Lincoln more reliable than Honda

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=3&u=/nm/20030708/ts_nm/autos_durability_dc_1

Looks down the page about half way: "Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln brand scored just above Honda..."

But wait there's more: "...Chrysler, Dodge and the now-defunct Plymouth brand all outranked Mercedes..."

How 'bout them apples? Domestic vehicles can be more reliable than foreign vehicles? And Honda and MB no less! What is the world coming to? :D :D

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RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda


Don't for get Chrysler and Mercedes are the same company, DaimlerChrysler. But is good to know that the big "two" are gaining in the quality surveys.
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Yes, the report was comparing brand names within the company. I know it's all one big company now, but those Chrysler brands are only a few years removed from being an American car company, so I still kind of consider them American makes. Especially since this report is for 3-year old vehicles.

Mercedes, on the other hand, is and always was a German car maker. A German car is supposed to be the epitome of quality and engineering, right? I guess not...

[font color = blue]Tony - St. Louis, MO[/font]
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1989 Mustang LX 5.0 - Scarlet Red coupe
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RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

The merger was 5 years ago, this is ironic though, from the article:

..."Perhaps the study's most shocking results involve DaimlerChrysler. Since the 1998 merger, Daimler executives have contended that Mercedes-Benz's knowledge of how to build quality vehicles would be used to improve the Chrysler brands"

"But Chrysler, Dodge and the now-defunct Plymouth brand all outranked Mercedes, which had 318 problems per 100 vehicles. Ivers said Mercedes' troubles were concentrated in its M-Class sport utility vehicle and its E-Class sedans, which accounted for roughly half its sales."...

haha, look at MB brands excuse.
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

So the merger was five years ago, and this report is for three year old cars. At that point, the Chrysler brands were probably still building the same vehicles in much the same way as they did before the merger. That's the point I was trying to make, although I still don't know if I'm making it very well :)

If you ask me, MB has no excuse. You'd think they'd want their most popular vehicles to be the best. I've heard some horror stories about those M-Classes, and some even worse stories about MB dealer service (obviously this will vary, but that's not what you expect at all from a luxury brand dealership).

I'm looking forward to the reports that include the BMW 745i :)

[font color = blue]Tony - St. Louis, MO[/font]
1998 LSC - Toreador Red/Light Graphite
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 - Scarlet Red coupe
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RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

dont kid yourselves. there is no possible way our lincolns are more reliable than any honda. im speaking from experience. my last car was an integra and the biggest repair that had to be made was a hole in the radiator from road debris, next was a window motor. i had the car for about 4 or 5 years from 97 on, the car was a 92. my mother drives an accord and aside from car accidents, she hasnt had to make any large repairs to the car.

ive had my lincoln for a year and 3 months and ive had to replace 2 ball joints, an air bag, repair an oil pan, and replace an engine. ive looked at my car in the driveway more than ive driven it.
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Nobody said our Lincolns. They stopped making these 5 years ago.

On a side note, except for the blender door problem last November my Mark VIII has been more reliable than my wifes Subaru. Both of our cars have about the same mileage and her Subaru has already had the tranny replaced and she's on her 3rd radio, all of them original equipment radios.


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RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

I'm even more Haha-ing.

LETS SEE..."ive had my lincoln for a year and 3 months and ive had to replace 2 ball joints, an air bag, repair an oil pan, and replace an engine.

Lets look at your car. You dropped it two inches which does the following: stressing ball joints if you don't realign the car, creates a bigger crease in the air bags with less pressure inside to support them so they leak quicker, have probably bottomed out the car a couple of times and you love to race it. Maybe it is you and not the car. Ya think!

With that said, these motors with the aluminum heads are good for about 150K, the oil pans do rust from condensation in the pan, everybody expects the air bags to last forever (they don't) and the car is heavy and is tended to be driven harder in the corners, wearing out suspension components. Have I missed something?


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RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

I dunno about that 150k quote. I've driven one with 225k, seen another with about 225k sell for $1800, and Johnny Langton just tore down his 215k SOHC motor to find near-perfect bearings and the original honing marks still on the cylinder walls. 150k mile motor? try 300k. but you have to change the oil!
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

My opinion is that the cooling system failure leads to shorter engine life. I just pulled the covers off the '93 with a 155K and the valve train looks great. When I was replacing the pan, the bearing looked pretty good too. One overheat, warped head, blown gasket and your done.

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Bryan
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

I have nothing to add. I learned nothing from that article at all. I knew it all :)
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Is this news report incomplete?? It says "Among manufacturers overall, Porsche led the list, followed closely by Toyota. Honda, Nissan and BMW AG rounded out the top five".

And then further, it said Lincoln bested Honda. Sounds a little confusing, no?
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Lincoln is a division of Ford. For divisional quality, Lincoln was better than Honda - for company numbers, the actual Ford division drug down the average.
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

I'm even more Haha-ing.
Lets look at your car. You dropped it two inches which does the following: stressing ball joints if you don't realign the car, creates a bigger crease in the air bags with less pressure inside to support them so they leak quicker, have probably bottomed out the car a couple of times and you love to race it. Maybe it is you and not the car. Ya think!

With that said, these motors with the aluminum heads are good for about 150K, the oil pans do rust from condensation in the pan, everybody expects the air bags to last forever (they don't) and the car is heavy and is tended to be driven harder in the corners, wearing out suspension components. Have I missed something?
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actually fella, i had ball joint problems long before i ever even knew how to slam the car. this actually happened right after i bought the car. just another one of the things that just popped up with this thing, kinda like the starter that just popped up. the air bag and the oil pan were all the handy work of a less than competant mechanic who was working on the ball joint. have i missed something?
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Yes you have Paul. Ball joints are a wear item. They will need to be replaced at some point on every car. Not just Mark VIIIs. Then you go on to criticize your car for the air bags and oil pan at the same time you blame it on your incompetent mechanic for those problems.

Am [font size = "6"]I[/font] missing something?

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Bryan
 
RE: Lincoln more reliable than Honda

Paul, not to flame you or anything, but your experience is just that - your experience. I'm sure JD Powers and his associates based their ratings on many more owners' experiences, or else it would be a pretty useless rating.

Just because your old Integra is more reliable than your Mark doesn't mean that all Hondas are more reliable than all Lincolns. The scope of this survey isn't nearly so broad, it was for 3-year-old vehicles only. And the fact that this survey came from a well-respected source lends it credibility IMO.

And in the end that rating is just a number - it doesn't speak of the quality (or lack thereof) of every single car built. You can have good Lincolns and bad Lincolns, good Hondas and bad Hondas. Believe it or not I have talked to people that have had lemon Hondas. I posted that link because I found it interesting that Lincoln (a domestic car maker, and the stereotype is that domestic car = crap) was able to edge out Honda (the stereotypical paragon of reliability) in a survey from a very reputable source.

Again, no flame intended.

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