Wireless taser is coming

It does immobilize, but if it actually works as its supposed to and doesn't "disconnect"(ciruit), they will only be immobilized for 5 seconds. After that, you have complete control over your body again. Seeing this first hand, in person, there is NO reason a person can't function after "the ride". Once the pulsing stops, you have complete mobility and would be able to comply.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGZK0n4lcl4

I would suggest that any law enforcement person who uses a taser actually get "tased" as part of the certification process. Not only will it teach them how it affects perps, but they may be more inclined to think before firing - knowing how it feels and such.

I just don't buy the "immediately mobile after shutoff" statement. I would think that the target is "buzzed" for at least ten seconds afterwards.

I must be going now...before J goes out and starts pulling over every black Mark VIII in southern CA and tases the drivers. ;)
 
I am one of the few people I know who would never admit guilt

And you are much more likely to get stuck with the ticket vs. a verbal warning.

It should be known before answering that in many states, including Florida, you will be arrested for refusing to sign a ticket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=IMaMYL_shxc

In my opinion the cop did not act reasonably

J, for the CHP, do you have to issue some sort of verbal warning or can you tase them if they start to walk away as soon as you say they are under arrest?

A refusal to sign in Cali doesn't justify arrest until we take the proper procedures, i.e. supervisor come out and explain.

I think that cop jumped it up a couple notches a bit too fast AND he never told the guy he was under arrest. The cop created that situation and then used his taser...in the biz we call it "creating an exigent circumstance". Now, in the cops defense....look when the guy starts to walk away....he starts to reach into his right cargo pocket. In a split second desicion, I would have definitally tased him too, but in my situation, the guy would know he was under arrest prior to me drawing out my taser.

We do NOT have to give any commands by law or policy, however, we are trained to say Taser, taser, taser when other officers are around so they don't think I'm actually shooting the guy with my gun. Same goes for the bean bag shotgun, but in that case we say "teabag, teabag, teabag!" LMAO!

I would suggest that any law enforcement person who uses a taser actually get "tased" as part of the certification process. Not only will it teach them how it affects perps, but they may be more inclined to think before firing - knowing how it feels and such.

I just don't buy the "immediately mobile after shutoff" statement. I would think that the target is "buzzed" for at least ten seconds afterwards.

I must be going now...before J goes out and starts pulling over every black Mark VIII in southern CA and tases the drivers. ;)

We do, and most law enforcement agencies for that matter. Its implemented in our Academy now, it wasn't when I went through but we got it at the office. AND we go the FULL ride, not this bitch zap and turn it off. The initial sequence is 5 LONG seconds but it will continue until the battery runs dry if you hold the trigger.

No worries Wayne...I'm off today. ;)

See...we did it....again, completely mobile after. Notice how you cannot hear the taser popping, its a complete circuit.

Look at his arms, he's holding himself up.


 
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That vid that Kyle posted pisses me off. You know J, I'm sure tasers serve a good purpose and that 99% of the time they are used properly, but its instances like that that are just wrong, and the sad thing is that a civilian can not do anything to defend himself. If I had been that guy I would have wanted to beat the **** out of that stupid cop for how he acted. Instead the guy gets screwed, tased, and goes to jail because the officer was hot headed and didnt follow protocol. Plus, odds are, the cop faced no penalty for his actions, at most a slap on the wrist.

Another video like it, way over played but also shows unjust use of a taser and abuse of power by cops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE What did he do that caused that? Sure they warned him that he'd be tased, but you're plain stupid if you think I wouldn't question why I'm being arrested. Even when he "resisted" he put his hands up and was just trying to ask what he was being arrested for.

Sure that vid and kyle's are just a couple examples that involve negativity with tasers, but thats just bull**** and theres no excuse for the cops' behavior.

As for tasers not doing any harm. Yes, your body operates by sending electric signals to various body parts, but that is all in a closed system. I'm no doctor but I can't picture that introducing an outside signal would have no negative effect. Its like in a car. There is an electrical system that controls everything. Get a bad current from an outside source from the wrong spot, and it can fry a component or even the pcm, which then the whole damn thing is screwed. Who's to say a human is any different? I'm no doctor, are you? Are your bosses who told you the info about the new "tool" doctor's? Are the salesman who got your bosses to invest in their product doctors?

Officers already have enough tools at their disposal. Mace, billy clubs, cuffs, guns (bullet and "teabags"), gas, **** idk what you guys all have. I see no reason why one man needs to electricute another to detain him.
 
And you are much more likely to get stuck with the ticket vs. a verbal warning.

Of course I try to make myself as unforgettable as possible I just avoid certain words or admitting to a lesser crime. There is only one time I have ever just said I am not going to answer any more questions and it was with a cop I already knew was going to write me a ticket and was inquiring to other tickets within the same small PD which were awaiting trial date assignment and a month before passing speedy trial. (180 days in TC in FL)

Another video like it, way over played but also shows unjust use of a taser and abuse of power by cops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE What did he do that caused that? Sure they warned him that he'd be tased, but you're plain stupid if you think I wouldn't question why I'm being arrested. Even when he "resisted" he put his hands up and was just trying to ask what he was being arrested for.

Sure that vid and kyle's are just a couple examples that involve negativity with tasers, but thats just bull**** and theres no excuse for the cops' behavior.

**** that kid I am glad he got tazed.

When an officer says you're under arrest, you comply and shut your mouth. Do not speak to them until you get a lawyer. Once they say it that's it, stop talking. That kid obviously resisted arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc&feature=related
 
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Plain and simple. When someone resists in ANY means we have the option to use either A)personal weapons (hands/feet/headbutt, lol), B)taser, C)baton, D)asp, E)pepper spray. That dude in the video was OBVIOUSLY resisting.

I'm no doctor, but the scientists and doctors that invented the taser's technology ARE. My bosses didn't train use, the company does. They don't need to sell the equipment, just teach us how it works.

People are people, every Cop is different. I'm not justifying any of their actions, but I'm gonna tase the piss out of someone before I try to detain them if they puff up and start clinching their fists.
 
I understand that when you resist your getting arrested, but for the cops to try to detain for no reason to begin with is wrong. Oh well, I dont have to worry I always do my best to cooperate.
 
"Speeding ticket guy" wasn't being arrested for resisting being detained. He was being arrested for failure to sign the speeding ticket, although another good way to avoid that would be for the officer to tell him its not an admission of guilt, just acknowledging you've gotten the ticket. I'd say about 50% of officers have told me that when they tell me to sign it.
 
Why do you have to sign a ticket anyway? If you run a light where a camera catches you, they just mail you the citation.
 
For the hell of it. Did a quick little search on google. Came up with a lot more results but I picked what seem to be most credible.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/taser.death/index.html
"Dr. Randolph Williams, the Winn Parish medical examiner, said he found no sign of drug use in the autopsy and no record of asthma in Pikes' medical history." No drugs there...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/earlyshow/main3512452.shtml
Nothing from the coroner or anything, but from the story it sounds as if the guy was not on anything.
Video to go with: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3505208n

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6386600
This one, ehh, doesn't give a time frame of the death or any autopsy report, but still, death.

Like I said, there are many more. I found the one where the guy fell after being tasered. Yes he didnt die from the taser, but if they didnt taser him he wouldnt have fallen, imo that was just bad judgement on their part. And there are others where alcohol was involved, but I can't help but ask, if the person wasn't tasered, would they still be alive.

All in all, I'm just fueling the fire for the sake of discussion.
 
**** that kid I am glad he got tazed.That kid obviously resisted arrest.

+1

I understand that when you resist your getting arrested, but for the cops to try to detain for no reason to begin with is wrong.

No reason? How about disorderly in public, disrupting the peace...etc.

"Speeding ticket guy" wasn't being arrested for resisting being detained. He was being arrested for failure to sign the speeding ticket, although another good way to avoid that would be for the officer to tell him its not an admission of guilt, just acknowledging you've gotten the ticket. I'd say about 50% of officers have told me that when they tell me to sign it.

That guy probably didn't even know he was going to be under arrest. Like I said, the cop created that situation. He could have told the guy...."if you want to contest the ticket you can do that in court, I'm not going to argue with you on the freeway." "Sign the ticket or you will be placed under arrest for failure to sign."

I did research on this video when it first came out and that isn't the first time that cop had used excessive force and he was put on 30 day unpaid suspension.

Why do you have to sign a ticket anyway? If you run a light where a camera catches you, they just mail you the citation.

Because the citation is a legal document. If you don't sign it, you can get the case thrown out by saying "I wasn't there, it wasn't me". etc.

For the hell of it. Did a quick little search on google. Came up with a lot more results but I picked what seem to be most credible.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/taser.death/index.html
"Dr. Randolph Williams, the Winn Parish medical examiner, said he found no sign of drug use in the autopsy and no record of asthma in Pikes' medical history." No drugs there...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/earlyshow/main3512452.shtml
Nothing from the coroner or anything, but from the story it sounds as if the guy was not on anything.
Video to go with: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3505208n

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6386600
This one, ehh, doesn't give a time frame of the death or any autopsy report, but still, death.

Like I said, there are many more. I found the one where the guy fell after being tasered. Yes he didnt die from the taser, but if they didnt taser him he wouldnt have fallen, imo that was just bad judgement on their part. And there are others where alcohol was involved, but I can't help but ask, if the person wasn't tasered, would they still be alive.

All in all, I'm just fueling the fire for the sake of discussion.

Its stupid. Its common knowledge that VOLTS don't kill a person, its the AMPS that kill you. The taser uses 1 amp of power, far from the amount needed to stop your heart or any of that junk, that is, unless your heart is working triple time cuz your hopped up on PCP. Using a taser isn't like trying to De-Fib someone!

All those news stories are just the media trying to hype the shiz up, just like they always do.

Jarod, you keep believing everything you read. :) Until you've experienced personally, you can only base your opinions on what you see/hear.
 
Not really related but the cop who tazed the naked guy who fell to his death killed himself not long ago.
 
The guy wasnt being disorderly, he was asking questions to John Kerry, they had the microphone set up there just for people to ask questions.

Those arent they only article I've found. I found others about how TASER Industries or whatever they're called are suing medical examiners for falsely attributing death to taser use. In the same article it stated that the taser company does recognize 6 deaths as being from tasers. I didn't link the article because I've never heard of the source before, but there were multiple sites. I don't know how they could hype up the facts. Someone was tasered. Someone died shortly after. No drugs to ramp up the heart rate were found in the body. Explain?

Don't think I believe everything I read. I'm just putting out info that I've found from what people would call credible sources. Why would I listen to media, they're all government controlled anyway... Oh and btw names not Jarod but I don't really care either way.
 
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Its stupid. Its common knowledge that VOLTS don't kill a person, its the AMPS that kill you. The taser uses 1 amp of power, far from the amount needed to stop your heart or any of that junk, that is, unless your heart is working triple time cuz your hopped up on PCP. Using a taser isn't like trying to De-Fib someone!

J, you are ABSOLUTELY right, amps are what kills. But it can take as little as 50 milliamps to kill in the right place! I couldn't find any other repeatable sources right now...but just keep it in mind!

http://www.physics.udel.edu/wwwusers/watson/scen103/99s/clas0308.html
 
Not really related but the cop who tazed the naked guy who fell to his death killed himself not long ago.

I read that too, its a shame.

The guy wasnt being disorderly,

Okay.

taser company does recognize 6 deaths as being from tasers.

Well, a year ago it was only 1. :D I would imagine there have been 100 of thousands of deployments since then so if 6 deaths save a 100,000 officer's lives, I'm all for it. I can assure you they didn't taze an old lady or someone who didn't partially deserve it. :D

Someone was tasered. Someone died shortly after. No drugs to ramp up the heart rate were found in the body. Explain?

The autopsy looks for the cause of death, but what if that person has had years of heart problems or 20 years of cocaine use and they are a meth head? The taser was probably just the icing on the cake.

Why would I listen to media, they're all government controlled anyway... Oh and btw names not Jarod but I don't really care either way.

+1 I hate the media. Sorry....I read Jacob but wrote Jarod. :(

J, you are ABSOLUTELY right, amps are what kills. But it can take as little as 50 milliamps to kill in the right place! I couldn't find any other repeatable sources right now...but just keep it in mind!

http://www.physics.udel.edu/wwwusers/watson/scen103/99s/clas0308.html

Here is the problem with this logic. The taser does NOT electricute the entire body. It sends signals via the central nervous system. It doesn't effect your heart beat, your blood flow, or even oxygen to your brain (except the fact that you scream when tased, lol). Being tazed does not create fibrillation like I explained above stating its not like using a de-fib and shocking someones heart.

Tough to argue with a photo.

Maybe they have you sign being that it's "his word against your's".

Exactly. Thats why you have to take them before a magistrate (judge) if they won't sign.
 
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From the Taser.com website.

http://www.taser.com/research/technology/Pages/NeuromuscularIncapacitation.aspx

Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI) Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI)
Published: 3/12/2007

The human nervous system communicates with simple electrical impulses. The command center (brain and spinal cord) processes information and makes decisions. The peripheral nervous system includes the sensory and motor nerves. The sensory nerves carry information from the body to the brain (temperature, touch, etc.). The motor nerves carry commands from the brain to the muscles to control movement.
TASER technology uses similar electrical impulses to cause stimulation of the sensory and motor nerves. Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI) occurs when a device is able to cause involuntary stimulation of both the sensory nerves and the motor nerves. It is not dependent on pain and is effective on subjects with a high level of pain tolerance.

Previous generations of stun guns could primarily affect the sensory nerves only, resulting in pain compliance. A subject with a very high tolerance to pain (e.g., a drug abuser, or a trained, focused fighter) might be able to fight through the pain of a traditional stun gun.

Watch video demonstration of the difference between stun gun pain compliance and TASER NMI. Watch Video

COMMON EFFECTS OF NMI

The use of TASER technology causes incapacitation and strong muscle contractions making secondary injuries a possibility. These potential injuries include but are not limited to: cuts, bruises, impact injuries, and abrasions caused by falling, and strain-related injuries from strong muscle contractions such as muscle or tendon tears, or stress fractures. These injuries are secondary in nature and not directly attributable to the electric output of the TASER device, but are possible consequences of the strong muscle contractions the TASER device induces to produce incapacitation. Some of the effects may include:

Subject can fall immediately to the ground and be unable to catch him/herself.
Subjects located in the water may drown if their ability to move is restricted.
Subject may yell or scream.
Involuntary strong muscle contractions.
Subject may freeze in place with legs locked.
Subject may feel dazed for several seconds/minutes.
Potential vertigo.
Temporary tingling sensation.
May experience critical stress amnesia (may not remember any pain).

Discover more about NMI scientific principles. Learn More
 
http://www.taser.com/research/Science/Pages/NMIScientificPrinciples.aspx

A TASER-brand device is an Electronic Control Device (ECD) that uses a technology called Neuro-Muscular Incapacitation (NMI). Its purpose is to incapacitate someone with minimal risk of serious injury. Prior non-lethal weapons function by merely causing pain or destructive injury. The intention is that the pain or the bodily injury will dissuade the subject from continuing an unwanted behavior and elicit cooperation. However, focused individuals, people under the influence of drugs, or people who are pain insensitive may not feel pain, or may be sufficiently motivated to attack or fight through pain. The proprietary Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI) technology in TASER devices does not rely on pain or injury for its incapacitating effect(s). Rather, the TASER device uses electrical stimuli to interfere with the signals sent by the command and control systems of the body, at the peripheral nervous system level, to impair the subject’s ability to temporarily control his own body.

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Figure 10 Neurons. Fig. 3.1 of Reilly, 1998. (a) Motor (muscle) and (b) sensory neurons are responsible for sensation and movement. They operate by propagating electrical signals. The human nervous system is the command and control system of the human body. It has three primary elements: the central nervous system, the sensory nervous system and the motor nervous system.
The central nervous system includes the brain and spinal cord. This is the command center, where all decision-making processes occur. One can think of the central nervous system like the computer that controls the body, including all memory and conscious thought. Out from this central computer is a network of "wiring" that carries signals to and from the brain. This "wiring" is comprised of nerve cells, or "neurons" that function very similarly to the wiring of a computer network. In fact, neurons carry information in the form of electrical impulses to and from the brain.

The sensory nervous system includes the nerves that carry information to the brain about the state of the body and its environment. Sensory nerves in the skin communicate heat, cold, pain, touch, and other sensations. Similarly, nerves carry visual data from the eyes, audio data from the ears, and olfactory data from the nose. All of this data is transmitted in the form of electrical impulses along the neurons into the brain.

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Figure 11 Sensory Receptors. Fig. 3.16 of Reilly (1998). Section of the skin showing several types of sensory receptors. Sensory receptors can include sensors for touch, heat, feel, pressure, cold, etc.
The motor nervous system includes the nerves that carry commands from the brain out to the body. These nerves are primarily involved in muscular control. Commands from the brain are transmitted as patterns of electrical impulses through the nerves into the muscles, causing the muscles to move in certain patterns caused by the pattern of stimulation from the brain.

Below is a conceptual representation illustrating the concept of operation of TASER devices. TASER devices use very short duration low energy electrical pulses that are somewhat similar to the pulses used by neurons to communicate. If you think of the nervous system as an electrical communications network, TASER devices are like remote controls that plug into that network, and temporarily take control of, or interfere with, the communication patterns between the brain and the body.

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TASER Devices Stimulate the Nervous System with Pulses Similar to Those Used by Nerves to Communicate One analogy helpful in understanding TASER technology is a telephone network. If person A is talking on the phone with person B, and suddenly person C picks up another handset and begins yelling into the phone, persons A and B can no longer effectively communicate - their conversation has been interfered with. However, when person C ceases yelling and disconnects, the normal conversation can resume again. The telephone hardware is not damaged in any way by the yelling, it is just that the temporary over-stimulation of the network prevented communication on a transient and temporary basis. Similarly, TASER devices cause stimulation of the nerves that is temporary in nature with minimal risk of causing serious damage to the hardware of the communication network by the interference.
Basics of Nerve & Muscle Stimulation

As mentioned previously, the body's neurons conduct electrical stimuli to and from the brain. When a neuron is in its resting state, electrically charged ions are pumped across the cell membrane such that net positive charge collects outside the membrane and a net negative charge collects inside the membrane. In this state, the membrane serves as a charged capacitor. When the nerve cell is stimulated, channels in the membrane open up temporarily, allowing the positive ions to temporarily rush across the membrane (opposites attract). At this moment in time, the voltage potential across the membrane briefly flips polarity as the charge balance reverses. This process is called an action potential. As an action potential occurs in one section of the cell membrane, the change in the electric fields causes the adjacent section of the membrane to depolarize. The result is a chain reaction of action potentials cascading down the length of the neuron, thereby carrying an electric impulse along the neuron. One important point to understand about action potentials is that they come in only one magnitude. For each neuron, there is a threshold stimulation level. Once this threshold is attained, an action potential will occur. There are not different intensities of action potential, they are an "All-or-None" phenomenon. In other words, there is no such thing as a partial or weak action potential. Either the threshold potential is reached and an action potential occurs, or it is not reached and no action potential occurs. Each neuron can only deliver one magnitude of impulse. Whether a muscle contraction will be strong or weak is not a function of the magnitude of the impulses of the connected neurons (again, there is no difference between impulses). The difference is the pattern of impulses delivered. The section below describes the process by which these nerve impulses cause muscular contractions:

The Neuromuscular Junction

Nerve impulses (action potentials) traveling down the motor neurons of the sensory-somatic branch of the nervous system cause the skeletal muscle fibers at which they terminate to contract. The junction between the terminal of a motor neuron and a muscle fiber is called the neuromuscular junction. It is simply one kind of synapse. (The neuromuscular junction is also called the myoneural junction.)

The terminals of motor axons contain thousands of vesicles filled with acetylcholine (ACh). When an action potential reaches the axon terminal, hundreds of these vesicles discharge their ACh onto a specialized area of postsynaptic membrane on the fiber. This area contains a cluster of transmembrane channels that are opened by ACh and let sodium ions (Na+) diffuse in. The interior of a resting muscle fiber has a resting potential of about -95 millivolts (mV). The influx of sodium ions reduces the charge, creating an end plate potential. If the end plate potential reaches the threshold voltage (approximately -50 mV), sodium ions flow in with a rush and an action potential is created in the fiber. The action potential sweeps down the length of the fiber just as it does in an axon. No visible change occurs in the muscle fiber during (and immediately following) the action potential. This period, called the latent period, lasts from 3-10 milliseconds (ms). Before the latent period is over, the enzyme acetylcholinesterase breaks down the ACh in the neuromuscular junction (at a speed of 25,000 molecules per second) the sodium channels close, and the field is cleared for the arrival of another nerve impulse. The resting potential of the fiber is restored by an outflow of potassium ions. The brief (1-2 ms) period needed to restore the resting potential is called the refractory period.
Tetanus

The process of muscles contracting takes some 50 ms; relaxation of the fiber takes another 50 to 100 ms. Because the refractory period is so much shorter than the time needed for contraction and relaxation, the fiber can be maintained in the contracted state so long as it is stimulated frequently enough (e.g., 50 stimuli per second). Such sustained contraction is called tetanus. When shocks are given at one per second, the muscle responds with a single twitch. At five per second and 10 per second, the individual twitches begin to fuse together, a phenomenon called clonus. At 50 shocks per second, the muscle goes into the smooth, sustained contraction of tetanus. Clonus and tetanus are possible because the refractory period is much briefer than the time needed to complete a cycle of contraction and relaxation. Note that the amount of contraction is greater in clonus and tetanus than in a single twitch. As we normally use our muscles, the individual fibers go into tetanus for brief periods rather than simply undergoing single twitches.
Effects of Repeated Pulses on Muscle Tension
 
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Figure 13 Fig. 3.22 from Reilly, 1998. Single muscle twitches will fuse together with sufficient repeated stimulus pulses producing increased muscle tension. TASER devices have a pulse rate of approximately twenty (20) pulses per second (PPS).
How the TASER Device Does What It Does to the Body

TASER devices deliver very short duration electrical pulses at a rate of 15-20 pulses per second. As mentioned earlier, the first generation stun devices such as the TASER TF-76 and the AIR TASER 34000 only delivered sufficient charge in each pulse to stimulate the sensory nerves close to the skin. Very little motor nerve stimulation occurred, resulting in relatively low effectiveness against focused, motivated, or pain-resistant subjects. Click here to view a video comparing NMI vs. Stun technology The TASER M26 and X26 deliver a similar train of electrical pulses, also at 15-20 pulses per second. However, the M26 and X26 devices deliver more electrical charge in each pulse. This higher charge results in deeper nerves, such as motor nerves, being stimulated. As a result, the motor nerves between the two electrodes fire at a rate of roughly 20 pulses per second. This stimulation rate is sufficient to cause clonus, where the individual twitches fuse together into a sustained contraction. However, it is well below the 50-60 pulses per second required to cause complete tetanus (a smooth, continuous contraction of the muscle tissue). Accordingly, the stimulation from the TASER device does cause less muscle contraction than the types of contractions caused voluntarily by the brain. As noted before, both nerve cells and muscle cells can be stimulated with electricity (both nerve and muscle cells use action potentials during stimulation). The mechanism of stimulation from the TASER devices is not direct electrical stimulation of muscle tissue, but stimulation of motor nerves which then stimulate muscles in a nerve-mediated mechanism. This has been demonstrated in laboratory testing wherein a test animal was administered a drug which blocked the neuron-muscular junction (similar to curare). Before the drug administration, the application of the TASER device caused significant muscular contractions. After the drug administration, the TASER application caused insignificant muscle reaction, demonstrating that the mechanism of effect is mediated by the motor nerves not a direct electrical stimulation of the muscle tissue. This is an important concept in that the muscle contractions are mediated by the neuromuscular junction, just as in normal activity.
 
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