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Lee Billing

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Here is another pic and a pic with a question. I am having an issue with the motor not being centered in the engine compartment. From front frame rail to frame rail it measures about 30 1/2 inches. The motor sits at about 14 7/8 inches from the pass frame rail to the center of the bolt in the damper. I would like to see it at about 15 1/4. My buddy and I tried to get it to move over but it will not budge. Has someone encountered this? Is this normal? Maybe someone can throw a tape across the front damper bolt from frame rail to frame rail and see if mine is OK or if I need to do something.

Thanks
Lee

EDIT: I did some digging and found that the reason the engine is offset to the pass. side is to compensate for driver only conditions.
 

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:thumbsup: That looks super bitchin! Those chrome valve covers look sick.

ARe those FRPP ignition wires? What wire loom separators are you using?

Did you drop the motor in from the top? How hard was it to swing it in there?
 
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Those 6 banger headers are cute, want them on my coffee table.

The new motor looks awesome. What did you do for the valve covers? That real chrome? Looks too good to be powder coated.
Thats a mean looking T bird. I like it. Need a rear turbo SC coupe bumper cover? i got one in the parts shed I have no use for. Wanna sell it.
 
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opalescent 96 said:
:thumbsup: That looks super bitchin! Those chrome valve covers look sick.

ARe those FRPP ignition wires? What wire loom separators are you using?

Did you drop the motor in from the top? How hard was it to swing it in there?
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Thanks for the compliments. Yes they are FRPP wires. The loom holders came with the wires, they are just the plastic snap style. The motor and trans went in the top together. I had the steering shaft out so it was pretty tight but not too bad.

Sierra3 said:
Those 6 banger headers are cute, want them on my coffee table.

The new motor looks awesome. What did you do for the valve covers? That real chrome? Looks too good to be powder coated.
Thats a mean looking T bird. I like it. Need a rear turbo SC coupe bumper cover? i got one in the parts shed I have no use for. Wanna sell it.
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Thanks, the valve covers are real chrome. Check out this thread, post number 5.
http://lincolnsofdistinction.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=39341
Not sure what a turbo SC bumper cover is ? But if you wanna send me some pics maybe we can work somethin out.
 
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Day 11

Ok guys here is an update. Got the trans crossmember modified to fit the tr3650 mount. (no pics yet, sorry) Got the heater core hooked up with a little help from my neighborhood Oreilly's. They let me look through their preformed hoses and I found that a hose for a 2.3 ford from 89-93 worked for me. Well part of it did...LOL.
I also figure out my SATC issue. I cut the section of pipe out of the SC system and used it as part of the other heater core hose. Worked out pretty well.
Installed AC lines. Had to go junkyarding for a compressor manifold from a 4.6 Bird, the Cobra one would not work, and the high pressure line that runs over the strut tower to the compressor.
Installed the radiator and all related cooling system components.
Finally I ran the engine harness and had to relocate the bulkhead connector.
This is coming along nicely. Now I have to pull the trans back out for the final fabrication on the shifter relocation bracket and related linkages and it can go back in for good.
 

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some progress

Thanks for the good words guys.
Well I got some more stuff done. Sorry for the down time, I was in fabricator purgatory. The trans shifter relocation bracket is finished.

Slave cylinder and custom line installed (thanks to McLeod Racing) I didnt end up using this bleeder setup. I used a Mustang adapter without the bleeder.
 

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One more trans pic.
I also modified the oil pressure gauge and installed the pressure switch.

Now my question for the pros. I primed the motor and attempted to start it. It starts for about 2 secs and dies immediately. No amount of throttle will do anything. If I touch the throttle while it is running it will rev normally. I checked fuel pressure and it is at about 40 for pump prime and drops to about 35 while cranking or running. It will not restart once it dies unless you cycle the key to off than back to start. Unfortunately I do not have a OBDII scanner until Monday.
I checked all PCM powers and grounds all are good. What has me confused is the fact that when it dies it acts like the PCM just shuts off. If the PCM has power for 2 secs why would it suddenly loose it? I also swapped in another known good MAF and no change.
Seems like power supply to me but Im confused as to why it would start at all if it had no power to it. Coils have power when it runs and with key on as they should. I checked 5 0f the 8 injectors and they have power and ground as they should. The other 3 are difficult to get to but even if all three of those are bad the car should run but very poorly.
 

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Pats?
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From what I am seeing in the EVTM the PATS is just an interrupt in the starting system. Basically, wrong key equals no start, from what I am seeing. I could be wrong but there is no PATS specific circuit in the EEC pinout.
 
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I've had no-start conditions with 2 bad injectors. But that doesn't sound like your issue. :rolleyes:

PATS only disables the starter circuit as far as I know.

As far as why it would start and run for a couple seconds and shut down, I can't think of what it could be if the fuel pressure is still up. I would hook up a test light(s) to the ignition, fuel and PCM circuits and see who is shutting down after it starts.
 
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Gen 2 Pats cuts off the injectors. I am almost positive the Cobra ECU does the same. If it was just the starter circuit, a lot more cars would get stolen :)

Call Lid, have him burn a starter file with all that funk removed.
 
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Mad1stGen said:
Gen 2 Pats cuts off the injectors. I am almost positive the Cobra ECU does the same. If it was just the starter circuit, a lot more cars would get stolen :)

Call Lid, have him burn a starter file with all that funk removed.
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You are correct. I sat in front of the computer for about an hour, and learned that with a pats fault the car will run for 1 second and than the PCM shuts off the injectors and fuel pump. With a complete cobra PATS it would also interupt the starting system. Since my starting system is Thunderbird it cranks.
Thanks again for the input and help guys. This should b an easy fix.
 
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She's runnin

Well I went and had a chip burnt by Lidio at Alternative Auto. He turned off the PATS,EGR, rear O2s and threw in the 30 lb injectors. Plugged it into the car and it fired right up. I had a stuck injector on number 8 for a minute. After a little heat and a couple throttle bumps it picked right up and runs smooth as glass. Now I'm startin to get excited. Driveshaft will be done on Friday and exhaust will be done Saturday. Then next Sat its off to the dyno tune.
 
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