Its too bad global warming isnt coming faster.

10-4 mlschultz ;)

To folks who don't believe in God, it would be like telling him "Mickey Mouse punishes Kyle".
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This is true, however - whether it be mickey mouse or god punishing him for the death of his loved one in the example that i used, i am sure he would not be pleased regardless. lol. Especially, if someone were to joke and then laugh in his face about it. :)


He would just think that you, I, and all the other people of faith out there are idiots.
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logres - if you missed it earlier, i said i was not religious. I would be what you would call agnostic. I do not follow or believe in what i call "organized religion" on the other hand, i do not disagree with "organized religion" or its beliefs either.Funny we are now talking about religion, because this came up on another board i am a member to the other day - here was my response from that board --


"My family has tried to shove religion down my throat since day one and i choose my own path. I do not disagree with other peoples opinion, if they wanna worship a cow, goat, giraffe, buda, jesus, holy spirt, the father, the son, or the 800 brothers of islam, no matter what it is, i wont argue it because people are so blindsided with thier own "holier then thou" attitude and it just aint worth it. Believe in whatever the <insert f word here> you want to believe, i believe in a greater "existance" then just earth and even I, whom is not religious by any means, finds what this lady is doing, absolutely and horribly wrong."

Basically

if someone says to me - "god exists"

I say "prove it"

Someone says to me - "god doesnt exist"

I say "prove it"

Thats agnostic in a nutshell.
 
Luxobarge- You're not comparing an apples to apples situation. Your implication as that they would be serious, I, rather obviously although i had to come right out and say it, wasn't. Further more I wasn't laughing at the people in trouble. I was laughing at the people who believe that those people are in trouble because god doesn't like them.

I will restate this example and hope it clarifies my sense of humor about this subject. Its like laughing at the Mayor of New Orleans for saying Katrina was god punishing New Orleans, but still feeling sympathetic to those who lost their homes. By mocking him are you mocking Hurricane Katrina victims?

And logres, I would tend to agree with you about Karl Marx. His philosophy of how countries will evolve have been proven wrong completely. Still like those quotes. John Maynard Keynes' economics have been proven very flawed and not applicable in the long run, but I recognize Keynes was still a very intelligent person with some very good quotes.
 
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For the record, i personally took no offense to what you said, i was only stating others may have. Now, i understand sometimes things can be misread and taken the wrong way through black and white text over the computer.

KyleH said:
Seriously though isn't it nice god is finally punishing Californians for being blasphemous communists?
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With that said - no matter how you slice it, joking or not, sarcasm or not, in the above statement there is no way it can be interpretted other then how it was said, especially to anyone that is religious or lives in the state of california. I didnt think you were being serious, i assumed you were joking and i dont even know you. In retrospect, the example i gave is still an apples to apples comparision, because even if i said "god punishes kyle" (or anything of that matter) after you lost something/someone you loved, once again, no matter how you slice it and no matter how its said or what context its in, how would it make you feel? You seemed to skip that question last time and its ok because you dont have to answer it, i already know the answer. :)
 
I don't really have feelings for what anyone says outside of people I respect, so I wouldn't care.

I didnt skip the question either, I said it wasn't an equal comparison.
 
Its probably worthwhile to mention that its a running joke amongst my friends that I am a humanoid because I don't show much emotion, and was a test tube baby. Grown in a lab, engineered if you will.

Ill come right out and say its pretty much impossible to offend me. To use and example of this, me and my girlfriend of three years broke up, I made some joke at my best friends expense, and his response was See thats why Dana broke up with you.

That kind of thing is how me and my friends are. Needless to say I don't have a lot of them. haha
 
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You require a LONG heart-to heart with your maker! If that fails, with the two that contributed to your gene pool.

BTW, that too was supposed to be funny!
 
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It might have been funny if Schwarzenegger said: The survivors of the wild fires called them Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare: the war against the machines. The computer which controlled the machines, Skynet, sent two Terminators back through time. Their mission: to destroy Californians.
 
Luxobarge said:
10-4 mlschultz ;)



This is true, however - whether it be mickey mouse or god punishing him for the death of his loved one in the example that i used, i am sure he would not be pleased regardless. lol. Especially, if someone were to joke and then laugh in his face about it. :)




logres - if you missed it earlier, i said i was not religious. I would be what you would call agnostic. I do not follow or believe in what i call "organized religion" on the other hand, i do not disagree with "organized religion" or its beliefs either.Funny we are now talking about religion, because this came up on another board i am a member to the other day - here was my response from that board --


"My family has tried to shove religion down my throat since day one and i choose my own path. I do not disagree with other peoples opinion, if they wanna worship a cow, goat, giraffe, buda, jesus, holy spirt, the father, the son, or the 800 brothers of islam, no matter what it is, i wont argue it because people are so blindsided with thier own "holier then thou" attitude and it just aint worth it. Believe in whatever the <insert f word here> you want to believe, i believe in a greater "existance" then just earth and even I, whom is not religious by any means, finds what this lady is doing, absolutely and horribly wrong."

Basically

if someone says to me - "god exists"

I say "prove it"

Someone says to me - "god doesnt exist"

I say "prove it"

Thats agnostic in a nutshell.
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A lot of misunderstanding in this thread...

I was actually backing you up.

For what it's worth, Christians are only to spread the word, not force it on anyone. Those who do so are not doing what they should be doing.

Interesting debates you have had regarding agnosticism. However if one were to speak hypothetically, I have nothing to lose by leading a Christian life only to find out in the end that there is no God...and in fact I benefit my fellow man in the process. The same can't be said for those who don't believe in God to find out in the end that He actually exists.

When these people unexpectedly appear before God and try to convince Him that they led a good life, all He's going to say is, "prove it".
 
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And logres, I would tend to agree with you about Karl Marx. His philosophy of how countries will evolve have been proven wrong completely. Still like those quotes. John Maynard Keynes' economics have been proven very flawed and not applicable in the long run, but I recognize Keynes was still a very intelligent person with some very good quotes.
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Talking about quotes:

"The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting." - Amanda Cross

Not pointing this at anyone...it came in my "Mouthpiece" newsletter this morning. It got a giggle out of me.
 
steve said:
It might have been funny if Schwarzenegger said: The survivors of the wild fires called them Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare: the war against the machines. The computer which controlled the machines, Skynet, sent two Terminators back through time. Their mission: to destroy Californians.
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I'd rather be facing two terminators than these wildfires...
 
budpytko said:
You require a LONG heart-to heart with your maker! If that fails, with the two that contributed to your gene pool.

BTW, that too was supposed to be funny!
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It was very funny Bud...because he has to figure out who his maker is before he can talk to him. Or he can just send an email addressed to "Daddy" and Cc God, Allah, Buddha, some cows, Mother Earth, Ra, Odin, Zeus, Broncos running back Travis Henry, Baal, Marduk, a test tube, and the Great Spirit.

I'm trying to be funny also...everyone can put their guns down...
 
logres said:
A lot of misunderstanding in this thread...

I was actually backing you up.

For what it's worth, Christians are only to spread the word, not force it on anyone. Those who do so are not doing what they should be doing.

Interesting debates you have had regarding agnosticism. However if one were to speak hypothetically, I have nothing to lose by leading a Christian life only to find out in the end that there is no God...and in fact I benefit my fellow man in the process. The same can't be said for those who don't believe in God to find out in the end that He actually exists.

When these people unexpectedly appear before God and try to convince Him that they led a good life, all He's going to say is, "prove it".
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Very good point. According to christian faith thats a chance every non christian takes. Makes you wonder, thats for sure.
 
You have nothing to lose but your time, and if you donate to the church your money. Not to mention as a matter of principle I won't be coerced into anything (within reason). If threatening eternal damnation if you don't accept some crap as true isn't coercion I don't know what is.
 
KyleH said:
You have nothing to lose but your time, and if you donate to the church your money. Not to mention as a matter of principle I won't be coerced into anything (within reason). If threatening eternal damnation if you don't accept some crap as true isn't coercion I don't know what is.
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No coercing going on here...no motive. My salvation doesn't depend on yours.

And, from Risk management 101 - Don't take the risk if you can't afford to lose.

And what is so difficult about living a Godly life? Do you steal, deceive, sleep around or knock people off?
 
No, I live a more "Christian" life style than most self-proclaimed Christians. I don't drink, smoke, steal, cuss at women, gamble, fight, sleep around, rarely lie, etc. The definition of coercion is doing something because of a threat. You're threatened with hell and you do things so you don't go there. Maybe not you specifically but most Christians. If you would do these things anyway without Christianity why waste your time believing an archaic way of thinking. I don't not do these things because I think they're morally wrong. The purpose of the bible saying no sex before marriage was because decent contraceptives didn't come about until the 20th century. They couldn't have more kids than families could support so they made these moral traditions and imperatives so that society would function. Religion was intended for that purpose.

If you are taking the risk because you can't afford to lose, you have been coerced into doing something. The threat of this imaginary place scares you so you do as you're told. I do the same because it makes life a hell of a lot easier for me and/or its the right thing to do to procure the life style I want.

co·erce (kō-ûrs') pronunciation
tr.v., -erced, -erc·ing, -erc·es.

1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See synonyms at force.
3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.
 
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