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Just because the majority of the welfare dependent in this country live in the major cities and overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic party based on the party's class warfare antics of rich vs poor, doesn't make them the moral majority also. Lets break out the old tables that show who pays the taxes in the country. One man, one vote, whether or not you pay into the system. That's fair? I think you should have to bring in your tax return. If you didn't pay taxes, no vote. How would that go over? Heck, we can't even require people to show proper ID when voting! What is going on here?!!! If the Democrats would use the resources (transferred, given, you pick the adjective) to them to actually educate the public, this Country would be far better off. But noooo. They need an ignorant populace to maintain their power. It is so hypocritical I have to go and vomit now. Inject smileys hear to demonstrate that this passage is not meant to be meanspirited... :p :p :p

BTW. I didn't bring up the 'ol Bush shouldn't be President thing. I am just glad he is, period! And the MAJORITY of Americans are too. :D Surprised!

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Bryan
 
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We have already been through this, the majority of welfare recipients live in rural areas.
 
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Okay, you are against $$$ aide to Israel, but you have not said what your thoughts are regarding the other countries on the list. Added up, the total amount exceeds the amount to Israel. What about them? India, Jorden Pakistan, Egypt and others......

Regarding Peace.

Israel wants peace. They don't like living as targets. Retalliation costs mega bucks. Israel is the size of Maryland. The middle east is the size of California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona. Yet, they claim they want land IN Israel, while all of the countries in the region have offered them land and an no charge in which to settle in. The "Land Thing" is an excuse. The honest among them have openly said, "We want Israel" "We want all the Jews dead".
This my friend is no deep dark secret!
Not only will the Arabs States people tell you that, so will the people of Israel.

Let's say that Israel opened up and allowed all of them to come in. (Not enough room in Israel.....but we'll imagine it for here). First item of business would be once again:
Kill all the Jews ! THIS and THIS alone is their sole purpose in life.
8 year olds chant it!
We have been down this road before. It was called Nazi Germany. Only the names are changed. Hitler = Hamas
The Jews will not go down that road again! Trust me on that.

You can bend over backwards, kiss the earth and crap lottery tickets out your tush, IF they WANT you dead, nothing else will appease them.
Not land.
Not Money.
Only your life!

Never Again!
America KNOWS this and America will NOT allow it to happen again, and THAT is the real reason for the $$$$ to Israel.

What the reason is for all that money to the UAR I do not know.
IF by some miracle, Peace happens between the two (I said Peace - NOT love, but peace) I am 100% positive the flow of money from America will almost totally stop.

Bush knows this. I don't think that there are any Jews in his Adm., yet he is sending more $$$ than Clinton who had many many Jews in his adm.

As you could see from 9/11 Israel is Not the enemy! Israel & America get along excellent.
 
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Thanks Mark. I could not have ever had said it better than what you just posted. :p
"Government Receipts include federal and state income taxes, Social Security contributions (employee’s share), property taxes, utility taxes, federal and state tobacco taxes, federal and state alcohol taxes. Federal and state gasoline taxes and state sales tax.


Also Mark, I agree with you on the overall tax burden. I think it is terrible that the person with the least disposable income has to pay some of these taxes. That is why I like the flat tax. Everybody pays in at the same rate, no matter the income. It would eliminate class warfare, which would be a great thing. Then every American could see that the American dream is achievable for anybody that wants to EARN it. Yes, people in the bottom 20% pay taxes. Most of it is in consumption taxes. The rest, like income, etc. they don't pay.

We could also twist your chart to show that the Top 40% pay more than 7 times the amount in taxes than the Bottom 40%. Take out the cigarette and alcohol taxes and that number will increase to over 8 times.

The people who vote for the Democratic Party (liberals as you might call them) are the people who can least afford it. Look at all the creative ways the government has devised to steal your money. Everything else being equal, I believe (don't have the proof to post) that people in the lower income brackets use a higher percentage of their income on smoking and drinking, therefore those incredibly high taxes fall especially hard on them. Put this information on the national news with Dan Rathernot or Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw and you would have anarchy. People are just too mis-informed to understand that the more they side with the liberal side in the equation, the more they hurt, not help themselves.

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Bryan
 
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As long as we keep giving them money, Israel and America will get along excellently.
 
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Just some israeli history. Last time we decided to pull out and let them go it alone, all their neighbors prepared for war, intending to take over Israel and push the Jews into the sea. It only took 6 days for Israel to whoop up on all of them.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/israel.html

Here is an excerpt from a page linked to the first link i put up (yay! a link war :)):

Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

"Well, Farah," you might say, "that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem."

That's true. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.

Shocked? You should be. I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It's just not politically correct.

I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy sites."

Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem.
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As far as the "road map" for peace goes, Israel is stupid if they accept it. And the palesinians are stupid if they don't. But the palestinians can't seem to stop killing innocent civilians long enough to make anything happen. You may refute me by saying that Israel does the same thing. And you'd be wrong. The palestinians are very good at staging "atrocities" that were supposedly commited by Israel, to make their side look good. Do a bit of research on it (here's a start: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/crime.html).

Personally, i think we should keep helping out Israel, since they obviously have our back. As for the rest of the countries over there, that consistently vote against us in international issues, i say tell them to go to hell.
 
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David, I'm intrigued, in what ways do you think Israel has 'our backs'?
 
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David, I'm intrigued, in what ways do you think Israel has 'our backs'?
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Their voting record. Also, they were the ones to take out a nuclear facility in Iraq a number of years ago, when Saddam was VERY close to having "the bomb". They just sent a couple of fighters over and did the job.
 
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You think that one act, David, is enough to justify the 90 billion dollars that we've spent on them in the last half a century? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell can think of a several things in America where I'd rather have my paycheck go (but welfare is NOT one of them).
 
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Dave-

That may be true to some degree; but we need to prioritize. Our country, our people come first; all of our people. That isn't how it works now.
 
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"Okay, you are against $$$ aide to Israel, but you have not said what your thoughts are regarding the other countries on the list. Added up, the total amount exceeds the amount to Israel. What about them? India, Jorden Pakistan, Egypt and others......"


Sandy, read my first sentance in my last post. I'm not only against giving $$$ to Israel. Everyone else is included. What do any of these countries including Israel EVER do for us??? Yeah, Israel gives us their votes, so what? Votes in the UN obviously hold no bearing because if they did, the inspectors would still be in Iraq doing their jobs, so who really cares about votes?

This is the United States of America, let's worry about us. It's never going to be The United States of the World, we just need to get over that, protect ourselves and our allies if and when they are attacked. Saddam has done NOTHING since he invaded Kuwait.

Also, I'm not saying that it's okay to use chemical or biological weapons ever, but when Saddam did use them, it was during war times. Civil war in his own country and war against Iran. Does this make it right? No, but it also wasn't right when we dropped nukes in Japan, was it?

At some point in time, we need to realize that we are not here to save the world.

Dave, all of those facts on Israel are well and good, but when was the last time those Arab countries went after Israel? 1967??? They proved it then that they are more than capable of fighting their own fight, but now it's 36 years later and we are still giving them more than any country could ever dream of. I'm pretty sure that no nation is really dumb enough to go after Israel. I mean think about it. Even if we are not giving them 3 billion a year, everyone knows that if someone really attacked them, nukes, WMD's or otherwise, we would be the first ones over there to F#@% S&%# up.

All I'm saying is, we need to focus on OUR future. Live and let live. If and when the time comes that we really have to protect ourselves, we would like to have the support of our past allies. Right now, I'd be surprised to see that 1/2 the world is on our side.

Here's an example. My mother's side of my family is Greek. One of my cousins who speaks fluent Greek and has traveled to Greece in the past and recieved an extremely warm reception, traveled there recently an was looked upon as an American. People wouldn't even give him the time of day. I'll tell you what, the world's view of the US is changing, and NOT in a good way.
 
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Dave, isn't blowing up the nuclear facility in Iraq protecting "their own backs"? I don't see how Saddam having a nuke that can reach Israel is a threat to us.

Also, there are plenty of terrorist sponsoring nations in the middle east that DO have nukes. What gives us or Israel the right to say who can and can not have nukes?
 
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Dave, all of those facts on Israel are well and good, but when was the last time those Arab countries went after Israel? 1967??? They proved it then that they are more than capable of fighting their own fight, but now it's 36 years later and we are still giving them more than any country could ever dream of. I'm pretty sure that no nation is really dumb enough to go after Israel. I mean think about it. Even if we are not giving them 3 billion a year, everyone knows that if someone really attacked them, nukes, WMD's or otherwise, we would be the first ones over there to F#@% S&%# up.

All I'm saying is, we need to focus on OUR future. Live and let live. If and when the time comes that we really have to protect ourselves, we would like to have the support of our past allies. Right now, I'd be surprised to see that 1/2 the world is on our side.
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Try last week. Read the news, Israel is getting bombed on a regular basis. Maybe not from the air, but terrorism is an act of war.

You're right, we do need to focus on OUR future. Isolationism is just about the worst possible policy at this point, strictly from the point of view of protecting our future.

What do you propose we do to make people like us? Stop giving them money? Stop protecting them? Whether or not people hate me is not my concern, it is theirs. I contend that envy is a primary motive for hatred toward Americans. Granted, right now is probably not the time to start beating war drums again, but we did what we had to do, and we're still working on it.
 
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Dave, isn't blowing up the nuclear facility in Iraq protecting "their own backs"? I don't see how Saddam having a nuke that can reach Israel is a threat to us.

Also, there are plenty of terrorist sponsoring nations in the middle east that DO have nukes. What gives us or Israel the right to say who can and can not have nukes?
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They do have airports. You can (or could, at least) fly from Iraq to the US. How hard would it really be to put a nuke on a commercial jetliner (operated by the state in places like Iraq), fly it over here, and blow it up over New York? Maybe they can only equal the technology of the bombs we dropped on Japan in WWII. If they can do that, they can kill thousands, if not millions, of people with one bomb. If they can get it to Israel, they can get it here.

Israel is our ally. We help them out, they help us out. Too bad they're not allowed on the UN security council.

:):):):):):)
 
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You think that one act, David, is enough to justify the 90 billion dollars that we've spent on them in the last half a century? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell can think of a several things in America where I'd rather have my paycheck go (but welfare is NOT one of them).
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I'm not a big fan of foriegn aid. It would be nice if we didn't give anyone any money. But that isn't going to happen. If we're giving money to anyone, Israel is probably just about the best place to send it. And i'm sure a good chunk of that money comes back to us through foriegn military sales.
 
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I pray that there is a better future coming for us, Israel, the middle east and the rest of the world.

You are right about the jealousy. I'm not saying that we should isolate ourselves from the rest of the world, but throwing money every which way obviously isn't getting the results that we are looking for, is it?

By the way, Israel was attacked again today, and it looks like they went after some Hamas people for retaliation. I guess that's better than the random acts of retaliation that I've seen at times in the past.
 
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Steve, I agree. Mark VIII's with blowers, gears, NOS, lowered, with 18's rule. No doubt.

I can't help but notice the civil, and respectful discourse going on, in addition to the post count and view count.

Seems there is a place for political discourse within the LOD. I knew our membership was mature enough to handle it.

Way to go gang.

'93 MonsterMark Project Car
Bryan

It was especially good to see Sandy toss his hat in the ring. Still waiting for Alexander and a few others to "break wind", so to speak. :p
 
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