Alright, I want some serious attention here to the potenital benfeits of ethanol in a mark 8. Now our cars already like high octane and since 85% ethanol is a good 105 what are the potential problems in our cars? I can't understand why people don't pay any attention to ethanol, cleaner engines, higher octane, cheaper, more power!!!!! You guys gotta quit allowing big fuel companies to poison your minds to believing ethanol is evil, look... in 2007 indy cars are switching over to 100% ethanol. I'm just hoping you guys on here are open minded about the topic here and maybe we can get a guinea car out of someone to figure out what we got here. If you guys haven't figured out yet, yeah im from MN; the ethanol capital of USA. Now I realize many of you probably don't have E-85 available yet but for those who do this should concern you!!
Ethanol powered mark 8!
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Alright, I want some serious attention here to the potenital benfeits of ethanol in a mark 8. Now our cars already like high octane and since 85% ethanol is a good 105 what are the potential problems in our cars? I can't understand why people don't pay any attention to ethanol, cleaner engines, higher octane, cheaper, more power!!!!! You guys gotta quit allowing big fuel companies to poison your minds to believing ethanol is evil, look... in 2007 indy cars are switching over to 100% ethanol. I'm just hoping you guys on here are open minded about the topic here and maybe we can get a guinea car out of someone to figure out what we got here. If you guys haven't figured out yet, yeah im from MN; the ethanol capital of USA. Now I realize many of you probably don't have E-85 available yet but for those who do this should concern you!!
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From some of the things I've read from GM's website regarding the use of ethanol, I think I remember them saying that ethanol engines are built differently than ours. Those differences may only include a reprogramming of a performance chip, but I definitely have no idea.
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Alright, I want some serious attention here to the potenital benfeits of ethanol in a mark 8. Now our cars already like high octane and since 85% ethanol is a good 105 what are the potential problems in our cars? I can't understand why people don't pay any attention to ethanol, cleaner engines, higher octane, cheaper, more power!!!!! You guys gotta quit allowing big fuel companies to poison your minds to believing ethanol is evil, look... in 2007 indy cars are switching over to 100% ethanol. I'm just hoping you guys on here are open minded about the topic here and maybe we can get a guinea car out of someone to figure out what we got here. If you guys haven't figured out yet, yeah im from MN; the ethanol capital of USA. Now I realize many of you probably don't have E-85 available yet but for those who do this should concern you!!
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From some of the things I've read from GM's website regarding the use of ethanol, I think I remember them saying that ethanol engines are built differently than ours. Those differences may only include a reprogramming of a performance chip, but I definitely have no idea.
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
It's not the magic pill the ethanol producers would have you believe either. If not for government mandates, subsidies and tax breaks for the investors, producers, marketers, distributors and end users, ethanol would be prohibitively expensive. One hint, you should notice as I have that it's a seasonal/regional product.
I'm not sure of the pros/cons of its' actual use as far as vehicle maintainance nor what performance benefits/drawbacks are. Please educate us without the advertising hype, as some of us have no choice in the decision to buy and use it.
It's not the magic pill the ethanol producers would have you believe either. If not for government mandates, subsidies and tax breaks for the investors, producers, marketers, distributors and end users, ethanol would be prohibitively expensive. One hint, you should notice as I have that it's a seasonal/regional product.
I'm not sure of the pros/cons of its' actual use as far as vehicle maintainance nor what performance benefits/drawbacks are. Please educate us without the advertising hype, as some of us have no choice in the decision to buy and use it.
sleeper
Former LOD President
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
If you run Ethanol, you may need different O2 sensors, you will definitely need a tune, probably a chip with multiple tunes so you can run regular fuel or ethanol. You don't want to run it when it's cold out, or you'll have hard starting problems. And you may need to replace your entire fuel system. Alchohol is more corrosive and certain hoses and fittings and whatnot may not like them. The injectors should be okay, but a lot of the other stuff will likely need to be replaced.
And you'll get less economy, and be paying more for fuel.
If you can get ethanol for free, do it. If not, it's not worth it.
If you run Ethanol, you may need different O2 sensors, you will definitely need a tune, probably a chip with multiple tunes so you can run regular fuel or ethanol. You don't want to run it when it's cold out, or you'll have hard starting problems. And you may need to replace your entire fuel system. Alchohol is more corrosive and certain hoses and fittings and whatnot may not like them. The injectors should be okay, but a lot of the other stuff will likely need to be replaced.
And you'll get less economy, and be paying more for fuel.
If you can get ethanol for free, do it. If not, it's not worth it.
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
Here is what the owners manual says about ethanol:
Cleaner air
Ford approves the use of gasolines to improve air quality, including
reformulated gasolines that contain oxygenates up to 10% ethanol or
15% MTBE.
Do not use gasolines containing methanol, which can damage critical fuel
system components. Damage resulting from the use of methanol may not
be covered by your warranty.
Here is what the owners manual says about ethanol:
Cleaner air
Ford approves the use of gasolines to improve air quality, including
reformulated gasolines that contain oxygenates up to 10% ethanol or
15% MTBE.
Do not use gasolines containing methanol, which can damage critical fuel
system components. Damage resulting from the use of methanol may not
be covered by your warranty.
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... Do not use gasolines containing methanol, which can damage critical fuelsystem components. Damage resulting from the use of methanol may notbe covered by your warranty.
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Can you spray methanol into the intake without these concerns?
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Can you spray methanol into the intake without these concerns?
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
My Viper is tuned for E85, 93 octane and 110 octane. The engine uses 35% MORE E85 for the same HP level. The cheapeest E85 can be made now is 3$ a gallon. GOV subsidies are what drives the price down.
If you run E85 in your car right now it will run it WAY lean. YOu have to have the fuel trims completely remapped. The octane level of E85 is around 105 so you can make a lot of power on it. My car will top out at 1280-1320 on pump gas but can make 1400rwhp on E85.
The GM flex fuel cars have a ethanol sensor inline which automatically senses the % of E85 that is in the tank. It then automatically adjust the fuel trims accordingly. I have seen this sensor put in a couple of vipers already which allow it to run seemlessly between the two fuels.
Hope this helps, but E85 is no miracle fuel. It works for me because it is a lot cheaper than 8$/gal for 110 octane.
My Viper is tuned for E85, 93 octane and 110 octane. The engine uses 35% MORE E85 for the same HP level. The cheapeest E85 can be made now is 3$ a gallon. GOV subsidies are what drives the price down.
If you run E85 in your car right now it will run it WAY lean. YOu have to have the fuel trims completely remapped. The octane level of E85 is around 105 so you can make a lot of power on it. My car will top out at 1280-1320 on pump gas but can make 1400rwhp on E85.
The GM flex fuel cars have a ethanol sensor inline which automatically senses the % of E85 that is in the tank. It then automatically adjust the fuel trims accordingly. I have seen this sensor put in a couple of vipers already which allow it to run seemlessly between the two fuels.
Hope this helps, but E85 is no miracle fuel. It works for me because it is a lot cheaper than 8$/gal for 110 octane.
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
I would just use 30% Toluene or Xylene with 93 octane fuel and call it a day. That should get you very close to a safe 100 octane with no metallic compounds, including manganese-based compounds containing MMT, lead, etc. Then, get a tune with some timing advance }( .
I would just use 30% Toluene or Xylene with 93 octane fuel and call it a day. That should get you very close to a safe 100 octane with no metallic compounds, including manganese-based compounds containing MMT, lead, etc. Then, get a tune with some timing advance }( .
ryanharrington
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RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
dont forget the real drawback. it costs more energy to produce ethenol then the ethenol can produce itself.
dont forget the real drawback. it costs more energy to produce ethenol then the ethenol can produce itself.
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
Well, wind can, but it's got lower torque yet....
Bud Pytko
'97 LSC Silver Frost
'05 F250 SD CC PSD 4 X 4 AZ Beige
'94 Prowler 5th Wheel
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Well, wind can, but it's got lower torque yet....
Bud Pytko
'97 LSC Silver Frost
'05 F250 SD CC PSD 4 X 4 AZ Beige
'94 Prowler 5th Wheel
http://squarebirds.org/images/BudPytko97LSC.jpg
RE: Ethanol powered mark 8!
Ford has been selling flex fuel vehicles since 1996. In fact Ford invented them. [link:www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/flextech.shtml|Click Here To Read About It]
Ford has been selling flex fuel vehicles since 1996. In fact Ford invented them. [link:www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/flextech.shtml|Click Here To Read About It]
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Last night on The O'reilly Factor, O'reilly said Brazil is now energy self sufficient, meaning they do not import any oil, because they have switched to ethanol for their cars. They must have worked out the problems with short engine life.
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On ethanol from sugar, yeah I seen that too.
Then we wonder why the price of sugar is so high. :9 :7 :+
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Last night on The O'reilly Factor, O'reilly said Brazil is now energy self sufficient, meaning they do not import any oil, because they have switched to ethanol for their cars. They must have worked out the problems with short engine life.
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On ethanol from sugar, yeah I seen that too.
Then we wonder why the price of sugar is so high. :9 :7 :+
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Last night on The O'reilly Factor, O'reilly said Brazil is now energy self sufficient, meaning they do not import any oil, because they have switched to ethanol for their cars. They must have worked out the problems with short engine life.
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Self sufficent doesn't mean cost-effective.
The US could be self sufficient in a matter of years if we built a few dozen more nuclear reactors and switched all vehicles to electric...though all that would be extremely painful.
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Last night on The O'reilly Factor, O'reilly said Brazil is now energy self sufficient, meaning they do not import any oil, because they have switched to ethanol for their cars. They must have worked out the problems with short engine life.
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Self sufficent doesn't mean cost-effective.
The US could be self sufficient in a matter of years if we built a few dozen more nuclear reactors and switched all vehicles to electric...though all that would be extremely painful.