So, a buddy of mine recently upgraded the supercharger on his car and now his old one is just kind of sitting around. It is a gen II Eaton M-90, is there anyway this would fit on the Mark :wink: ? Won't be surprised if it won't I just didn't wanted to pass it up if there was a chance.
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Roadboss
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You are going to need a manifold, and a whole bunch of mods, fuel pumps, exhaust, tune, injectors etc. Bring out you big wallet, and we haven't even talked rear end, tranny & TC. So what ever you friend is selling the Eaton for it is nothing as compared to the rest of the costs imvolved in that type of installation. One of the best sources for all the details is Mad 1st Gen and Jeremie is usually around here or you could em him.
Patrick
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But of course, all of those things would add to having even more power, wouldn't it? 
Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread, mymark93. haha
What supercharger would y'all recommend for the money? Money meaning cost of supercharger, plus all mods, plus labor, etc. And I don't mean the cheapest, just... I guess you could say the best dollar-to-power ratio? haha
Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread, mymark93. hahaWhat supercharger would y'all recommend for the money? Money meaning cost of supercharger, plus all mods, plus labor, etc. And I don't mean the cheapest, just... I guess you could say the best dollar-to-power ratio? haha
Roadboss
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Patrick, your question is pretty open ended."recommend for the money", needs to be qualified as to what is the application. Quarter mile blaster or street renegade. You then split into either centrifical, twin screw or roots types of super chargers.
Alot of people went centrifical due to cost, relative ease of installation, there have been a few of us who have gone to the "Dark Side" with Twin Screw/Roots setups for the monster torque at low RPM's. The latter is much more expensive and requires alot more mods, but ask anyone who's riden in a torque monster if it moved their needle and I think most will agree its a real squirt. Only my thoughts and you will get plenty more of a different view around here as well.
Alot of people went centrifical due to cost, relative ease of installation, there have been a few of us who have gone to the "Dark Side" with Twin Screw/Roots setups for the monster torque at low RPM's. The latter is much more expensive and requires alot more mods, but ask anyone who's riden in a torque monster if it moved their needle and I think most will agree its a real squirt. Only my thoughts and you will get plenty more of a different view around here as well.
Patrick
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I know it was vague. O I was hoping that I would get a few answers from people who would just quickly interpret it and blurt out the first suggestions that came to mind. As it stands now, I still don't know too much about cars, but I'm learning more as the days go by.
I've gotta say though that I've always liked the idea of a torque monster, and have heard much in favor of Eaton for this purpose, but seeing how much the Eaton superchargers run as it is, I'm scared to think of what other expenses and parts there are that goes with it. (referencing your saying "more expensive... more mods").
Vortech seems like a good choice just for ease of use/installation, general power and cost, but is the trade-off of power really worth shirking on the cost? Or would a Roots-type setup, while being a few times as expensive, provide for exponentially better performance? Basically what I mean by this is, say, for a Roots setup costing, let's say I'll spend three times as much. Will this setup provide three times better performance over the centrifugal blower, or would the extra cost account for five times the performance? I hope that made sense.
I want both, really. I want something that would give me a very impressive quarter mile, but at the same time, be able to be a "street renegade," smoking almost anything that I encounter on the street.
For simplicities sake, let's say that I've got $8000 to spend on parts, and I want a combination quarter mile blaster and street renegade-- a middle ground between the two. Luckily for me, I don't yet have any bills to pay, so along with saving for the future, I want to go ahead and spend money and have fun while I still can... know what I mean?
I hope that this made my previous question a little less vague.
I was hoping that I would get a few answers from people who would just quickly interpret it and blurt out the first suggestions that came to mind. As it stands now, I still don't know too much about cars, but I'm learning more as the days go by.I've gotta say though that I've always liked the idea of a torque monster, and have heard much in favor of Eaton for this purpose, but seeing how much the Eaton superchargers run as it is, I'm scared to think of what other expenses and parts there are that goes with it. (referencing your saying "more expensive... more mods").
Vortech seems like a good choice just for ease of use/installation, general power and cost, but is the trade-off of power really worth shirking on the cost? Or would a Roots-type setup, while being a few times as expensive, provide for exponentially better performance? Basically what I mean by this is, say, for a Roots setup costing, let's say I'll spend three times as much. Will this setup provide three times better performance over the centrifugal blower, or would the extra cost account for five times the performance? I hope that made sense.
I want both, really. I want something that would give me a very impressive quarter mile, but at the same time, be able to be a "street renegade," smoking almost anything that I encounter on the street.
For simplicities sake, let's say that I've got $8000 to spend on parts, and I want a combination quarter mile blaster and street renegade-- a middle ground between the two. Luckily for me, I don't yet have any bills to pay, so along with saving for the future, I want to go ahead and spend money and have fun while I still can... know what I mean?
I hope that this made my previous question a little less vague.
Patrick,
I'm in same situation as you're but after some research I'm leaning toward Centrifugal blower.There is bunch of pictures and videos of Mark VIII with Centri and positive placement blower floating on the net .I've found few videos and posts of mark VIIIs with centi blowers running great times at the track but what scares me that I haven't found any infos of PP blown Mark VIIIs.Do they make to much TQ and can't hook at the track .I don't believe that nobody has any track times of PP blown Mark VIII.
Roadboss ,
You're running C headed setup with inter-cooled 2.1 KB blower, right.I've found few post from couple years ago about you going to the track but I wasn't able to find any track #s.Do you mind sharing your times with other people,if you don't want to post them here then shoot me a pm.
Derek
I'm in same situation as you're but after some research I'm leaning toward Centrifugal blower.There is bunch of pictures and videos of Mark VIII with Centri and positive placement blower floating on the net .I've found few videos and posts of mark VIIIs with centi blowers running great times at the track but what scares me that I haven't found any infos of PP blown Mark VIIIs.Do they make to much TQ and can't hook at the track
.I don't believe that nobody has any track times of PP blown Mark VIII.Roadboss ,
You're running C headed setup with inter-cooled 2.1 KB blower, right.I've found few post from couple years ago about you going to the track but I wasn't able to find any track #s.Do you mind sharing your times with other people,if you don't want to post them here then shoot me a pm.
Derek
Patrick
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Well, rough estimate. For a gen2, how much would a centrifugal setup cost, including just the things that HAVE to go with it? And what about a Roots setup, including just the things that HAVE to go with it? I really like the appeal of a Roots-type charger, but if it's going to be some ungodly cost, I don't know...
Comparatively, what kind of times and numbers could I expect from each one? Assuming that I only put on the supercharger and modded it enough so I wouldn't blow the engine/trans/driveshaft/etc?
Comparatively, what kind of times and numbers could I expect from each one? Assuming that I only put on the supercharger and modded it enough so I wouldn't blow the engine/trans/driveshaft/etc?
There is no easy answer when it comes to cost. $8k will not get you very far with new parts, and hiring someone to install it for you. Might be better for you to save that money, and double it plus some, and try to buy a Mark that is already supercharged. That is the cheapest way to get it done.
I can tell you this first hand - building a car for the track and the street is no small undertaking. Be prepared to spend well into 5 figures in parts and labor if you want better odds to drive home from the track in one piece. Or, for about the same money, go and buy a low mileage 03 Cobra. IMHO, the Cobra is not as cool as a SC Mark though...
I can tell you this first hand - building a car for the track and the street is no small undertaking. Be prepared to spend well into 5 figures in parts and labor if you want better odds to drive home from the track in one piece. Or, for about the same money, go and buy a low mileage 03 Cobra. IMHO, the Cobra is not as cool as a SC Mark though...
Roadboss
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95SC just for the record I have not gotten to the strip yet. I have a set of drag radials that I ran on for a short while and they did a real good job on the hookup. I had been holding out to meet up with Lidio at the track so we could change the tune around some as well as shifts if needed. The track of course sells race fuel so it would be worth a shot. I feel that the car should be in the elevens, and possibly the high 10's. This is OK by me , but it is not totally what I built the car to do. I wanted to keep the car free of putting a cage in it as this is the last built car I plan on having unless the lottery hits. This was my gold watch for retirement.
Patrick you should follow the lengthy thread that Mike created for his conversion on over to a Centrifical SC setup. There is a lot to absorb. Plan on close to a grand to put a posi rear with gears in it no matter what you do, as well as a new fuel pump and regulator. You are also going to need a chip and tune which we also tack another $750 or so. See how these numbers add up. I think Mike will also vouch for the fact that you can spend big with Centrificals too. Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder.
When it gets to not wanting to blow engines and trannys then you have to spend the money to fortify the weak points. I would not waste my time putting on a 1.6 KB unit that is non intercooled, but that only my thought. Here is another way to step it up as well.
http://www.karkraft.com/new_engines.htm
Post Note: Mike must have been typing the same time as me
Patrick you should follow the lengthy thread that Mike created for his conversion on over to a Centrifical SC setup. There is a lot to absorb. Plan on close to a grand to put a posi rear with gears in it no matter what you do, as well as a new fuel pump and regulator. You are also going to need a chip and tune which we also tack another $750 or so. See how these numbers add up. I think Mike will also vouch for the fact that you can spend big with Centrificals too. Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder.
When it gets to not wanting to blow engines and trannys then you have to spend the money to fortify the weak points. I would not waste my time putting on a 1.6 KB unit that is non intercooled, but that only my thought. Here is another way to step it up as well.
http://www.karkraft.com/new_engines.htm
Post Note: Mike must have been typing the same time as me
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Patrick
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Yeah, I've actually been reading Mike's topic over and over again just to try to pick up as much as possible. Oh and like heck I'd buy a Cobra... lol! I love the Mark VIIIs too much to do that... there's just something about having a stock luxury car that runs 14s.
I mean, I know that I'd have to spend upwards of $10k to do it, but looking at various parts, it seems like I could get a pretty decent build for under that. Vortech charger ($2500-3000), gears ($700), chip and tune ($600-700), and a little more that I'm in too big of a hurry now to think of. haha
Overall, though, I know that I'll end up pouring more than $10,000 into it to get it to where I want it to be, but I'm really, right now, looking for a here-and-now type thing that would give me good times, but leave room for improvement down the road.
It would help a lot, too, if my new (potential) job would call me back! Right now I work at Starbucks making $7.85 an hour, which is nice if my manager would give me more than 10 hours a week. The new job, though, would have me averaging about $15-$20 a week, minimum 20 hours... haha. That'd be nice for getting the car set up, cause I could take the $5k that I have right now, and bump it up to $10-12 in just a few months. haha
But thanks for helping me out guys, it's greatly appreciated.
I mean, I know that I'd have to spend upwards of $10k to do it, but looking at various parts, it seems like I could get a pretty decent build for under that. Vortech charger ($2500-3000), gears ($700), chip and tune ($600-700), and a little more that I'm in too big of a hurry now to think of. haha
Overall, though, I know that I'll end up pouring more than $10,000 into it to get it to where I want it to be, but I'm really, right now, looking for a here-and-now type thing that would give me good times, but leave room for improvement down the road.
It would help a lot, too, if my new (potential) job would call me back! Right now I work at Starbucks making $7.85 an hour, which is nice if my manager would give me more than 10 hours a week. The new job, though, would have me averaging about $15-$20 a week, minimum 20 hours... haha. That'd be nice for getting the car set up, cause I could take the $5k that I have right now, and bump it up to $10-12 in just a few months. haha
But thanks for helping me out guys, it's greatly appreciated.
You're not going to use that Eaton M90 unless you're going to just go ahead and swap an entire terminator motor in. Which is an option. You can get a Mark VIII MOTOR supercharged correctly using used and new parts, shopping around, for about $2000 tuned. I did it with a Novi 1000. Blew up a transmission [which had 39,000 miles on it] quickly. It also wouldn't catch traction for **** as it didn't have a posi. I would say FROM EXPERIENCE at MINIMUM a large tranny cooler, posi, 3.55s-4.10s, and built 98-02 4R70W are in order if you want to enjoy this car. If you want to hate it and not drive it you can get away with $2000.
Of course when you do do those, you will have the mother of all sleepers. 4.10s, lsd, and decent trans, even with the stock converter, DRs, and a Novi 1000 (8 psi from a small blower), you will be looking at a low 12s car. Maybe 11s with a proper converter.
I will try to find the thread that says everything you need on another board I was on.
Oh btw if youre not doing your own labor than forget all of this.
Of course when you do do those, you will have the mother of all sleepers. 4.10s, lsd, and decent trans, even with the stock converter, DRs, and a Novi 1000 (8 psi from a small blower), you will be looking at a low 12s car. Maybe 11s with a proper converter.
I will try to find the thread that says everything you need on another board I was on.
Oh btw if youre not doing your own labor than forget all of this.
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Dennis Reinhart has a Novi 1200 kit coming out which comes with everything you need for like 6000.