13 second '97 Mark for sale

sleeper

sleeper

Former LOD President
Just testing the waters here, considering unloading the mark to save some money (to spend on a boat).

Price is set at $9000 firm. I don't really want to sell it, so if you want it don't try to get it for a dime cheaper.

'97 Mark VIII
104000 miles
Long tube headers and full exhaust with x-pipe and Magnaflow mufflers
PI Stallion 3200 stall torque converter
Ford 4.10 ring and pinion
Ford Traction Lock limited slip differential
subframe connectors
Mustang Cobra intake manifold
Dynotech MMC driveshaft
Newer Yokohama AVS ES100 tires all around, plus a used pair of Nitto NT555R drag radials
All new (1-2 years ago) paint except roof
New windshield (not yet, still have to make the claim)
Newer headlights (HID's, of course)
Dynotuned by Alternative Auto, has a 4 position SCT flip chip
Octastar wheels
tranny cooler
j mod with mercon V
poly IRS center section bushings


Lanzar Opti-drive 100 amp for two front speakers, which are Kicker Resolutions, an RS6.2 component set. Punch 200x2 amp driving 12" solobaric (a round one) with a custom box. Kenwood Z919 head unit.

The car appears from the exterior to be a stock LSC. It's not an LSC, and it's not stock.

Everything works, the car is very reliable. I drove it to Florida for thanksgiving, and have had it out of the garage about twice since then.

The car runs 13.9's. I can get 14 flat out of it any day of the week, and have a handful of time slips showing 1.9 60' times and 13.9 1/4 mile times. This is without any weight reduction, with the stereo still in the trunk, as well as the spare tire and jack. This is also with a paper air filter and a stock MAF sensor. I don't use a K&N because it doesn't filter well enough.

The car has been garaged winters since i've had it, and the previous owner did the same. The engine has had oil changes with Mobil 1 every 3000 miles since i've had it.

I have stacks of maintenance records from myself and the previous owner. Everything mechanical on this car works and is in good shape. The car drives straight, doesn't pull, handles excellently, and stops straight and smooth. It doesn't make any wierd noises, doesn't leak and doesn't smell.

I know the price is high, but try putting together the same thing and coming out under that number. You might be able to do it, but you'll spend a month on your back with a wrench and the car still won't look as good.
 
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That is a good price.

Mine's just about as fast, and you're right, I didn't do it for less than $9000. I spent a total of about $12K...car and mods. Course mine's a 96...
 
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I spent WAAAY more than that, but i spent 14.5k on the car 3 years ago.

But if i can get rid of the payment and come away with enough cash to buy either a fox body with a 5 speed or my friends 5 speed supercoupe, i'll be happy enough. The cost of my boat per month is about the same as the cost of my car per month. So selling the car would mean i don't have to scrimp to afford the boat.
 
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Yes, a variation of it. The car can be raised or lowered by switches in the center console. The car also has a rebuilt compressor from Eddie Spinks and a spider valve.
 
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Your car is by far the sweetest ride on LOD. It has everything imaginable, you pretty much put everything worthy the market offer's with maybe the exception of a supercharger.

9K is a killer deal.
 
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wow....that's all I can say. In my mind, you are giving it away...I was waiting to read "needs tranny", or "has rod knock".

I would consider flying out to pick it up and drive it back to calif. But no way in hell will I be able to keep the exhaust in this state...and I already have 2 of these things.

I'm going to let a few "gear heads" know about this car...a few of them are looking to buy cheap, and build....we all know that $9k is alot less than the cost of building...

good luck in your sale(if you sell it)...

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Yea, that's one thing... it would never pass emissions in any state that has emissions tests. No cats, EGR, or secondary air injection. California wouldn't even let the intake or headers fly, even if you did put that stuff in. Most states, though, i bet you could just put in high-flow cats and hook up the EGR and be fine.

Tranny and engine are fine. This is a '97, with the j-mod, so it has all the upgrades the '98 trannies had except for the MD OWC. The biggest weakness of this tranny would be 4-2 and 3-1 downshifts, which i don't do many of because most of my driving is highway, and with the 4.10 gears you really only need to lean into the throttle to pass, no downshifting required.

As for the engine, well, you know these engines are good for 200k plus, and this one has had mobil 1 since i got it at 60k, and probably had synthetic before that, since i bought it off of another engineer who seemed a bit anal as well.

People are telling me "killer deal"... and i guess if i had an offer already i'd be thinking i sold it cheap. But really, it's a couple thousand over book and the cars only worth what people will pay for it. It would be hard to get a loan for this car for what i'm asking. But if someone has the cash and is looking to build something similar, it's a very good buy.

If i can sell it for this price, i'm going to turn around and buy either another mark (if i can find a jeremi-type deal), or a fox body mustang. A friend of mine is selling a nice '89 supercoupe with a stick, but even though that car is in great shape it would cost a fortune to make it go faster, and those things are no fun at all to work on. Plus he's looking to get top dollar, and i'd be looking to pay bottom dollar.
 
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I passed KY sniffer emissions with high flow cats the other day in the red whore. It has not one other emissions reducing piece on the entire car, and sounds like it has a really modified exhasut on the car. I was pleasantly suprised that it passed. After I was done with emissions I unbolted the cats and put them back on the shelf.

With that said it is not that tough to get Daves car emission friendly.
 
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I've got a set of hi-flow cats here ... if anyone decides to buy this car.

BTW, Joe you got mail.
 
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daves car will pass its OBD-II and all they do is hook it up to a computer and the car tells them whats going on not the sniffer
 
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I don't get it why you only get 13.9's with all those mods. and you even have a cobra intake. granted you have a gen 2 but you took off the intake and have headers and everything. somethings gotta give when people who have less mods gets better times..
like my old 93 that had a chip maf and completly tuned up got a best of 14.8 and yet people have run better times stock. and my 96 with 4.10's shift kit&stall, chip&maf got killed by my buddies trans am that ran 13.5 at the track.. he killed me by alot more than 10 car lenghts, meaning my car probally ran like a 14.5? so my 96 that had gears maybe got .3 seconds better than my other car without gears and everything which really upset me and now I'm gonna put headers on my 96 and I will seriouslly be pissed if I don't get into the 13's.
I really do not get these cars, if I bolt everything on this thing, spend so much money and it doesn't get into the 13's.. I'm probally done with the mark
 
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Well, i did 4 real performance mods, none of them being forced induction, and i went from a 15.1 to a 13.9... that'a not so bad.

I would just spray it and run mid 12's for another $500 but i don't want to have to put an engine or a tranny in it.
 
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I'm just saying that some people have gotten well in to the 13's with the same mods, and you can run 14 flat all day long and dip into the 13's sometimes. I just don't get how some people can do it and others can't, unless they got other things done to the car that we don't know about, like geno or walt or others that have gone there. and yea 13.9 is a good time for the car don't get me wrong, but with all those mods, you have just about every bolt on you';d figure you'd be a lil bit more into that zone.

this is pretty much comming form the fact that I'm spending so much time working on my car, so much money and I spent like 1100 on headers and stuff and I am going to be extremly dissapointed if I don't get into the 13's. and after reading what you have done I don't think I'll make it.
 
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I don't know of anyone who's gone faster with the same mods.

Now i really didn't want to post this in my for sale thread, but i'd like to point out that the exhaust isn't exactly what i want it to be. If i weren't buying a boat i'd be upgrading to a mandrel bent system and putting the x pipe in front of the muffler, rather than having the exhaust hit the muffler first. Also, the headers as designed sucked. They hit the steering shaft and i had to dent the hell out of one of the primaries to make it fit. This year i took the drivers side header back out and had it redone so that i don't have this problem any more.

When i took the car to the track before i had the third muffler added, it went 13.9's all day long. It was a spring day, maybe in the low 60's, and i was at a good track with good traction on my drag radials. I drove it 100 miles to the track, ran it with the spare tire and subwoofer in the trunk, then drove it 100 miles home. After i added the 3rd muffler to quiet it down, it slowed down a bit. I'd be getting that fixed and looking for 13.7's or 13.8's if i had the extra cash right now.

The super-fast time that Geno always quoted for his purple car was with no passenger seat, no back seat, nothing in the trunk, hardly any fuel, and no serpentine belt. They pushed it to the line, ran it, and shut it down at the end. Not even a waterpump spinning. If i did that i could probably run low 13's too.
 
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I don't know of anyone who's gone faster with the same mods.Now i really didn't want to post this in my for sale thread, but i'd like to point out that the exhaust isn't exactly what i want it to be. If i weren't buying a boat i'd be upgrading to a mandrel bent system and putting the x pipe in front of the muffler, rather than having the exhaust hit the muffler first. Also, the headers as designed sucked. They hit the steering shaft and i had to dent the hell out of one of the primaries to make it fit. This year i took the drivers side header back out and had it redone so that i don't have this problem any more.When i took the car to the track before i had the third muffler added, it went 13.9's all day long. It was a spring day, maybe in the low 60's, and i was at a good track with good traction on my drag radials. I drove it 100 miles to the track, ran it with the spare tire and subwoofer in the trunk, then drove it 100 miles home. After i added the 3rd muffler to quiet it down, it slowed down a bit. I'd be getting that fixed and looking for 13.7's or 13.8's if i had the extra cash right now.The super-fast time that Geno always quoted for his purple car was with no passenger seat, no back seat, nothing in the trunk, hardly any fuel, and no serpentine belt. They pushed it to the line, ran it, and shut it down at the end. Not even a waterpump spinning. If i did that i could probably run low 13's too.
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Not endorsing Geno or anything, but he says his car is 307 rwhp.

Wouldn't that be the reason for fast times?
 
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Not endorsing Geno or anything, but he says his car is 307 rwhp.Wouldn't that be the reason for fast times?
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I'd like to see that dyno graph. I know the 13.2 or whatever that he quoted was run with no belt and the car stripped. I don't want to turn this into an argument about geno, so that's all i'll say.

I ran 13.9 @ 100 mph with my stereo, some tools, and my spare tire in the trunk, and a quarter tank of gas. I didn't remove any seats or even empty my glovebox. And i weigh a good 230 myself.

With my car, i've done the big things, the things that will yield the biggest improvement. There are still a bunch of small things that could be done. A MAF would probably be worth 3 hp or so. An electric water pump would probably be worth another 5-10. If i do the exhaust right i'd probably pickup another 5-10. If i took my intake apart and shortened the runners and removed the IMRC's, i'd probably be looking at another 10-25 hp. And i probably picked up a few hp since my last dyno because i had the header fixed.
 
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Geno's 13.4 was as described by Dave. Totally stripped, plug at atco or englishtown. He also had a line lock, and a lot of other mods. He managed to pull a 1.8 60ft time during htat run. I have yet to see another non power added mark VIII to even come close to that.

The fastest legitimate run I have ever see was right next to me when he ran it. Eli's car ran a 13.6X n/a with headers, 3200 stall, 4.10's, subwoofer, amp, gen 1 intake, maf, and a worthless chip.

Second fastest run was a 13.7X @ 102.57 that i did with the red car. I had weight moved around in the car, liek the battery, ect, and no convertor. Daves car running a consistant 13.9 is pretty good for hte fat pig that it is. Fastest n/a gen 2 i have seen.
 
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.... Daves car running a consistant 13.9 is pretty good for hte fat pig that he is. Fastest n/a gen 2 i have seen.
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Not nice to talk about Dave like that :+
 
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