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Car loan 'truth' proposal ready



By Rick Popely and Ray Long
Tribune staff reporters

January 29, 2004

Auto dealers would have to tell consumers how much profit they make on loans for new and used vehicles under legislation Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan will unveil Thursday.

If Madigan's "Truth In Auto Financing" proposal becomes law, Illinois would be the only state that requires dealers to disclose how much they charge consumers above the "buy rate" the dealer pays to obtain a loan.

With the average new-vehicle loan at about $22,000, marking up the interest rate by three points, to 8.5 percent, say, adds $1,868 to the consumer's cost over five years, the typical loan term.

Stephen Brobeck, executive director of the Consumer Federation of America, predicted that a disclosure law would significantly reduce markups.

"I can't imagine that anyone would accept a loan if they were told the interest rate was being marked up," Brobeck said. "The markups have continued simply because of a lack of awareness."

Madigan's announcement comes three days after the federation charged that one-fourth of new vehicle loans issued through dealers are secretly marked up and that minority consumers are more likely to be charged higher rates than whites.

Madigan's proposal has been in the works for months.

Federal regulations require that consumers be told the annual percentage rate on a loan but do not cover dealer markups.

Madigan's proposal will be introduced in the spring session of the General Assembly and is expected to ignite fierce debate.

"A dealer is entitled to a profit, and I don't know of any other business in which a profit margin has to be disclosed," said Jerry Cizek, president of the Chicago Automobile Trade Association, which represents more than 700 Chicago-area new-car dealers.

"We hope we can work with the attorney general's office to find other means of protecting the consumer," he said.

Dealers are a powerful lobby. They generated 13 percent of the state's $9.4 billion sales tax revenue last year.

Other retailers also may fight the proposal for fear it could be expanded to cover other installment contracts, such as loans on carpeting or furniture.

State Rep. Marlow Colvin (D-Chicago), a leader of the Legislative Black Caucus and chief sponsor of the legislation in the House, says Madigan is on the "right page" because the bill would alert shoppers that they might get a lower interest rate elsewhere.

In a memo this week to legislators, the attorney general's office said: "The dealer may add a markup of several percentage points to the buy rate offered by the lender. This difference, or markup, may be split between the dealer and the lender.

"While this practice can affect all consumers, it has a disproportionate impact on African-American and Latino car buyers," the memo said.

Recent lawsuits have accused finance units of carmakers and banks of discriminatory lending practices.

In response, car firms and most banks voluntarily capped the dealer markup at 3 percent above the buy rate, but Brobeck says that is too high.

He favors limiting dealers to a flat fee of $150 to $200 to cover costs of obtaining a loan and to reduce discrimination.

Consumer advocates in California are pushing for a ballot proposition in November that would limit dealer finance profits to $150 per loan.

Dealers typically send a credit application to several lenders and offer the car buyer what they say is the best rate. There is no requirement that they disclose rates offered by other lenders.

Greg Merryman, an attorney with GMAC, the finance unit of General Motors Corp., argues that competition among lenders and dealers has reduced the average markup on GMAC loans to less than 1.5 percent.

"There is plenty of opportunity for consumers to comparison shop and to take a look at the whole package they're getting from a dealer," Merryman said. "This is a very competitive business, and it is getting more competitive as people have more information available to them."

CNW Marketing Research in Bandon, Ore., estimates that half the 16.7 million new vehicles sold last year were financed at dealerships, but only one-third of consumers shopped for a loan from more than one source.

Auto industry analyst Art Spinella, president of CNW, says that even with markups on loans, dealers may beat the rates offered by other lenders.


Copyright © 2004, Chicago Tribune
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

Oh goody, more socialist crap.

"I can't imagine that anyone would accept a loan if they were told the interest rate was being marked up," Brobeck said. "The markups have continued simply because of a lack of awareness."

I can't believe people would pay $5 for a beer at a baseball game. If only those poor fools knew how much markup there was. We need the government to protect us, because we're obviously too stupid to take care of ourselves.

"A dealer is entitled to a profit, and I don't know of any other business in which a profit margin has to be disclosed," said Jerry Cizek, president of the Chicago Automobile Trade Association, which represents more than 700 Chicago-area new-car dealers.

I'm inclined to agree with that. You don't get told how much profit a store is making if you buy a pair of shoes.

State Rep. Marlow Colvin (D-Chicago), a leader of the Legislative Black Caucus and chief sponsor of the legislation in the House, says Madigan is on the "right page" because the bill would alert shoppers that they might get a lower interest rate elsewhere.

Um, duh? We need an act of government to tell us we can, in fact, shop around? Why not just buy TV ads?

"While this practice can affect all consumers, it has a disproportionate impact on African-American and Latino car buyers," the memo said.

Oooh, the race card, it just gets better and better!!!! Now if you opposed this legislation you're a racist!

Consumer advocates in California are pushing for a ballot proposition in November that would limit dealer finance profits to $150 per loan.

Blatant socialist crap, about what I'd expect from California.

"There is plenty of opportunity for consumers to comparison shop and to take a look at the whole package they're getting from a dealer," Merryman said. "This is a very competitive business, and it is getting more competitive as people have more information available to them."

But that would put the onus on the consumer to educate themselves and make a smart purchase, now wouldn't it? We need the government to step in and be our parents.
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

Personally, I have mixed feelings here. There is nothing to keep a buyer from comparing interest rates with other lenders -- at the same time, dealerships are called stealerships for a reason and perhaps some regulations should be in place to push things in the consumer's favor a little.
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

Tony, perfection! Better than I coulda said!
Joey, you don't have a clue :(

The most regulated business in the world, are car dealerships. If you sell a car, the consumer has to sign 12 different forms. Name another item you can buy, in which you have to sign 12 forms?

Sales Contract
Finance Contract (or Lease Contract)
Mileage Statement of the vehicle being purchased
Mileage Statement of the Vehicle you are trading
Backside of the vehicle you are trading title
Statement saying that you have not - nor have had someone else, alter the emisssion of the traded in vehicle
Statement that you have been explained to new vehicle warrentee & that you understand it
Statement that a represenative of the company has gone over the operating proceedures of the car/truck with you.
Statement saying that you have been given the explanation of LEMON LAWS in the State, and that you have recieved a copy.
Statement saying that the any/all extended warrentee offered by the mfgr has been explained & made available to for purchase at the new car delivery point.
Statement saying that the sales rep has familiarized you with the dealership personal, &shown you where you park, receive service & parts.
Statement saying that you have been given the seperate warrantee booklet from the independant tire manufacturer.
Statement saying that you have visually examined the NEW vehicle prior to leaving the dealership.

All of these are mandated by the State of New Jersey...NOT the dealer organazations.

No other busines in America (retail) is more regulated, and watched over. Many consumers are actually scared to death when youi slide a baker's dozen of scary looking forms in front of them to sign.

No more regulation. Maybe they need to go regulate the meat industry!
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

Yeah, I don't get it. When we bought my car, we had a loan rate guaranteed from a credit union. Told the dealer if they could find us financing at a lower rate we'd take it. They did. Who cares what their mark up was, it still saved me money.
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

Car dealers, like any business, are in it for the money, so of course they will look to maximize their profits. The stereotypical sleazy car dealer image is certainly based in truth, even though it doesn't apply to all of them, but any person with enough IQ to buy a car should know this fact and be prepared for it. Buyer beware.

I don't see this as a big enough problem to warrant government interference. That tends to screw things up in unexpected ways. This isn't something like Enron where a bunch of folks were financially ruined through no fault of their own. If you pay too much for a car it's no one's fault but your own because you're the one that signed on the dotted line.
 
RE: Car loan 'truth' proposal ready

If you are buying a car, STAY THE HECK OFF OF THE HIGHWAY AND THE THE RAZZ-MA-TAZZ DEALERS!!!!! HighwayMEN, remember them from old westerns? They robbed on the highway. Nothing has changed. You want a nice and a fair salesman, a good dealer, family owned, with a reputation to protect, go to to smallest dealer(s) you can locate. The Highway stores are owned by bad people for the most part, looking to hide money obtained in not so savy ways. Would you invest 5 to 10 million to sell cars at $200 over invoice??? You can make more profit selling a sofa, for God sakes!
Go to a small in town dealer and you will pay the same price, and get treated fairly, and they will CARE how they service your car.
The Big BoyZZ are the ones that give the business a bad rap. The small in town guys are ALWAYS better.
I sold many a $20,000 car and made $40.00 commission on it, while my dealer made an additional $300.00. THAT'S STEALING ????????????
 
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