The Terminator Mark Bumper
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mlschultz
Boost King
Thanks, Guys! 
I am going to change out the bulbs to match the HID's, once I figure out which ones to buy lol. John used the parking lamps to trigger the fog lights, that have their own relay, so they go on and off with the parking lamps. There is no other switch for the fog lights.
Since The Mark has more cool air coming in now, John and I are talking about doing something to the hood to help move the hot air out. The drive home from John's, I did not see any difference in the engine temp with the a/c on. The real test is when 50/50 coolant goes back in this fall, and I run the a/c on a upper 80 degree day in traffic.
John blacked out all the ivory behind the grill, and it looks great. I need to see if I can hide that harness in the lower opening, and get out the polish and clean up the cooler. Not going to paint that...
I am going to change out the bulbs to match the HID's, once I figure out which ones to buy lol. John used the parking lamps to trigger the fog lights, that have their own relay, so they go on and off with the parking lamps. There is no other switch for the fog lights.
Since The Mark has more cool air coming in now, John and I are talking about doing something to the hood to help move the hot air out. The drive home from John's, I did not see any difference in the engine temp with the a/c on. The real test is when 50/50 coolant goes back in this fall, and I run the a/c on a upper 80 degree day in traffic.
John blacked out all the ivory behind the grill, and it looks great. I need to see if I can hide that harness in the lower opening, and get out the polish and clean up the cooler. Not going to paint that...
mlschultz
Boost King
Terminator bumper unveil today This cruise-in is called Caffeine and Octane, and is the biggest monthly gathering in metro Atlanta.
The Mark has been doing well in the 100+ temps we've been having lately, and has been up to 230* only once for maybe a minute or two before cooling down. This is while the a/c is running during stop and go driving.
Obviously, this bumper has not solved my cooling problem, but it sure does look nice
This cruise-in is called Caffeine and Octane, and is the biggest monthly gathering in metro Atlanta.The Mark has been doing well in the 100+ temps we've been having lately, and has been up to 230* only once for maybe a minute or two before cooling down. This is while the a/c is running during stop and go driving.
Obviously, this bumper has not solved my cooling problem, but it sure does look nice
mlschultz
Boost King
I think your right, Bud. I suspect most of the incoming air is being diverted down and going through the lower valance holes that are located in front of the cooler and out under the car taking the path of least resistance.
I am looking to somehow close off the lower valance holes in front of the cooler to create a shroud, if you will, that will still allow water to drain through it. A high heat resistant foam mat is being tested, that should be easy to fit into that space.
Thanks, Steve. I would like to see a very subtle Foose style skirt made. :thumbsup:
Mike, At the cruise-in yesterday, the seasoned Mustang guys noticed the resemblance right away. But most people could not put their finger on it what was different, thinking it was a new car. I had to point it out to most though.
With my car, there are so many subtle changes done to it, there was only one guy yesterday, a drag racer, that could point out most of the mods done to the car all the way down to the ARP chrome moly wheel studs.
psychostang
Moderator
Looking sharp Mike!
mlschultz
Boost King
Here's the plan, unless someone comes up with a better idea. I am going to drop the Mark off at Injected Engineering this Thursday for a couple days. They are going to rig up some type of temporary shroud for the terminator bumper opening - cover the lower under the car Mark VIII valance up to the air to air cooler, and also the sides and top through the terminator bumper opening. By doing this, it will direct all air coming through the opening to go through the air to air cooler, and on through to the radiator.
Then going to drive it for a while and see if it makes a difference in the cooling temps. If it helps, they are going to fab something more permanent out of carbon fiber. If that is enough to keep things cool enough - great! If not, going to try the same for the upper area for the air coming in through the stock Mark grill.
Then as a last resort, explore mounting a secondary auxiliary radiator somewhere, and what can be done to vent the hood.
I am going to drop the Mark off at Injected Engineering this Thursday for a couple days. They are going to rig up some type of temporary shroud for the terminator bumper opening - cover the lower under the car Mark VIII valance up to the air to air cooler, and also the sides and top through the terminator bumper opening. By doing this, it will direct all air coming through the opening to go through the air to air cooler, and on through to the radiator. Then going to drive it for a while and see if it makes a difference in the cooling temps. If it helps, they are going to fab something more permanent out of carbon fiber. If that is enough to keep things cool enough - great! If not, going to try the same for the upper area for the air coming in through the stock Mark grill.
Then as a last resort, explore mounting a secondary auxiliary radiator somewhere, and what can be done to vent the hood.
SCTBIRD1173
Mark my Bird!
WOW Good luck to you Mike I hope everything goes well. I know how it is to get so far on a project and then get hung up on something "simple"
mlschultz
Boost King
Thanks Bryan and JP. When talking to Ryan, Aric, and Steve, they all agree it looks promising that by directing the incoming air by creating a tunnel to the cooler is the way to go.
Not putting all my eggs in this one basket just yet as the fix. So, I have been reading about a TSB Ford had on the 96 Cobra's, where they replaced the A/C condenser with one that had less cooling fins to allow more air to pass through, along with other changes to help move the air through the radiator. I don't know the whole story yet, but the 97-98 Cobra condensers might also have less cooling fins too.
I am also looking at possibly using this 170 thermostat, if I ever get to the point of putting the guts back in the 160 empty housing that is in the car now.
When talking to Ryan, Aric, and Steve, they all agree it looks promising that by directing the incoming air by creating a tunnel to the cooler is the way to go.Not putting all my eggs in this one basket just yet as the fix.
So, I have been reading about a TSB Ford had on the 96 Cobra's, where they replaced the A/C condenser with one that had less cooling fins to allow more air to pass through, along with other changes to help move the air through the radiator. I don't know the whole story yet, but the 97-98 Cobra condensers might also have less cooling fins too. I am also looking at possibly using this 170 thermostat, if I ever get to the point of putting the guts back in the 160 empty housing that is in the car now.
racecougar
New member
The Reische tstat is a good piece. What radiator are you running in the car? If the car is only getting hot while sitting still and/or in stop-n-go traffic, I doubt that a shroud is going to do much for you, as the fan is responsible for airflow in those instances, rather than vehicle speed.
mlschultz
Boost King
I have a Cobra radiator in the car now. Actually, bumper to bumper traffic going up through the gears is when it heats up the most. Idle in drive with the a/c and brakes on, the temp usually levels off and maintains, and then slowly recovers (lowers) temp. Moving along very slowly in 1st the temp will begin to rise again.
racecougar
New member
Are you still running the stock waterpump? Underdrive pullies? It stays nice and cool if you're cruising at highway speeds, correct?
i have read about many issues with UDPs and the cobra water pump. everything i've seen says one or the other, not both.
mlschultz
Boost King
I have a Cobra water pump, and a ATI 10% overdrive balancer. I wouldn't say nice and cool on the interstate, but manageable. 60% Engine load and up, like going up a steep grade, will bring the temps up on the interstate with the A/C on.
Keep in mind I am micro managing with a OBD2 reader, as the stock gauge does not move until the temp reaches 230. I would never notice 99% of this temp movement while watching the stock gauge.
Ryan just called, and said they are working on The Mark. They are going to tunnel from the lower terminator opening to the cooler with high temp foam, and then foam the edges between each cooler, creating only one way for air to travel through the coolers.
Sounds promising... Ryan said they had positive results each time they have tried to tunnel and foam between coolers on high hp cars with cooling issues
Should be done tonight, or tomorrow at the latest.
Keep in mind I am micro managing with a OBD2 reader, as the stock gauge does not move until the temp reaches 230. I would never notice 99% of this temp movement while watching the stock gauge.
Ryan just called, and said they are working on The Mark. They are going to tunnel from the lower terminator opening to the cooler with high temp foam, and then foam the edges between each cooler, creating only one way for air to travel through the coolers.
Sounds promising... Ryan said they had positive results each time they have tried to tunnel and foam between coolers on high hp cars with cooling issues
Should be done tonight, or tomorrow at the latest.
mlschultz
Boost King
Picked The Mark up today.
On my short 5 mile drive home from Aric's shop, I ran the a/c and kept the overdrive off the entire way home. Temp never made it to 195.
4 miles of the drive is 35 mph, and the last mile is 40mph. The temp dropped 2 degrees speeding up to 40 from 194 to 192.
Steve test drove it around town yesterday afternoon with the a/c on, and was not able to get the temp above 203. It went to 203 while in line at the bank.
Going to drive it the way it is for the rest of the summer now, and if it shows continued signs of improvement, I will have the 170 thermostat put back in when the water is changed back to 50/50 coolant this fall.
On my short 5 mile drive home from Aric's shop, I ran the a/c and kept the overdrive off the entire way home. Temp never made it to 195.
4 miles of the drive is 35 mph, and the last mile is 40mph. The temp dropped 2 degrees speeding up to 40 from 194 to 192.
Steve test drove it around town yesterday afternoon with the a/c on, and was not able to get the temp above 203. It went to 203 while in line at the bank.
Going to drive it the way it is for the rest of the summer now, and if it shows continued signs of improvement, I will have the 170 thermostat put back in when the water is changed back to 50/50 coolant this fall.
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