the way i am with cars is, if i cant pay cash for it outright, i dont go anywhere near it, and the only thing i ever bought that was over 10g's was my 95 silverado, i bought it in 2000 with 40k on it and i paid $11,200 for it from a dealer, i financed it, and would never do that again, i'll never have a vehicle payment as long as i live, i buy used, i buy high miles, better deals and if you play your cards right, the higher mile vehicles have already been all fixed and up to snuff, so its like buying a new car as far as mechanical condition, but a little weathered on the outside, so what! i wouldnt spend more than 8 grand on anything unless i hit the lottery, even then i still wouldnt go buy a car thats 25g's or higher, what for, so people can hit it with stuff, or rub against it, scratch it, your affraid to park it places, you end up not driving it, screw that, give me a vehicle with 100k miles on it in good shape and drive it.