What Would Jesus Do - Lincoln Edition

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After my Tattoo thread sparked a bit of question over the life that Lincoln may or may not have within it, i want to turn this into an actual Thread.. Interesting thoughts a flyin in me head.

Lincoln is obviously spiraling down the deep dark pit of no return, a pit Cadillac, Mercedes, Buick, BMW and more have tossed themselves down and Hummer is slowly climbing into the made bed with them.

How to luxury car companies end up in this hole? Well, to be frank they begin to lose faith in their product or become to competitive, they overprice, they under quality, or (most importantly and commonly), They begin to appeal to the middle class. Luxury cars are not made for the middle class. Period. Once they become available to Mrs and Mr Natural Fibers they become common, they become too AVAILABLE.

Lincoln has been successful for SO MANY YEARS because they have been, ultimately, out of the reach of the middle class. Their off the lots are too expensive, and their older used luxury cars are too ¨bulky and outdated¨ for the Brady Bunch, so you would have seldom found a Lincoln parked in a suburban parking lot.

When Lincoln released the Navigator and Mark LT, they started putting themselves out there to the point where they became boring, they became old, they became gas-guzzling and outdated. They no longer contained the centerpiece for conversations or stairs from jealous neighbors. They became.. Just another car.

This happened with Cadillac that ultimately sealed their death note, the last thing that bloody company has left is the Escalade, and even that has not been preforming so well on the sales charts lately (Over all, you knew it was over for them when they released a freakin bike.).

Lincolns have forever been known as being... luxury. For being decedent and expensive and tasteful. Even te circulating older models are still so.. unique.

Now, obviously all these luxury car companies are crapping in their suits because of the whole recession, and they are trying to appeal to a wider audience to try and stay on their feet. What did Lincoln do to attempt this?

They made a Toyota Corolla.... with a shiny grill and 30 thousand dollar price tag.

Lincoln has now accepted the fact that they are not all they used to be and are now desperately begging the suburban families that sealed their fate, to buy their cars (just like Hummer). ¨Look, we are getting rid of the town car! We are still hip and fresh!¨

Lincoln is axing their premier product and the rest of their cars have become available and common and boring... So.. I ask the Lincoln community: What Would You do to save Lincoln?

I, PERSONALLY, Would axe the Mark LT, Keep the Town Car (obviously), re-release the continental concept (losing some of those crazy features, of course), either lose the Zephyr or the MKS (they look the bloody same) and steal their cars back from all the whiny baby boomers in ¨Oak Price Estates¨.

~Lynch
 
Lincoln Is a GREAT car company. Well, you might as well say FORD is.. The rest of the car companies SUCK for todays new cars. For instance, even chevrolet, DONT EVEN SELL A RWD CAR. Except their 1 Cadillac model, the CTS. Oh and the other exotic one i believe is rwd but it wouldnt surprise me if it was a FWD. Ford, you can go get a Town Car, RWD - And Crown vic - RWD , Grand Marquis - RWD , Mustang - RWD . I cant say the same for chevrolet. Dodge does good though, they have alot of RWD cars still and ffs its AMERICAN !! You can talk all day long about suburu wrx STI and evo's as fast little ricers, but, get a charger srt-8 or challenger... or even a cherokee SRT-8 !! LOL i would love to stomp an evo or wrx in a cherokee SRT-8 whahahahaha
 
Things for Gm look a LOT brighter than ford in terms of product lineup.
The new Cadillac CTS is a very well received car...
CTS-V is a BMW M5 and MB AMG killer. 558hp !!!!! and 12 second 1/4 miles out of the box and it starts at only 59k.

Chevy Corvette is riding with an ancient interior... but with an amazing LS3 engine.
Chevy Camaro is coming
Pontiac G8 GT is the best performance sedan for the money PERIOD.

Ford has got NOTHING.
Mustang even with the re-design is still... heavy and slow... it needed the 5.0 that they never put in it it also needs a 6 speed manual and auto.

Ford has got nothing to compete with Malibu.

Lincoln.. doesn't have a single competitive offering. Nothing sporty and RWD.
 
Lincoln is axing their premier product and the rest of their cars have become available and common and boring... So.. I ask the Lincoln community: What Would You do to save Lincoln?

I, PERSONALLY, Would axe the Mark LT, Keep the Town Car (obviously), re-release the continental concept (losing some of those crazy features, of course), either lose the Zephyr or the MKS (they look the bloody same) and steal their cars back from all the whiny baby boomers in ¨Oak Price Estates¨.

~Lynch

I think you may be a tad hard on the MKS. While not my favorite, I think it's unfair to call it a Corolla.

  1. Drop the LT - Lincoln doesn't need a F150 pickup. The Blackwood should've told them that.
  2. Keep the Navigator - at $60K plus, not too many suburbanites will have one in the driveway. Keep it big and luxurious.
  3. Drop the MKZ, MKS and MKX. FWD sedans and crossovers need not apply.
  4. Build a luxury RWD coupe, ala MKR. Make it powerful, roomy, sporty and with a quality luxury interior.
  5. Drop the MS Sync relationship.
  6. Let the Town Car die as is, but bring it back on a whole new complete platform. Take your time, do it right -keep the essential longevity and a basic model for livery service and then put on an option list on the consumer model that would make your accountant scream!
  7. They need another 'rising star' platform. Maybe not 'entry level' but something along the lines of the Continental. Not quite the Town Car, not a sports coupe like the Mark series, but something to fill the 'gap'. The MKT?
 
Lincoln Is a GREAT car company. Well, you might as well say FORD is.. The rest of the car companies SUCK for todays new cars. For instance, even chevrolet, DONT EVEN SELL A RWD CAR. Except their 1 Cadillac model, the CTS. Oh and the other exotic one i believe is rwd but it wouldnt surprise me if it was a FWD. Ford, you can go get a Town Car, RWD - And Crown vic - RWD , Grand Marquis - RWD , Mustang - RWD . I cant say the same for chevrolet. Dodge does good though, they have alot of RWD cars still and ffs its AMERICAN !! You can talk all day long about suburu wrx STI and evo's as fast little ricers, but, get a charger srt-8 or challenger... or even a cherokee SRT-8 !! LOL i would love to stomp an evo or wrx in a cherokee SRT-8 whahahahaha
The Pontiac G8 is FWD?. The STS, CTS Caddy's are FWD?. The Vette and upcoming Camaro are FWD too?. Weird. :big-grin:
 
Yea most of the newer high end cars are rwd. But ever single other one they make is not. You got my point. I think dodge has them both beat.
 
Yea most of the newer high end cars are rwd. But ever single other one they make is not. You got my point. I think dodge has them both beat.
I own a Dodge and I still think Chrysler sucks even more than GM or Ford. I happen to believe that they all make good trucks and that all of them make pretty crappy cars with few exceptions.
 
The reason Ford is dieing is the same for all American company's , We don't build American cars /muscle cars til it's to late in the last hour or just in time . I like the Lincoln MKS and the Taurus SHO that's coming (the right style). And I will maybe buy one when I save the money to get one , when I'm not modifiing my two babies . With that said , We should build cars that are not like Audi , Mercedes , Lexus , or any others . The inside should be soft , the engine too big and to much HP , the body big . When we don't , we fail !! All the time !!! Facts are facts : Buick GNX , Viper , Sheilby GT500 , Supercoupe , Taurus SHO , Turbocoupe , CTS-V , Corvette , Charger SRT-8 , and the Challenger . All are built in a american style (muscle car ) the way they all should be . Sales on all of those cars is high , the others in the line up , not so much . But sadly you can't make all your money on one or two cars (made at the wrong or just-in-time). Italy got it right and does it right , so should we . We are not BMW , we need to act like we got a pair an not try and be like BMW or Lexus . And yes you can get alright to good milege in a big V-8 . Hell , I might just end up getting an electric car like the T-Zero or the Ellica because the big three might not be around very much longer .
 
The reason Ford is dieing is the same for all American company's , We don't build American cars /muscle cars til it's to late in the last hour or just in time . I like the Lincoln MKS and the Taurus SHO that's coming (the right style). And I will maybe buy one when I save the money to get one , when I'm not modifiing my two babies . With that said , We should build cars that are not like Audi , Mercedes , Lexus , or any others . The inside should be soft , the engine too big and to much HP , the body big . When we don't , we fail !! All the time !!! Facts are facts : Buick GNX , Viper , Sheilby GT500 , Supercoupe , Taurus SHO , Turbocoupe , CTS-V , Corvette , Charger SRT-8 , and the Challenger . All are built in a american style (muscle car ) the way they all should be . Sales on all of those cars is high , the others in the line up , not so much . But sadly you can't make all your money on one or two cars (made at the wrong or just-in-time). Italy got it right and does it right , so should we . We are not BMW , we need to act like we got a pair an not try and be like BMW or Lexus . And yes you can get alright to good milege in a big V-8 . Hell , I might just end up getting an electric car like the T-Zero or the Ellica because the big three might not be around very much longer .
Dude, there isn't a Turbocoupe or GNX being made (in 20 years!) and even if there were they still wouldn't be selling. Actually, prices are being slashed all across the board as none of those is selling. Trust me, Chevy sells more Malibu's than Vette's and Ford sells more Focus's than Mustangs. As far as HP.............have you seen what kind of HP and Torque MB and the others are making?. How about 740lb/tq out of a Mercedes?. Yes, they do make it and sell it at dealerships right now. We are in an age where 500-650hp German cars are the "norm".
 
What I'm saying is when they where made back in the 80's , they sold out when they did make them like they should . And besides that , I'm talking about cars built here in the U.S . Granted , right now nobody can buy anything because the loan companys are snubing us . But when it comes to power we should be doing it . It should be our Muscle cars puting out 600 HP that should be the norm . The Benz and BMW are selling out at there prices and we are not better then them ? Granted I haven't seen a new car I wanted til they shown a picture of the new TAURUS SHO . I'd hate to think that the only Lincoln we'll ever all like will be the Mark 8 .
 
What I'm saying is when they where made back in the 80's , they sold out when they did make them like they should . And besides that , I'm talking about cars built here in the U.S . Granted , right now nobody can buy anything because the loan companys are snubing us . But when it comes to power we should be doing it . It should be our Muscle cars puting out 600 HP that should be the norm . The Benz and BMW are selling out at there prices and we are not better then them ? Granted I haven't seen a new car I wanted til they shown a picture of the new TAURUS SHO . I'd hate to think that the only Lincoln we'll ever all like will be the Mark 8 .
Buick Grand National's and Turbo coupes did NOT sell well in the 80's. They sat in dealer lots well after they ceased to be produced. I remember as I wanted a Grand National back in '88. Unfortunately I couldn't afford one as I was only 17-18 years old but I did buy a new '88 Mustang GT.

600hp daily cars are not going to save any of the big 3. Fuel efficient, environmentally safe and well built cars will save the big 3. The big horsepower cars are "image" cars. These cars, like the Viper for instance are cars that you will be thinking about when buying other Dodge's like a Caravan, lol. It will lure you into the showroom and thats the point.
 
The new SHO has some potential. The new Eco Boost is coming with standard 350 HP, and in unrestricted setting produces 450 HP. With a few minor pieces and tune 600 HP shouldn't be far away. Look for late Spring of 09 for arrival. Some of these new technologies should make for some more fun cars and trucks for the future.
 
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