Gov't Screwing Troops in Iraq!!!

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you expect me to belive that? sorry i dont, i know bush is in a buttfrig for money... but i dont see that being true, nor is it being reported by a reputable source show me that link from cnn,fox,nbc

Reported by the San francisco cronicle.... Yea Im sorry that article is a load of Bs
 
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As one of the guys who has collected the addition $75 a month since Oct 02 here’s my view. Hostile Fire Pay or “Combat Pay” had been set at $150 a month for a while. It came as a very “pleasant surprise” earlier this year when Congress decided to increase it, but we were told it was only a temporary thing for this fiscal year. Now the year is ending and it looks like this “temporary” increase is expiring. Am I disappointed? Sure everybody wants more money, but it was unexpected to start with. We have no say so in what kind of monitory salaries we will receive.

The salaries service members receive today are a far cry from what “Waz Fuz” got in Korea back in the early fifties trying to keep mud and ice build up out of his trusty old M-1. Jack probably drew less than $75 a month total back then. In the mid-1970 when I came in my salary was $320 a month. As the draft we away and we became an all-volunteer force salaries have increased dramatically. For a young enlisted guy or gal today, it may seem like minimum wage. But for an 18-19 year old with no skills it’s not a bad wage considering all the other benefits involved. As your skills increase and your rank climbs so does you pay.

Today’s service members are well-trained and well-paid professionals. Sure, you can make more money in some parts of the civilian sector once you’ve gotten your training in the military, but most of us aren’t here for the money although it sure makes it easier to continue if you enjoy the military life style. The military is not for everyone, but today’s all-volunteer military ensure only those who want to be there are there. The business of the military is to “break things and kill people” when diplomats fail. Lately business has been good.

** Bill **
1995 LSC-R'ed w/Recaro's and Cobra R's
Veteran of Carlisle 2000/01/02/03
2003 Mustang Mach 1 (black and stealthy)
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you expect me to belive that? sorry i dont, i know bush is in a buttfrig for money... but i dont see that being true, nor is it being reported by a reputable source show me that link from cnn,fox,nbc

Reported by the San francisco cronicle.... Yea Im sorry that article is a load of Bs

if you keep tuning in to U.S. news stations ONLY like that, the gov't will control what you believe 100%.

IF you think we still have free press, think again.
 
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Yes Bill: The entry pay in 1950 was 37 bucks a month,
and then went up to 61 bucks around the middle of 52 I believe.
37 bucks wasnt much even then, but what was really good for
the young troops like me, was three hots and a cot.

One thing that does concern me tho is the reduction of VA
benifits. I used to pay nothing for any care I receive, and
now, (tho I damn well appreciate the VA care I get) I have
co-pay for all RX,s. Not that Im whinning, but I see a pattern
of the Vets promised benifits eroding.

This is not good in my openion> BTW did you ever find the old
Carlsbad time slip.
Just heard from my son. He was down in Baghdad for a couple of
weeks on a "secert mission", but is now in Barak Sp?
Later Bill and KYHD and YPD. Jack
 
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And BTW Ron: Quit worrying about our troops and
turn the damned power back on!! :)
 
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As I said many times before, I don't agree why you guys went to Iraq, but it's not the troops fault. Damn shame they will be loosing that pay. They are working hard doing a miserable, diffcult job..just pissed me off they are about to get the shaft...
 
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haha yeah right CNN is at the head of the "propaganda machine" They only tell you what they want you to know and CNN gets thier directions from way higher up on what to print and what not to print... Thats why i dont watch TV. Its a load of bull....coverups, and scandals. Hollywood sucks too, their no better with all the crap they put on TV and call it reality shows. TV noadays is a complete and utter waste of time, unless its a documentary or special interview LIVE. Where they can't edit and fix it the way its socially acceptible and flower it up.
 
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haha yeah right CNN is at the head of the "propaganda machine" They only tell you what they want you to know and CNN gets thier directions from way higher up on what to print and what not to print... Thats why i dont watch TV. Its a load of bull....coverups, and scandals. Hollywood sucks too, their no better with all the crap they put on TV and call it reality shows. TV noadays is a complete and utter waste of time, unless its a documentary or special interview LIVE. Where they can't edit and fix it the way its socially acceptible and flower it up.
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Hey Jeff, you really had to really dig deep to find this post.....over a year ago (LOL). The real truth is it was a tempory increase and it's up to congress to extend it, not the Prez, and so far they have. I'm just glad it wasn't paid to me in Canadian money like "RR" seems to think.

** Bill **
Former owner but still maintainer of a 1995 LSC-R'ed w/Recaro's and Cobra R's
Veteran of Carlisle 2000/01/02/03/4
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Hey Jeff, you really had to really dig deep to find this post.....over a year ago (LOL). The real truth is it was a tempory increase and it's up to congress to extend it, not the Prez, and so far they have. I'm just glad it wasn't paid to me in Canadian money like "RR" seems to think.** Bill **Former owner but still maintainer of a 1995 LSC-R'ed w/Recaro's and Cobra R'sVeteran of Carlisle 2000/01/02/03/4[a href=//cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=258112]For Pic's and Mods click here[/a] If you can read this,thank a teacher. If it's in English, Thank a Veteran.
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Yeah i know..sometimes when im bored i go searching for old posts in history archives or special "searches". Im a sucker for history and old laughs.
 
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I can tell you first hand that we are working to develop and field armor for FMTV vehicles as fast as possible. We are spending millions of dollars on this effort. There are kits already being installed on vehicles in Iraq, with more kits in process, and another, better solution in developement. There are kits in process for the M900 series of vehicles as well, but that's not my project.

The root problem is that these vehicles were designed as combat support vehicles and were intended to operate behind the front line. When we went into Iraq, though, we headed straight for Baghdad without bothering to secure the rest of the country. As a result, there are no front lines for the tactical vehicles to stay behind, and they are being attacked. HMMWV's are having the same problems. Believe me, our truckers aren't expendable. We are doing everything we can to get armor to them as fast as possible. One of my coworkers is in Iraq as we speak installing armor kits on vehicles.
 
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The best solution is to just bring these troops home where they belong rather than to continue to fight this fraudulent war. Civil war is inevitable, and although it will look bad if we leave now, it's better than staying. Every dollar we spend will go to waste the minute we leave.....then again, maybe leaving isn't in the plans at all.
 
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The troops have more problems than money.http://www.dominionpost.com/a/edit/2004/08/26/ac/
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Wow, talk about bringing a story home. That's my home newspaper! I read Hackworth's story that day and immediately remembered Dave(sleeper) was intimately involved in working on a resolution for this particular issue. I usually enjoy reading Hackworth's op eds, but this particular one was not his best take on the story as Dave so poignantly pointed out.
 
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I had to chime in on this one, it's too good to pass. For our neighbors to the north who do think we went to war for the wrong reason, let me give you MY justification. Over the last 30+ years the 80% majority was ruled by the 20% minority. Thats right, Saddam's regime was the minority of the Iraqi population. Does anyone remember all the kurds he murdered HITLER STYLE???? So to the 80% or so of Iraqi's we LIBERATED from a TYRANT we are good guys. You wont see this or hear it on CNN, because like it has been said before, they get money from the political party that starts with a D. So do most networks. But that's a different issue. Did you watch tv the day that we rolled into Baghdad? Did you see his statue tumble and see the people hit the statue with their shoes? That is one of the most disrespectful things you can do in Islamic culture, to show the bottom sides of your feet to someone. The majority of people are now unafraid to say things about the government. Anyone remember that Abu Grahib was a torture prison before we got there? Saddam used it to BRUTALLY kill "political opponents" He didnt take pictures of their Wee-wees, or have them get in big naked man piles, he did things way to terrible to describe. I'm not saying that our actions in the prison are acceptable by any means, we are there to show the Iraqi people that we are not replacing one tyrant with another. But it's funny how those soldiers are getting more media attention that Nick Berg and his decapitation (that's right, if we forget the horrors being done to us, it makes GW look like a bully), which is far more inhumane than wee-wee pictures. Yep, you guessed it, the Democrat controlled media has a hand in that to make us feel bad about freeing millions of people from a guy who used nerve agents on the 1 million or so kurds(all this is verifiable). So, now dig up a video of saddam's statue falling down, find one of the "political opponents" being bound and pushed off a 4 story building, or imagine what cruel and vicious torture treatments were used in Abu Grahib before we "tortured" those people.

As far as the pay goes, did you know that our last president "Slick Willy" didnot approve one pay raise over the minimum required amount for the military in his whole scandal-laden 8 year tenure??

But we still love our Canadian neighbors and their weird ways (Mayonnaise on fries???)
 
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I had to chime in on this one, it's too good to pass. For our neighbors to the north who do think we went to war for the wrong reason, let me give you MY justification. Over the last 30+ years the 80% majority was ruled by the 20% minority. Thats right, Saddam's regime was the minority of the Iraqi population. Does anyone remember all the kurds he murdered HITLER STYLE???? So to the 80% or so of Iraqi's we LIBERATED from a TYRANT we are good guys. You wont see this or hear it on CNN, because like it has been said before, they get money from the political party that starts with a D. So do most networks. But that's a different issue. Did you watch tv the day that we rolled into Baghdad? Did you see his statue tumble and see the people hit the statue with their shoes? That is one of the most disrespectful things you can do in Islamic culture, to show the bottom sides of your feet to someone. The majority of people are now unafraid to say things about the government. Anyone remember that Abu Grahib was a torture prison before we got there? Saddam used it to BRUTALLY kill "political opponents" He didnt take pictures of their Wee-wees, or have them get in big naked man piles, he did things way to terrible to describe. I'm not saying that our actions in the prison are acceptable by any means, we are there to show the Iraqi people that we are not replacing one tyrant with another. But it's funny how those soldiers are getting more media attention that Nick Berg and his decapitation (that's right, if we forget the horrors being done to us, it makes GW look like a bully), which is far more inhumane than wee-wee pictures. Yep, you guessed it, the Democrat controlled media has a hand in that to make us feel bad about freeing millions of people from a guy who used nerve agents on the 1 million or so kurds(all this is verifiable). So, now dig up a video of saddam's statue falling down, find one of the "political opponents" being bound and pushed off a 4 story building, or imagine what cruel and vicious torture treatments were used in Abu Grahib before we "tortured" those people.As far as the pay goes, did you know that our last president "Slick Willy" didnot approve one pay raise over the minimum required amount for the military in his whole scandal-laden 8 year tenure?? But we still love our Canadian neighbors and their weird ways (Mayonnaise on fries???)
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Why is bush using excuses of events that took place 10+ years ago to take him out now?
We all know no one gives a crap about the kurds, and sadly, no one ever will, it’s just another excuse since plan A was to go in for WMD’s FAILD.

Do you even remember what the U.S. administration during the late 80's early 90's said about the gasing of the Kurds? They said we simply cannot prove he did it, or do we have a stand on the issue. Now 15 years later, they want to revenge the Kurds after losing the WMD argument?

with all respect... my 0.02cents.
 
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We arent done looking for WMD, and the whole world was led to believe that there were/are WMD. Being in the intelligence industry myself (I am a 2621, 2629 and 2611) I can tell you that "Military Intelligence" is only as good as it's sources. He took a gamble on WMD, and who knows if it will pay off. Oh, and by the way we have found some items like the warheads with Sarin and there's a long trench about 6 miles north of Baghdad that has all sorts of goodies in it, I'm sure as the election draws closer we'll prolly find something....

I do remember the late 80's and early 90's, we went to Iraq in 91.
Even if the WMD's never show up, we liberated people. I think that more than justifies going over there.

I appreciate everyone's view on this, and I thank you for your support no matter what your position is.
 
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To me the only reason we needed to take out Saddam was that he was making the US look like his bitch. He was thumbing his nose at us and not doing his part in regards to the cease fire agreement at the "end" of the first gulf war. How can we expect to be respected in other parts of the world if that pussy Saddam can say one thing to our face, then completely ignore it as soon as we're out of his backyard? We had to take him out to maintain credibility. And it's working. Libya and Iran agreed to weapons inspections already.

Then there's the whole brutal dictator thing.

Not to mention the fact that EVERYBODY, YES, EVERYBODY thought there were WMD there before we went in. That's including the UN, including France, including Germany and Russia. That includes Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, our entire intelligence service. As well as you and me. I don't recall anyone arguing that fact, the only protests i remember were a bunch of pinko commies holding anti-war signs and saying that the problem with this country is capitalism (see protestwarrior.com and the video from san francisco, for the particular #### i'm referring to).

Bush went in with the approval of congress, as well as an open declaration of war from the early '90's. Not to mention numerous UN resolutions promising enforcement of the sanctions he was ignoring. Just because France was criminally taking bribes from that dirty bastard and holding up a UN resolution (what would that be, the 13th one?) doesn't mean it was a fraudulent war.

Before the Iraq war, support for going in and taking out that murderous dictator was in excess of 70%. Now everyone is acting like Bush hijacked the military and sent us in to slaughter children. Pretty short memory, eh?
 
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YOU DA MAN!!:p

Absolutely right, notice how the oil for food UN scandal isnt making headlines?? CNN-NBC-ABC-CBS all should be responsible for equitable reporting... Damn dirty French fu*ks. They got us in Vietnam too...
 
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