spout plug vs octane plug?

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witch is witch on the car i know they are both jumpers and are both close to the EEC test port on the harness by the driver side hood strut. im just not sure witch plug is witch on the car. from what i have heard the octane plug pulls 3 deg of timing from the timing curve. correct me if im wrong but isnt that about what you want for nitrous?
 
I read on here a post by Lonnie that said pulling the octane plug affects different year Marks in different ways. Don't do it unless you know exactly what it will do!
 
I read on here a post by Lonnie that said pulling the octane plug affects different year Marks in different ways. Don't do it unless you know exactly what it will do!

That is correct, on curtain EECs the Octane Plug will either do nothing, add up to 3 degrees or pull out 3 degrees. On one I ran into that was a Ford reman it actually added 5 degress. I don't recall what the code was but it was a 97. Normally one 99% of Ford vehicles this plug either does nothing or pulls out 3 degrees. Why they jumped around with the Mark VIIIs I have no idea. So messing with this is at your own risk. I can be programmed on some EECs to add, subtract or nothing. And then there's some that it doesn't function at all, those are the ones that are set to zero already.
 
As Ford puts it, the octane plug in some engines adds a feed-forward signal for spark timing and turbo boost. When the plug is in place in the underhood socket, it shorts the contacts in a circuit to the EEC for normal spark timing. If the engine is knocking with the fuel being used, you can change to a higher octane fuel, or you can remove the plug from the socket to retard the timing by the amount of 3 degrees, or reduce the maximum boost.

In a nut shell it is a safety feature the factory installed that if you are experiencing detonation the service provider can remove the plug to retard the timing 3 degrees. This was only employed from 93 - 98, some 98 vehicles and older still have the actual plug and wiring but it doesn't function. After 98 the function was moved to inside the EEC in the VIN block area where most tuner/programmers don't have access to electronically or can program. It isn’t a physical plug anymore, it’s in the programming. So once again it doesn't function.

The Mark 8 did get these and like I said above, you don't know what the plug is going to do when you remove it since there are several different EECs and calibrations. One of the possible reasons some Mark calibrations don’t use it is that these vehicle have knock sensors that detect any detonation and will retard the timing automatically.

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The spout connector is the little plug on the wires going into the TFI module on the distributor or like some F series trucks, distributor run Tbirds and Mustangs on the inner fender or radiator support. You have to pull it out before setting the timing. Pulling it eliminates the timing advance function by disconnecting the ECU from the ignition system. The Mark VIIIs do not have distributors or TFI so they do not use a Spout connector but is physically there.

On the Mark VIIIs these plugs located either right behind the driver's side shock tower or under the plastic shock tower cover next to the DIS module.
 
So on a gen 1, the gray plug that is in the socket should be in there or shouldn't? I don't believe my 95 has a gray plug in there. I've dug around in there a few times while scanning for codes......
 
distributor run Tbirds and Mustangs on the inner fender or radiator support. You have to pull it out before setting the timing.

All the 5.0 Mustangs had the spout connector right next to the distributor on the distributor harness. :)
 
Cool. Learned something new, thanks Lonnie!

I am detonating actually. I really need a Dyno tune BAD.
 
All the 5.0 Mustangs had the spout connector right next to the distributor on the distributor harness. :)

I was talking about the TFI module. Yes in most cases the Spout connector is near the distributor.
 
on my 95, pulling the octane bar made the car ping.

that told me my car has "as much" timing as it could tolerate when added in a "Global" manner.

Mike Gilbert\Nightsky has the steeda timing adjuster (which is also a global adder) and his car wouldn't tolerate more than about 3 degrees of additional timing.

With that said, you can probably squeese more timing into the motor if you dont try to "chunk timing into a global adder".

IMHO
 
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