Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

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Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Feat would mark first time foreign carmaker topped two U.S. firms

Sunday, August 31, 2003

bya By JOHN PORRETTO DETROIT -- To understand the ongoing assault by foreign automakers in the United States, look no further than the traditional car market.

If sales trends don't change dramatically, Toyota will sell more cars in the United States this year than each of the two brands that have dominated for a century: Chevrolet and Ford.

It would mark the first time a foreign automaker has held that mantle and illustrates the growing impact of Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai, all of which continue to expand their domestic lineups and manufacturing capacity.

"What you're seeing from Toyota is an expansion into new segments, both on the production and sales side, and a further entrenchment of their strong sales position in current vehicles like the Camry and Corolla," said Michael Robinet, vice president of global forecasting for CSM Worldwide, which provides market information and forecasts to more than 350 automotive suppliers.

On the passenger car side, Toyota, excluding its Lexus luxury brand, sold 520,991 cars in the United States through July, about 20,000 more than Ford and nearly 47,000 more than Chevy, General Motors' top-selling brand.

Ford has been the top car seller in the United States for nearly a decade, although Toyota's Camry was the best-selling model last year.

One of Toyota's new converts is Jim Harper, 69, of Vandalia, Ohio. He was looking to replace a seven-year-old Chrysler with a new one when he test drove a 2003 Camry recently. He liked the performance and knew about the automaker's quality ratings and therefore opted for the Japanese make over another Chrysler product.

"When I get a new car, I like to hang on to it for six or seven years," said Harper, who owns a custom frame shop. "I don't want to spend half my time in a service department."

Despite Toyota's gains, U.S. automakers still dominate the overall domestic vehicle market, where trucks and sport utility vehicles are bigger sellers than cars. But Detroit's Big Three have seen market-share declines this year.

For the first seven months of 2003, GM's U.S. market share was 27.6 percent, down from 28.5 percent a year ago, according to Autodata. Ford was at 19.6 percent, down from 20 percent. DaimlerChrysler fell to 13.2 percent from 13.5 percent.

Meanwhile, through July, Toyota's overall U.S. market share was 11 percent, up from 10.4 percent, and Honda was at 8.2 percent, well ahead of its 7.1 percent share a year earlier.

Analysts say market-share figures for Asian automakers are likely to keep growing as they enhance their lineups with vehicles aimed directly at the Big Three -- pickups and SUVs.

But GM, Ford and Chrysler, all of which have focused on their truck and SUV lineups in recent years, say they're in no way willing to concede the car market to Toyota or anyone else.

Chrysler has said 14 of 21 new products over the next few years will be car-based.

GM, the world's largest automaker, will introduce a new Chevy Malibu this fall, a high-volume car that will compete directly with the Camry and Honda's popular Accord. GM also will launch the Chevy Cobalt to replace the Cavalier next fall, the same time Pontiac will begin building a new midsize car, one notch above the Grand Am.

Ford has ambitious plans for its cars, too, although Ben Poore, the Ford Division's car group marketing manager, acknowledged that Ford spent much of last year beefing up its SUVs and this year doing the same to its trucks and minivans.

"I'm not surprised to see the Toyota numbers," Poore said. "They have a much fresher product lineup than we do in cars. But guess what? We're coming back, and we're absolutely coming on with a vengeance."

Among Ford's new offerings in the next couple of years: the large Five-Hundred sedan, the GT supercar, a new Mustang and the Futura, which will be positioned between the smaller Focus and the Five-Hundred.

For all its gains, Toyota says it's pleased, but that market-share gains in particular are not its priority. The automaker says its reputation for dependability and products with broad appeal are what fuel sales.

"Our focus is on what we can control," said Ernest Bastien, corporate manager for Toyota's vehicle operations group. "We look at where we're positioned in the market, how we can best take care of consumers, and we allocate our resources accordingly."

Toyota's overall U.S. market share has risen steadily, from 10.1 percent at the end of 2001 to 10.4 percent in 2002 to its current 11 percent. Despite the growth, and difficult times at DaimlerChrysler's U.S. arm, analysts say they don't anticipate a change among the Big Three in the United States anytime soon.

CSM Worldwide and J.D. Power and Associates both predict Chrysler -- which includes the Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep nameplates -- will maintain its No. 3 position in the domestic market over the next five years.

Jeff Schuster, J.D. Power's director of North American forecasting, said he expects Chrysler to maintain a sales gap of 400,000 to 500,000 vehicles over Toyota and its Lexus and Scion brands in the United States.

"Toyota would really have to turn things up, while Chrysler collapses at the same time," for Toyota to catch the Chrysler Group, Schuster said.

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RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I’m starting to worry about Sandy’s health when he sees this.

PLEASE... CALM DOWN, and pretend you were dreaming... this will all end soon.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I am not all THAT upset. I have learned that I can only control Sandy, and when Sandy votes with the old wallet.....it's American - unless there are NO American product LEFT in that catagory, such as:
95% of all clothing
Watches
Clocks
Radios
Cameras
T.V.s
and so on....

Last week, when I went to the GTO Nationals, I wanted to buy a disposable camera. I went to the store. They had 2 brands. FUGI (or something close to that) and Kodak, so naturally I took the Kodak. While waiting to pay, I noticed an American Flag on the box with small writing under it. I could not read it as the eyeglasses were home (reading small print only). When I got home, I read it!Then I vomited!
It said:
{American Flag} > Teeny Tiny print > Made in Japan / Proudly Boxed in AMERICA

Could ya die! PROUDLY BOXED IN AMERICA. We are now an Industrailized Boxing Nation! Japan manufactures & we Box!

Will not be long before they take the Boxing away from us too, or maybe Korea will become the top Boxing Nation.

Steps off foreign made SOAP BOX :)
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I am not all THAT upset. I have learned that I can only control Sandy, and when Sandy votes with the old wallet.....it's American - unless there are NO American product LEFT in that catagory, such as:
95% of all clothing
Watches
Clocks
Radios
Cameras
T.V.s
and so on....

Last week, when I went to the GTO Nationals, I wanted to buy a disposable camera. I went to the store. They had 2 brands. FUGI (or something close to that) and Kodak, so naturally I took the Kodak. While waiting to pay, I noticed an American Flag on the box with small writing under it. I could not read it as the eyeglasses were home (reading small print only). When I got home, I read it!Then I vomited!
It said:
{American Flag} > Teeny Tiny print > Made in Japan / Proudly Boxed in AMERICA

Could ya die! PROUDLY BOXED IN AMERICA. We are now an Industrailized Boxing Nation! Japan manufactures & we Box!

Will not be long before they take the Boxing away from us too, or maybe Korea will become the top Boxing Nation.

Steps off foreign made SOAP BOX :)

Wow, im Glad that went well :)
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Sandy isn't that upset... I'd hate to see him if he was!

Don't worry Sandy, when the big 3 get hurt enough and enough people join the unemployment lines the Gov't will wake up and increase import duties for cars to the equivalent of what they are in Japan or Korea or wherever. It's disgusting when a Japanese car pays a lower duty coming into the USA than an American car pays Japanese duty going into Japan.

Please don't get me started about clothing! We make the best clothing in the world but the US buying public are idiots (just like when buying cars) and they think imported is better. The American public has no clue about quality and woudn't know it if it goosed them. One of my biggest problems is finding domestic contractors who stay in business!
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Sandy isn't that upset... I'd hate to see him if he was!

Don't worry Sandy, when the big 3 get hurt enough and enough people join the unemployment lines the Gov't will wake up and increase import duties for cars to the equivalent of what they are in Japan or Korea or wherever. It's disgusting when a Japanese car pays a lower duty coming into the USA than an American car pays Japanese duty going into Japan.

Please don't get me started about clothing! We make the best clothing in the world but the US buying public are idiots (just like when buying cars) and they think imported is better. The American public has no clue about quality and woudn't know it if it goosed them. One of my biggest problems is finding domestic contractors who stay in business!

Don’t forget Leo that an American car is worth more there then it is here... so that high entry fee is passed on to the consumer and then some. I knew a guy that would buy 98-99 Town car cartiers and export then to Japan (and middle east.. you can make gold doing that alone) and makes a living off those.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I send a few Pather Platform (Town Cars, Grand Marquis, and Crown Vics) cars to the Middle East every month, and the profit is great.. it used to be $2000 PER CAR, now down to about $1000-$1400 per car.. still not bad if you think about it.
Sandy would really love it down there.. American cars by the millions.

What sad is most imports are made here with parts from Japan, while American cars are usually assembled in Canada, with parts made in Mexico (???)
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I know that in Israel Audi(s) are very very popular.
I know the WHY of that, too ~ but the LOD is not the avenue to tell the reason(s) ~ There are few American cars there as it costs to much to import them. A4s A6s & A8s can be seen running loose there.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

...when the big 3 get hurt enough and enough people join the unemployment lines the Gov't will wake up and increase import duties for cars to the equivalent of what they are in Japan or Korea or wherever. It's disgusting when a Japanese car pays a lower duty coming into the USA than an American car pays Japanese duty going into Japan....

We have tariffs on imported vehicles from Japan, but they get around this by building them here. A lot of Japanese cars are made here by americans now, simply so they don't have to pay the dues. Most of them set up shop down south in "right-to-work" states, ie states that don't allow a "union shop" to force employees to be in the union. The UAW is having a lot of trouble organizing them workers too, because they get paid well and don't want to rock the boat.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Leo,

"Please don't get me started about clothing! We make the best clothing in the world but the US buying public are idiots (just like when buying cars) and they think imported is better."

It's not that they think imported is better...it's all about the money!! Although some American garments are better, the price is what scares people away. I know...I used to buy domestic clothing. It was 3 to 5 times more than the imported stuff. Not horrible if it's you and your wife...but try to outfit an entire family in American clothes, and they'd be broke!! I remember paying well over $100 for jeans, $10 per pair of socks, $15 T-shirts ..the imports would cost around $25-$30 for all three items! Do the math...it's about the money, not the quality.


Well if they start doing tariffs on the imports as many suggest, that will be Chrysler too. Chrysler sales are already sagging...they'd sink for sure with additional tariffs...
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Please don't get me started about clothing! We make the best clothing in the world but the US buying public are idiots (just like when buying cars) and they think imported is better. The American public has no clue about quality and woudn't know it if it goosed them. One of my biggest problems is finding domestic contractors who stay in business!

Like Ron said, all Americans care about is price. They don't want to know where and how it was made. I'll admit I'm just as guilty. Americans didn't care when millions of our manufacturing jobs were exported overseas or south of the border. But now our white-collar jobs are going the same route. Maybe that'll finally be the wakeup call. That "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot warned us about with NAFTA and GATT is about to turn into a gale.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Like Ron said, all Americans care about is price.

Thats it, I have to open my big mouth! Yes I strongly dislike most imports. There are a few imported vehicles I like, but I am strongly domestic. Yes I would much rather buy American products, but like Sandy stated earlier, a lot of that is becomeing hard to find now.

But what Ron and M Darrah said just set me off. I don't care about the price. I care about the quality of the product. If its going to last twice as long, then that offsets the price right? I see so many people out here that do that, they look at the price and decide if they want to buy it or not. I don't understand that. If you want it, and the quality is far superior to something else, then buy it.

As an example, I just walked to my closet and grabbed an Abercrombie shirt, Nautica shirt, and one random T-shirt out of a draw. The first Abercrombie shirt says Made in Northern Mariana Islands (USA), the Nautica shirt says assembles in Hondoras of U.S. Fabric. and the random t-shirt I grabbed is from my high school cross country days and says assembled in El Salvador.

Clearly you can see that all 3 of these shirts have different qualities. And the one made in the US (or US protectant) is of the highest. American clothes is definetly far superior to imported. I have Abercrombie shirts that go back at least 5 or 6 years. There is no way I have just random T-Shirts that have survived that long.

Don't look at the price alone when you buy something, take a look at the quality of the product as well.
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

Don't missunderstand, there are several "foreign" cars that I love, and would love to own.
Volvo S80 Premier
Audi A8 & RS6 & S4
Infiniti Q45 & M45
BMW 330 Ci Convert
Mercedes SLK AMG
Mercedes CLK 500
Subaru Outback Limited VDP Sedan
come to mind first, But we have no choice, we have to pay taxes or go to jail, we have to report when we get called for Jury Duty, or face going to jail, we want to (in most cases) VOTE, and we have to recycle. So, I feel all of these things we are forced to do. What can I do (on my own) to benefit my country, as I am an American. Choices here are fewer. I give blood at the red cross, and I buy American whenever possible. Sadly, my choices herein are dwindling downward. 'Ya - like that Kodak camera I bought! Packaged in America with PRIDE. camera made in Japen. Ummmmm......
They way our industrialized nation is withering on the vine to the foreign countries.....you just gotta BUY AMERICAN.

Now, I am also in agreeance with NAFTA with Canada. Canadians buy alot of American goods, (ya, cars too). If Ford (an American Company) chooses to build GrMarquis in Canada, that's fine. The PROFITS benefit an American company, put Canadain works to work and that's cool. Better that, than a Marysville Ohio Honda. Yes, it puts Americans to work, and profit in the pocket of a Foreign (Japan) Country!
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

as my grandfather would say when i was younger...

Dont complain about it unless your going to do something about it
 
RE: Toyota set to outsell Ford, Chevy

I didn’t know my Armani Exchange Shirts were made in the USA…. WOHOO.

I can buy domestic, but when it comes to Italian cloths, I can resist sometimes.
 
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