The Shelby Ford Expedition - A Ford Expedition that is also a performance vehicle? Very powerful with 550 horsepower from a 5.4 liter Ford GT engine, the Shelby Expedition rides on 22 inch wheels and comes fully loaded for about $110,000. Even if you could afford it, you can't buy it as it has not reached final production yet.
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RE: Shelby Expedition
Saleen had a expedition a few years back. mostly handling package, but a S/C, and lots of other goodies.
But, SUV is still SUV. why spend that amount for a Ford, when you can buy a Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?
bah.
Saleen had a expedition a few years back. mostly handling package, but a S/C, and lots of other goodies.
But, SUV is still SUV. why spend that amount for a Ford, when you can buy a Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?
bah.
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Saleen had a expedition a few years back. mostly handling package, but a S/C, and lots of other goodies.But, SUV is still SUV. why spend that amount for a Ford, when you can buy a Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?bah.
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EXACTLY.
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Saleen had a expedition a few years back. mostly handling package, but a S/C, and lots of other goodies.But, SUV is still SUV. why spend that amount for a Ford, when you can buy a Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?bah.
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EXACTLY.
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...Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?...
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I disagree with that statement. There are certain laws of physics that, try as they might, the german engineers have yet to circumvent. Among these are the laws that relate ultimate cornering ability and handling to the height of your center of gravity. The Cayenne may be badass, but it ain't outrunning a vette in the twisties, unless schumacher is in the cayenne and a retarded monkey is in the vette.
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...Cayanne for the same amount, with a german engineered twin turbo, and enough handling to show a C5 vette its tail lights on any backroad?...
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I disagree with that statement. There are certain laws of physics that, try as they might, the german engineers have yet to circumvent. Among these are the laws that relate ultimate cornering ability and handling to the height of your center of gravity. The Cayenne may be badass, but it ain't outrunning a vette in the twisties, unless schumacher is in the cayenne and a retarded monkey is in the vette.
RE: Shelby Expedition
"... and a retarded monkey is in the vette."
AKA, Steve Triano. (Hahahahahahahaha)
Aftermarket Ford Expedition on 22 inch wheels? Looks like Shelby is finally pandering towards a certain minority. Why he'd rather have his product stolen instead of an ugly, tasteless Cadillac is beyond me.
"... and a retarded monkey is in the vette."
AKA, Steve Triano. (Hahahahahahahaha)
Aftermarket Ford Expedition on 22 inch wheels? Looks like Shelby is finally pandering towards a certain minority. Why he'd rather have his product stolen instead of an ugly, tasteless Cadillac is beyond me.
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[div class="dcquote"]I disagree with that statement. There are certain laws of physics that, try as they might, the german engineers have yet to circumvent. Among these are the laws that relate ultimate cornering ability and handling to the height of your center of gravity. The Cayenne may be badass, but it ain't outrunning a vette in the twisties, unless schumacher is in the cayenne and a retarded monkey is in the vette.
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better go read the mags bud. Or better yet, take a trip out to laguna Seca when the Corvette club was out there playing around. fastest 'stock' vehicle on the track was one of the vette owner's Cayenne's.
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"The Turbo also adds adjustable air suspension with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM), a variable dampening system that uses five accelerometers and electronically controlled adjustable shocks to manage body weight transfer both on and off road."
of course, anytime you compare one vehicle to another, the driver with the most experience will prevail.
But what do you do when you get Tommy kendall out there running laps in a C5, and then clicking off laps in his cayanne Turbo at 2-3 seconds quicker(this was at IRP last summer)?
You are 'almost' correct. But yes, a TT Cayenne will out handle a C5, hands down, all things being equal...oh, and it weighs more too! Kind of sad, dontcha think Dave?
Even if it couldnt take a C5 everytime...just think about what we are comparing. America's top-notch sports/muscle car...against a German SUV.
Thats like the tortoise and the hare...or is it a Boar?
either way...I am sure it will blow the doors off the Shelby Expedit.
American performance technology is still light-years behind the germans.
[div class="dcquote"]I disagree with that statement. There are certain laws of physics that, try as they might, the german engineers have yet to circumvent. Among these are the laws that relate ultimate cornering ability and handling to the height of your center of gravity. The Cayenne may be badass, but it ain't outrunning a vette in the twisties, unless schumacher is in the cayenne and a retarded monkey is in the vette.
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better go read the mags bud. Or better yet, take a trip out to laguna Seca when the Corvette club was out there playing around. fastest 'stock' vehicle on the track was one of the vette owner's Cayenne's.
Direct cut-paste:
"The Turbo also adds adjustable air suspension with Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM), a variable dampening system that uses five accelerometers and electronically controlled adjustable shocks to manage body weight transfer both on and off road."
of course, anytime you compare one vehicle to another, the driver with the most experience will prevail.
But what do you do when you get Tommy kendall out there running laps in a C5, and then clicking off laps in his cayanne Turbo at 2-3 seconds quicker(this was at IRP last summer)?
You are 'almost' correct. But yes, a TT Cayenne will out handle a C5, hands down, all things being equal...oh, and it weighs more too! Kind of sad, dontcha think Dave?
Even if it couldnt take a C5 everytime...just think about what we are comparing. America's top-notch sports/muscle car...against a German SUV.
Thats like the tortoise and the hare...or is it a Boar?
either way...I am sure it will blow the doors off the Shelby Expedit.
American performance technology is still light-years behind the germans.
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RE: Shelby Expedition
Well there's always the [link:www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=100569|Kenny Brown A3 Aviator]
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Well there's always the [link:www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=100569|Kenny Brown A3 Aviator]
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RE: Shelby Expedition
An AWD Porsche Cayenne Turbo starts at $88,900. Two C5s in would cost less at $87,670. Or if you are going to compare the top of the model Cayenne then you should compare it to the C5 Z06 at least or comapre a C5 to the base Cayenne for about the same price.
You could also have optioned a Vette starting in 2003 with the magnetic selective ride control that monitors the vertical position of each wheel every 1 millisecond. Received Automobile Magazine 2003 technology of the year award. The C5s also have active handling with the yaw-rate sensors, lateral accelerometers etc that comes standard in the base price.
The Porsche Cayenne started in 2003, the C5 started back in 1997, maybe you should compare it to the C6. Or if you want to compare American technology to the Germans, then compare a C6 and a 2004 Boxster, so you can at lest compare apples to apples at the same price.
Also, America's top-notch sports car is the Ford GT, so stick that in your brockworst.
An AWD Porsche Cayenne Turbo starts at $88,900. Two C5s in would cost less at $87,670. Or if you are going to compare the top of the model Cayenne then you should compare it to the C5 Z06 at least or comapre a C5 to the base Cayenne for about the same price.
You could also have optioned a Vette starting in 2003 with the magnetic selective ride control that monitors the vertical position of each wheel every 1 millisecond. Received Automobile Magazine 2003 technology of the year award. The C5s also have active handling with the yaw-rate sensors, lateral accelerometers etc that comes standard in the base price.
The Porsche Cayenne started in 2003, the C5 started back in 1997, maybe you should compare it to the C6. Or if you want to compare American technology to the Germans, then compare a C6 and a 2004 Boxster, so you can at lest compare apples to apples at the same price.
Also, America's top-notch sports car is the Ford GT, so stick that in your brockworst.
RE: Shelby Expedition
Look at Steve getting touchy about the C5 comments there. It is still an SUV that can beat a C5.
IT is a little more cash, but you are comparing a lavish interior with all the amenities that your heart desires to a plastic clad noise room. Do not overlook that in price either.
Look at Steve getting touchy about the C5 comments there. It is still an SUV that can beat a C5.
IT is a little more cash, but you are comparing a lavish interior with all the amenities that your heart desires to a plastic clad noise room. Do not overlook that in price either.
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RE: Shelby Expedition
Was that a Z06, Craig, going up against the "twin turbo" model Cayenne? Or was that a base model car that started production in 1997 going up against an optioned out model that started in 2003 that has what, 100 more hp?
Try apples to apples, a C6 or even a C5 Z06. And did you say that was that guys own Cayenne? Did he own the vette, too? That's going to make a difference.
Also, does laguna seca have some long straightaways? or is it "twisty" enough to actually resemble my initial comment?
edit: looked it up myself, it doesn't look like it's twisty at all:
http://www.laguna-seca.com/GeneralInfo/index.cfm?FuseAction=TrackMap
Looks like a bunch of straightaways with one 180 degree bend in there and some fast sweepers. How did the Cayenne stack up to the vette on the Nordschleife?
http://www.berndtson.com/pics/jpg/produkte/layout/karte_vorder/gross/085_6_v_gross.jpg
Was that a Z06, Craig, going up against the "twin turbo" model Cayenne? Or was that a base model car that started production in 1997 going up against an optioned out model that started in 2003 that has what, 100 more hp?
Try apples to apples, a C6 or even a C5 Z06. And did you say that was that guys own Cayenne? Did he own the vette, too? That's going to make a difference.
Also, does laguna seca have some long straightaways? or is it "twisty" enough to actually resemble my initial comment?
edit: looked it up myself, it doesn't look like it's twisty at all:
http://www.laguna-seca.com/GeneralInfo/index.cfm?FuseAction=TrackMap
Looks like a bunch of straightaways with one 180 degree bend in there and some fast sweepers. How did the Cayenne stack up to the vette on the Nordschleife?
http://www.berndtson.com/pics/jpg/produkte/layout/karte_vorder/gross/085_6_v_gross.jpg
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Look at Steve getting touchy about the C5 comments there. It is still an SUV that can beat a C5. IT is a little more cash, but you are comparing a lavish interior with all the amenities that your heart desires to a plastic clad noise room. Do not overlook that in price either.
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Then why don't you get one instead of spending all your money on a vipper? The vipper has a lot less amenities and comfort of a Vette.
So a little more cash to you is $50,000 Rockefeller http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/images/rolleyes.gif
Remember a Vette is still a Chevy, big discounts could be had this year, you could have gotten into a base c5 for under $35k. The Vette is a sports car that with a little hard work and savings puts in the reach of the avg person. Lets see if the Cayenne makes it to its 52nd birthday.
I doubt you can negotiate with a Porsche dealer.
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Look at Steve getting touchy about the C5 comments there. It is still an SUV that can beat a C5. IT is a little more cash, but you are comparing a lavish interior with all the amenities that your heart desires to a plastic clad noise room. Do not overlook that in price either.
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Then why don't you get one instead of spending all your money on a vipper? The vipper has a lot less amenities and comfort of a Vette.
So a little more cash to you is $50,000 Rockefeller http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/images/rolleyes.gif
Remember a Vette is still a Chevy, big discounts could be had this year, you could have gotten into a base c5 for under $35k. The Vette is a sports car that with a little hard work and savings puts in the reach of the avg person. Lets see if the Cayenne makes it to its 52nd birthday.
I doubt you can negotiate with a Porsche dealer.
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in the new road and track is a road race semi truck that would run with a vette on a road course. now i would love to see steve run his vette in a scca club event with a semi on his ass. LOL
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Rember at 6'3" and my fatt ass i would add 260 lb to the Vette, that semi would be right there with me
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in the new road and track is a road race semi truck that would run with a vette on a road course. now i would love to see steve run his vette in a scca club event with a semi on his ass. LOL
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Rember at 6'3" and my fatt ass i would add 260 lb to the Vette, that semi would be right there with me
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An AWD Porsche Cayenne Turbo starts at $88,900. Two C5s in would cost less at $87,670. Or if you are going to compare the top of the model Cayenne then you should compare it to the C5 Z06 at least or comapre a C5 to the base Cayenne for about the same price.You could also have optioned a Vette starting in 2003 with the magnetic selective ride control that monitors the vertical position of each wheel every 1 millisecond. Received Automobile Magazine 2003 technology of the year award. The C5s also have active handling with the yaw-rate sensors, lateral accelerometers etc that comes standard in the base price.The Porsche Cayenne started in 2003, the C5 started back in 1997, maybe you should compare it to the C6. Or if you want to compare American technology to the Germans, then compare a C6 and a 2004 Boxster, so you can at lest compare apples to apples at the same price.Also, America's top-notch sports car is the Ford GT, so stick that in your brockworst.
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Steve, once AGAIN, you missed my point. I was merely saying, why buy a $110k shelby package Ford Expedition, when you could buy a Cayenne for less, and have a better truck....and to simply state the "performance" of the Cayenne twin turbo, I used a comparison to "a particular test that was performed by automotive journalists"(not me!) against a "newer" C5! it was merely an example. You act like I make this stuff up.
Furthermore, since the Ford GT just came out, how could it have been "America's top notch sports car" 2 years ago???
man, you act like I was putting down the vette!
I swear...does a simple post have to turn into a debate with you guys every time?
Sheeeesh!
yes..Corvette is not "the" American sports car....duh. But it is often refered to as one of Americas "top notch" sports cars....not by me.
I give up on you guys.
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An AWD Porsche Cayenne Turbo starts at $88,900. Two C5s in would cost less at $87,670. Or if you are going to compare the top of the model Cayenne then you should compare it to the C5 Z06 at least or comapre a C5 to the base Cayenne for about the same price.You could also have optioned a Vette starting in 2003 with the magnetic selective ride control that monitors the vertical position of each wheel every 1 millisecond. Received Automobile Magazine 2003 technology of the year award. The C5s also have active handling with the yaw-rate sensors, lateral accelerometers etc that comes standard in the base price.The Porsche Cayenne started in 2003, the C5 started back in 1997, maybe you should compare it to the C6. Or if you want to compare American technology to the Germans, then compare a C6 and a 2004 Boxster, so you can at lest compare apples to apples at the same price.Also, America's top-notch sports car is the Ford GT, so stick that in your brockworst.
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Steve, once AGAIN, you missed my point. I was merely saying, why buy a $110k shelby package Ford Expedition, when you could buy a Cayenne for less, and have a better truck....and to simply state the "performance" of the Cayenne twin turbo, I used a comparison to "a particular test that was performed by automotive journalists"(not me!) against a "newer" C5! it was merely an example. You act like I make this stuff up.
Furthermore, since the Ford GT just came out, how could it have been "America's top notch sports car" 2 years ago???
man, you act like I was putting down the vette!
I swear...does a simple post have to turn into a debate with you guys every time?
Sheeeesh!
yes..Corvette is not "the" American sports car....duh. But it is often refered to as one of Americas "top notch" sports cars....not by me.
I give up on you guys.
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RE: Shelby Expedition
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Was that a Z06, Craig, going up against the "twin turbo" model Cayenne? Or was that a base model car that started production in 1997 going up against an optioned out model that started in 2003 that has what, 100 more hp?Try apples to apples,
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Dave...you too buddy!
http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/dcboard.php#18243
Why am I not surprised. I swear...you guys love to pick...like a bunch of old nags.
The day America turns out a car with the technology of a german-made vehicle...with the reliability, safety, and comparable production price...is the day Porsche will never forget. Light years behind them...and you know it.
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Was that a Z06, Craig, going up against the "twin turbo" model Cayenne? Or was that a base model car that started production in 1997 going up against an optioned out model that started in 2003 that has what, 100 more hp?Try apples to apples,
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Dave...you too buddy!
http://www.lincolnsclub.org/forum/dcboard.php#18243
Why am I not surprised. I swear...you guys love to pick...like a bunch of old nags.
The day America turns out a car with the technology of a german-made vehicle...with the reliability, safety, and comparable production price...is the day Porsche will never forget. Light years behind them...and you know it.
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[div class="dcquote"]I doubt you can negotiate with a Porsche dealer.
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Porsche buyers dont "haggle". They know the price, and they know what they are getting. The reason "Chevy" buyers haggle, is because they know the car just simply isnt worth the asking price. I know it, you know it, and every Porsche owner knows it.
[div class="dcquote"]I doubt you can negotiate with a Porsche dealer.
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Porsche buyers dont "haggle". They know the price, and they know what they are getting. The reason "Chevy" buyers haggle, is because they know the car just simply isnt worth the asking price. I know it, you know it, and every Porsche owner knows it.
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