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We could go round and round here.It just seemed to me the statement was biased.
We could go round and round here.It just seemed to me the statement was biased.
Trillogy supercharger?
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unstoppable
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Pete,did you get my PM?
Pete,did you get my PM?
IceMans Revenge
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Chris, I didn't understand half of what you said, but touche! See it's posts like these where I really learn something. Interesting stuff about the air displacement on the pistons...=)
http://pstr-m02.ygpweb.aol.com/data/00F/10/77/F4/13/T+WJy6RSyENoTkKg6nCxx22pAzwyZXWH0060.jpg
Chris, I didn't understand half of what you said, but touche! See it's posts like these where I really learn something. Interesting stuff about the air displacement on the pistons...=)
http://pstr-m02.ygpweb.aol.com/data/00F/10/77/F4/13/T+WJy6RSyENoTkKg6nCxx22pAzwyZXWH0060.jpg
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Idiot question guys..but what is a T trim? Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages to building the hell out of a motor vs just adding a blower? (I guess the way I've been thinking lately is even if the added boost kills engine life, there is a point where rebuilding the engine is not an issue anyway..anyone following my logic?)
Also, is there a way to come close to stock fuel efficiency with a blower(not that anyone with a blower probably cares, but I am very curious) when other mods are factored in that favor the engine's efficiency..ie air/fuel ratios, mass air, exhaust, sensor adjustments?
http://pstr-m02.ygpweb.aol.com/data/00F/10/77/F4/13/T+WJy6RSyENoTkKg6nCxx22pAzwyZXWH0060.jpg
Idiot question guys..but what is a T trim? Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages to building the hell out of a motor vs just adding a blower? (I guess the way I've been thinking lately is even if the added boost kills engine life, there is a point where rebuilding the engine is not an issue anyway..anyone following my logic?)
Also, is there a way to come close to stock fuel efficiency with a blower(not that anyone with a blower probably cares, but I am very curious) when other mods are factored in that favor the engine's efficiency..ie air/fuel ratios, mass air, exhaust, sensor adjustments?
http://pstr-m02.ygpweb.aol.com/data/00F/10/77/F4/13/T+WJy6RSyENoTkKg6nCxx22pAzwyZXWH0060.jpg
RE: Trillogy supercharger?
You should start a new thread.
A "T" trim is just a model name for that company. They also have an "S" trim etc. Other companies use different names, like Novi 2000 etc. They build different levels of boost. There is more involved but that's the Readers Digest version.
Boost won't kill an engine. You just need to make sure the spark and fuel are right. That's the same for any engine but it becomes a bit more important on supercharged engines. I've seen the GN guys run as high as 35 psi and live but most folks keep it down around 17 psi on race fuel and 12 psi for premium fuel. As to fuel economy, it shouldn't change unless your foot gets heavier. Regardless of how much HP a cars engine can put out, you will still only need X amount of power to drive any mph. If your car needed 55 HP to do 65 mph on the highway before supercharging then it will still need 55 HP to do 65 mph after supercharging.
On a street driven '94 Mustang Cobra running a Paxton put out about 10 psi and run high 11s in the quarter on street tires. The car is fully loaded and all accessories work correctly. Upgraded suspension for handling et al. It gets 22 mpg and is still emissions legal for Maryland. On another Mustang we ran a Novi 2000 at 17 psi, still 100% emissions legal, still fully loaded but stock suspension, it got 22 mpg and ran 10.75s in the quarter on sticky street tires.
Boost doesn't kill engines, people do.
You should start a new thread.
A "T" trim is just a model name for that company. They also have an "S" trim etc. Other companies use different names, like Novi 2000 etc. They build different levels of boost. There is more involved but that's the Readers Digest version.
Boost won't kill an engine. You just need to make sure the spark and fuel are right. That's the same for any engine but it becomes a bit more important on supercharged engines. I've seen the GN guys run as high as 35 psi and live but most folks keep it down around 17 psi on race fuel and 12 psi for premium fuel. As to fuel economy, it shouldn't change unless your foot gets heavier. Regardless of how much HP a cars engine can put out, you will still only need X amount of power to drive any mph. If your car needed 55 HP to do 65 mph on the highway before supercharging then it will still need 55 HP to do 65 mph after supercharging.
On a street driven '94 Mustang Cobra running a Paxton put out about 10 psi and run high 11s in the quarter on street tires. The car is fully loaded and all accessories work correctly. Upgraded suspension for handling et al. It gets 22 mpg and is still emissions legal for Maryland. On another Mustang we ran a Novi 2000 at 17 psi, still 100% emissions legal, still fully loaded but stock suspension, it got 22 mpg and ran 10.75s in the quarter on sticky street tires.
Boost doesn't kill engines, people do.
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speaking of s/c's am i ever gonna see a blower for my 93 without having to switch out my whole engine?:'(
speaking of s/c's am i ever gonna see a blower for my 93 without having to switch out my whole engine?:'(
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Well I will beg to differ boost will kill a stock motor with stock rods and hypertectic pistons, any supercharger will paxton/vortech/trilogy our motors are limited to about 8/10 psi period after that you are rolling dice, the trilogy unit is slick but its a roots blower that spools up very quick on a cold morning or one tank of gas at WOT your done if its not tuned rightsooner. The trilogy unit for the Marauder only makes about 375 RWHP because of the heat and boost spark timing is limited, don't get me wrong its a good unit so is Vortech dont say boost does not kill motors that is a pipe dream.
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Well I will beg to differ boost will kill a stock motor with stock rods and hypertectic pistons, any supercharger will paxton/vortech/trilogy our motors are limited to about 8/10 psi period after that you are rolling dice, the trilogy unit is slick but its a roots blower that spools up very quick on a cold morning or one tank of gas at WOT your done if its not tuned rightsooner. The trilogy unit for the Marauder only makes about 375 RWHP because of the heat and boost spark timing is limited, don't get me wrong its a good unit so is Vortech dont say boost does not kill motors that is a pipe dream.
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Tell that to Lidio , when he stuffed 25lbs through a bone stock motor.
So this just proves there is only so much that can be done with an EEC.A stand alone is the ONLY way to go if you want to run BIG boost and BIG power.
We all know Jerry is terrific with the EEC.And if he can only run 8-10 lbs with a stock engine and someone else can run 25 lbs with a stand alone which is better?
Tell that to Lidio , when he stuffed 25lbs through a bone stock motor.
So this just proves there is only so much that can be done with an EEC.A stand alone is the ONLY way to go if you want to run BIG boost and BIG power.
We all know Jerry is terrific with the EEC.And if he can only run 8-10 lbs with a stock engine and someone else can run 25 lbs with a stand alone which is better?
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What kind of stock motor Chris. I agree you go spend three grand on a stand alone, and you will never stuff 25 pounds boost on 93 octane, and on a Mark 8 motor. I sell a Vortech kits for 03 and older GT's I have seen over 450 RWHP made with this kit with 12PSI is that safe power NO, the GT motor has piss poor rods and hypertectic pistons, any thing over 400 your rolling dice. So I would rather settle for less power that risk the chance of blowing a motor. Chris so again you are not giving a fair presentation here for the average Mark 8 owner they cant afford a stand alone or a two thousand dollar fuel system you also failed to mention that also may be needed and I never used or brought up Jerry's name so why was that added, I am not bashing Trilogy I may sell or install those units. I am just stating, what I know, and I am not trying to argue or bash any one, just sharing information and Liddio has a very good reputation, I just seen Jerry do a 03 cobra with 55 pound injectors with a Kenny Bell blower and a boost a pump and the car had over 20 pounds boost on 93 octane the car made 600 to the wheels on a stock motor and NO stand alone, but lets get the whole story here the 03 Cobra motor is not stock it has Manly rods forged pistons and lower compression just like I have said for years is the safe way to make power, the mark 8 has 10/1 hypertectic pistons if you want to try 25 pounds boost, have at it and call me when you need a motor. Again Chris I am just sharing information I never meant to argue.
What kind of stock motor Chris. I agree you go spend three grand on a stand alone, and you will never stuff 25 pounds boost on 93 octane, and on a Mark 8 motor. I sell a Vortech kits for 03 and older GT's I have seen over 450 RWHP made with this kit with 12PSI is that safe power NO, the GT motor has piss poor rods and hypertectic pistons, any thing over 400 your rolling dice. So I would rather settle for less power that risk the chance of blowing a motor. Chris so again you are not giving a fair presentation here for the average Mark 8 owner they cant afford a stand alone or a two thousand dollar fuel system you also failed to mention that also may be needed and I never used or brought up Jerry's name so why was that added, I am not bashing Trilogy I may sell or install those units. I am just stating, what I know, and I am not trying to argue or bash any one, just sharing information and Liddio has a very good reputation, I just seen Jerry do a 03 cobra with 55 pound injectors with a Kenny Bell blower and a boost a pump and the car had over 20 pounds boost on 93 octane the car made 600 to the wheels on a stock motor and NO stand alone, but lets get the whole story here the 03 Cobra motor is not stock it has Manly rods forged pistons and lower compression just like I have said for years is the safe way to make power, the mark 8 has 10/1 hypertectic pistons if you want to try 25 pounds boost, have at it and call me when you need a motor. Again Chris I am just sharing information I never meant to argue.
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I've seen turbo Dodges stuff 25 lbs of boost through a stock motor. I've also rebuilt one at 100k miles with every bearing in the motor totally shot. And it was already on the second set of bearings, supposedly. With way less boost than that. You can put however much boost you want through whatever motor you want, but for how long?
I don't see how it matters whether you are using a standalone setup or a stock EEC, as long as you can stuff enough gas in the cylinder, and have sufficient control over the timing to avoid pinging, programming is not your limitation. The capacity of your power-adder and the strength of your internals are your limitations.
I've seen turbo Dodges stuff 25 lbs of boost through a stock motor. I've also rebuilt one at 100k miles with every bearing in the motor totally shot. And it was already on the second set of bearings, supposedly. With way less boost than that. You can put however much boost you want through whatever motor you want, but for how long?
I don't see how it matters whether you are using a standalone setup or a stock EEC, as long as you can stuff enough gas in the cylinder, and have sufficient control over the timing to avoid pinging, programming is not your limitation. The capacity of your power-adder and the strength of your internals are your limitations.
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I wasn't trying to argue either.More I was trying to make a point.
I totaly agree with a stock motor 8-9 lbs is the limit for a daily driven street car.But as long as detonation is kept in check a lot of boost can be put through these engines.Of course durability is going to suffer.And even if you keep the pistons together you could very possibly break a rod bolt or even a rod.But I know proof positive a stock engine has stayed alive through damn near an entire race season with 25lbs of boost from a T trim.And I do mean stock.Valve covers had never been removed.
And yes I failed to mention the car had a complete fuel system and high octane race fuel in it.Either c 16 or c 18 I dont remember now.
And the point I was trying to make was about the versatilty of the stand alone versus the EEC.The EEC can do a lot of things but untill ANYONE with an understanding of ignition timing and fuel tables can tune it with a laptop, I'll stick with a stand lone.
Bye the way I wasn't trying to drag Jerry into this.I was just stating that I know he is good at what he does.
And if I ever break an engine I'll just order some new parts,have some machine work done and build my own.Thanks for the offer though
I wasn't trying to argue either.More I was trying to make a point.
I totaly agree with a stock motor 8-9 lbs is the limit for a daily driven street car.But as long as detonation is kept in check a lot of boost can be put through these engines.Of course durability is going to suffer.And even if you keep the pistons together you could very possibly break a rod bolt or even a rod.But I know proof positive a stock engine has stayed alive through damn near an entire race season with 25lbs of boost from a T trim.And I do mean stock.Valve covers had never been removed.
And yes I failed to mention the car had a complete fuel system and high octane race fuel in it.Either c 16 or c 18 I dont remember now.
And the point I was trying to make was about the versatilty of the stand alone versus the EEC.The EEC can do a lot of things but untill ANYONE with an understanding of ignition timing and fuel tables can tune it with a laptop, I'll stick with a stand lone.
Bye the way I wasn't trying to drag Jerry into this.I was just stating that I know he is good at what he does.
And if I ever break an engine I'll just order some new parts,have some machine work done and build my own.Thanks for the offer though