is false economy.. [/div]
Oh I completely agree, I NEVER use anything other that "super/supreme" in my car.
The 2.00 difference on 10 gallons is completely worth it IMHO!
on 18 gallons the difference between midgrade and super doesn't make it worth "MY" while to pump anything less than SUPREME!
When I got my car, it had a full tank of crappy fuel graciously supplied by the Lincoln Dealer..
the car ran and idled like crap.
I ran half the gas out and refilled will supreme and noticed the difference instantly!
Since then in all the miles I've put on my car, they have all been using supreme.
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I must comment that using less than the best gas you can find in these cars is false economy.. [/div]
Oh I completely agree, I NEVER use anything other that "super/supreme" in my car.
The 2.00 difference on 10 gallons is completely worth it IMHO!
on 18 gallons the difference between midgrade and super doesn't make it worth "MY" while to pump anything less than SUPREME!
When I got my car, it had a full tank of crappy fuel graciously supplied by the Lincoln Dealer..
the car ran and idled like crap.
I ran half the gas out and refilled will supreme and noticed the difference instantly!
Since then in all the miles I've put on my car, they have all been using supreme.
ryanharrington
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RE: SPOUT connector?
ive been running 87 in mine for 3 months now with no difference in mpg. course i never checked the octane plug.
ive been running 87 in mine for 3 months now with no difference in mpg. course i never checked the octane plug.
M8SHOSCGUY
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My '94 only gets 19 MPG with 87, but 27 MPG with 93 on the highway. It's a night and day difference. If you can't tell the difference, then maybe the SPOUT is missing.
mark
My '94 only gets 19 MPG with 87, but 27 MPG with 93 on the highway. It's a night and day difference. If you can't tell the difference, then maybe the SPOUT is missing.
mark
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I've been running 87 octane for about a year now...MPG hasn't chaged a bit, idles great too. My L/M dealer had used this vehicle to run the road for two years before I bought it to pick up other cars for their used car lot....they used ONLY 87 octane and told me use it too.
I get about 25 highway MPG average over 400 miles.
Bud Pytko
'97 LSC Silver Frost
'05 F250 SD CC PSD 4 X 4 AZ Beige
'94 Prowler 5th Wheel
http://squarebirds.org/images/BudPytko97LSC.jpg
I've been running 87 octane for about a year now...MPG hasn't chaged a bit, idles great too. My L/M dealer had used this vehicle to run the road for two years before I bought it to pick up other cars for their used car lot....they used ONLY 87 octane and told me use it too.
I get about 25 highway MPG average over 400 miles.
Bud Pytko
'97 LSC Silver Frost
'05 F250 SD CC PSD 4 X 4 AZ Beige
'94 Prowler 5th Wheel
http://squarebirds.org/images/BudPytko97LSC.jpg
deadbugdug
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RE: SPOUT connector?
1 comment, 2 questions:
After an ongoing discussion with my daughter about what octane to run in the car, she showed me an article about how (newer only?) cars are smart enough to adjust for the octane used, which means you could put 87 in and all you may experience is a loss of performance, but it otherwise wouldn't hurt your engine (and I figured with over 240,000 miles on "Goldie", what can it hurt?). We've been running 87 for a number of months now, and I haven't heard it knock.
So.......
1) Do our cars adjust automatically without the value added step of "pulling the plug?"
2) I looked high & low on all 3 of my Mk8's.......the SPOUT is there, but I don't see the 2nd OCTANE plug. Is that a Gen2 feature, or am I just blind?
Incidentally, when I get "Black Betty" on the road, nothing less than 92 octane goes in, ever. Period.
1 comment, 2 questions:
After an ongoing discussion with my daughter about what octane to run in the car, she showed me an article about how (newer only?) cars are smart enough to adjust for the octane used, which means you could put 87 in and all you may experience is a loss of performance, but it otherwise wouldn't hurt your engine (and I figured with over 240,000 miles on "Goldie", what can it hurt?). We've been running 87 for a number of months now, and I haven't heard it knock.
So.......
1) Do our cars adjust automatically without the value added step of "pulling the plug?"
2) I looked high & low on all 3 of my Mk8's.......the SPOUT is there, but I don't see the 2nd OCTANE plug. Is that a Gen2 feature, or am I just blind?
Incidentally, when I get "Black Betty" on the road, nothing less than 92 octane goes in, ever. Period.
RE: SPOUT connector?
My first gen has the above described octane plug about 3 inches from the spout connector.
The mark 8's use a knock sensor that will decrease engine timing when spark knock is "heard".
So yes, they will automagically adjust so to speak and yes you will lose performance.
My first gen has the above described octane plug about 3 inches from the spout connector.
The mark 8's use a knock sensor that will decrease engine timing when spark knock is "heard".
So yes, they will automagically adjust so to speak and yes you will lose performance.
46callaway
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Wow, you learn something new everyday about the Mark VIII, thanks for the info Tommy...
Wow, you learn something new everyday about the Mark VIII, thanks for the info Tommy...
deadbugdug
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RE: SPOUT connector?
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I looked high & low on all 3 of my Mk8's.......the SPOUT is there, but I don't see the 2nd OCTANE plug. Is that a Gen2 feature, or am I just blind?[/div]
Any takers on this?
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I looked high & low on all 3 of my Mk8's.......the SPOUT is there, but I don't see the 2nd OCTANE plug. Is that a Gen2 feature, or am I just blind?[/div]
Any takers on this?
RE: SPOUT connector?
Look on the drivers side of the motor..
Find the EEC-IV diagnostics plug...
The octane plug is on that same bundle as the diagnostics connector..
Your looking for a Grey with Red stripe wire and a green wire
The spout connector has two red wires
I just went out and verified this on my car.
if you cannot locate the octane plug in the diagnostics loom, then look inside the bundle for a "cut" grey wire with a red stripe and a "cut" green wire.
Maybe some budding mechanic cut your octane plug off rather than "unplugging" the connector
*shruggs*
Look on the drivers side of the motor..
Find the EEC-IV diagnostics plug...
The octane plug is on that same bundle as the diagnostics connector..
Your looking for a Grey with Red stripe wire and a green wire
The spout connector has two red wires
I just went out and verified this on my car.
if you cannot locate the octane plug in the diagnostics loom, then look inside the bundle for a "cut" grey wire with a red stripe and a "cut" green wire.
Maybe some budding mechanic cut your octane plug off rather than "unplugging" the connector
*shruggs*
Sierra3
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RE: SPOUT connector?
I just went out and verified this on my car.if you cannot locate the octane plug in the diagnostics loom, then look inside the bundle for a "cut" grey wire with a red stripe and a "cut" green wire.Maybe some budding mechanic cut your octane plug off rather than "unplugging" the connector*shruggs*
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Wow, Thanks Tommy, you just solved one of my questions i had when i re worked my old wire harness to make it fit. i could never find those color wires on my schematics CD and it always bugged me why they were there just cutoff. I found exactly those two wires you posted but mine were cut and shoved back in the loom. (makes you wonder why they cut it out in the first place instead of just unplugging it?) I taped them off and kept them there figuring it was emmissions junk for the old motor if i ever had to put equipment back on.
Looks like i'll be heading to get a new plug and pigtail kit to put it back in there. I have the spout connector, but no octane plug. Thanks.
I just went out and verified this on my car.if you cannot locate the octane plug in the diagnostics loom, then look inside the bundle for a "cut" grey wire with a red stripe and a "cut" green wire.Maybe some budding mechanic cut your octane plug off rather than "unplugging" the connector*shruggs*
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Wow, Thanks Tommy, you just solved one of my questions i had when i re worked my old wire harness to make it fit. i could never find those color wires on my schematics CD and it always bugged me why they were there just cutoff. I found exactly those two wires you posted but mine were cut and shoved back in the loom. (makes you wonder why they cut it out in the first place instead of just unplugging it?) I taped them off and kept them there figuring it was emmissions junk for the old motor if i ever had to put equipment back on.
Looks like i'll be heading to get a new plug and pigtail kit to put it back in there. I have the spout connector, but no octane plug. Thanks.
RE: SPOUT connector?
Very cool, I'm glad it helped.
If I understand the system correctly, the plug just "closes" the connection, without it.. it's a open circut.
So.. in effect you could probably "wire" those two together and be done with it.. or atleast wire them together and see if it works right.
Of course adding the plug would make it easier to adjust timing in the future.
Very cool, I'm glad it helped.
If I understand the system correctly, the plug just "closes" the connection, without it.. it's a open circut.
So.. in effect you could probably "wire" those two together and be done with it.. or atleast wire them together and see if it works right.
Of course adding the plug would make it easier to adjust timing in the future.
deadbugdug
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RE: SPOUT connector?
Something's wierd here.....
I have 3 Mk8's (a '95 and 2 '94 models). All 3 cars are set up the same.
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There are two connectors over there by the EDIS module.
One is the "spout" connector
One is the "octane" plug
You want to pull the octane plug, not the spout connector.
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All 3 of my cars have a single plug. I searched for a 2nd one, to no avail.
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Look on the drivers side of the motor..Find the EEC-IV diagnostics plug... The octane plug is on that same bundle as the diagnostics connector..Your looking for a Grey with Red stripe wire and a green wire
The spout connector has two red wires
I just went out and verified this on my car.[/div]
The lone plug has the Grey/Red Stripe wire & a Green wire, which makes it an Octane plug. With a little grey tab stuck in the end of it. I always thought this was the SPOUT connector, but the wires are wrong, and I can't find any plug with 2 red wires.
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My first gen has the above described octane plug about 3 inches from the spout connector.
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I don't doubt you Tommy. And you say your car is a 1stGen (I thought the 2 plugs were maybe a Gen2 feature), so what the hell is Lincoln doing to us? I find it unlikely that 3 separate budding mechanics cut plugs (SPOUT plugs, no less) out of 3 separate cars. I haven't tore into the wiring harnesses yet to see if there are any loose wires floating around. One of my cars spent its life in Ohio & Michigan. The other 2 came from Georgia (I think -- at least from the Southeast).
Tommy, what year is your car? Could it have come from California? (special emissions)
Maybe you got a rare one. Could be worth some bucks on e-bay or Barrett-Jackson...........
Better yet, maybe I have THREE rare ones!
Anyone care to comment?
Something's wierd here.....
I have 3 Mk8's (a '95 and 2 '94 models). All 3 cars are set up the same.
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There are two connectors over there by the EDIS module.
One is the "spout" connector
One is the "octane" plug
You want to pull the octane plug, not the spout connector.
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All 3 of my cars have a single plug. I searched for a 2nd one, to no avail.
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Look on the drivers side of the motor..Find the EEC-IV diagnostics plug... The octane plug is on that same bundle as the diagnostics connector..Your looking for a Grey with Red stripe wire and a green wire
The spout connector has two red wires
I just went out and verified this on my car.[/div]
The lone plug has the Grey/Red Stripe wire & a Green wire, which makes it an Octane plug. With a little grey tab stuck in the end of it. I always thought this was the SPOUT connector, but the wires are wrong, and I can't find any plug with 2 red wires.
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My first gen has the above described octane plug about 3 inches from the spout connector.
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I don't doubt you Tommy. And you say your car is a 1stGen (I thought the 2 plugs were maybe a Gen2 feature), so what the hell is Lincoln doing to us? I find it unlikely that 3 separate budding mechanics cut plugs (SPOUT plugs, no less) out of 3 separate cars. I haven't tore into the wiring harnesses yet to see if there are any loose wires floating around. One of my cars spent its life in Ohio & Michigan. The other 2 came from Georgia (I think -- at least from the Southeast).
Tommy, what year is your car? Could it have come from California? (special emissions)
Maybe you got a rare one. Could be worth some bucks on e-bay or Barrett-Jackson...........
Better yet, maybe I have THREE rare ones!
Anyone care to comment?
RE: SPOUT connector?
My car is a 95 base model with it's only option being the Homelink Garage door thing.
no sunroof, no traction control, no jbl...
I presume it was a fleet car.
It is rare in the case with the transmission...it's STILL ALIVE!
haha
I posted above about "budding mechanics" and their hack jobs, but now it appears that it was more common that I had first thought.
WHY someone would cut the spout connector is beyond me!
But. there are alot of people that shouldn't even be opening the hood on these cars, and many of them work in Auto mechanic shops.
Gotta scoot.. just scheduled my tranny flush session and I gotta go get some mercron V!
*poof*
My car is a 95 base model with it's only option being the Homelink Garage door thing.
no sunroof, no traction control, no jbl...
I presume it was a fleet car.
It is rare in the case with the transmission...it's STILL ALIVE!
haha
I posted above about "budding mechanics" and their hack jobs, but now it appears that it was more common that I had first thought.
WHY someone would cut the spout connector is beyond me!
But. there are alot of people that shouldn't even be opening the hood on these cars, and many of them work in Auto mechanic shops.
Gotta scoot.. just scheduled my tranny flush session and I gotta go get some mercron V!
*poof*
deadbugdug
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WHY someone would cut the spout connector is beyond me![/div]
I'm not so sure anybody cut anything out of the car. I was wondering why your car was different than mine. I know car builders change things, and I was wondering if Lincoln made a change in the SPOUT / Octane plug setup. That's interesting that yours is also a '95, and you have the 2 plugs, whilst mine has only the one.
Time for a poll.............
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WHY someone would cut the spout connector is beyond me![/div]
I'm not so sure anybody cut anything out of the car. I was wondering why your car was different than mine. I know car builders change things, and I was wondering if Lincoln made a change in the SPOUT / Octane plug setup. That's interesting that yours is also a '95, and you have the 2 plugs, whilst mine has only the one.
Time for a poll.............