Links

Trixie

Moderator
Staff member
I've noticed more and more links being put here in the glove box and elsewhere, and I just wondered if you guys can do me a favor:

1) provide a little description, so I know if it's worth the time to download something, or so I can determine if it's something I've seen already.

2) Let me know if, perhaps, this might not be a good link to click on while I'm at work.

Thanks!
 
RE: Links

I agree, perhaps a "NWS" in the description if it's not work safe.

A little description would help too, but i don't care so much about that with broadband. If i don't get at least 30k a second, i usually cancel the download anyway.
 
RE: Links

I don't think it's a very good idea to be posting links to movies, pics, etc. These things could contain a virus unbeknownst to the person who posted the link. I'd say exercise some common sense here and be careful. I never click on links that appear to be downloads.
 
RE: Links

Trixie, excellent idea!!

I don't think it's a very good idea to be posting links to movies, pics, etc. These things could contain a virus unbeknownst to the person who posted the link. I'd say exercise some common sense here and be careful. I never click on links that appear to be downloads.


This is where internet paranoia surfaces and then scares everyone out of downloading anything?

Leo, the ONLY thing you can download that can hurt you would be an Executable file IE: .EXE .VBS or similar, any .mpg, .mov, .wmv, .jpg, .gif etc. CANNOT contain virusus?
Plus if you any type of recently updated virus scanning software it would be nipped in the bud before it did anything anyway.

Why and where does everyone get this info from?
 
RE: Links

Despite what you say Geno there is absolutely a danger, there are many viruses and worms that can be disguised in various ways. To say these downloadable files can't contain a virus is wrong, they certainly can and these morons that write these viruses are getting sneakier by the minute.

Also, virus scanning software doesn't always work because a new virus or worm may pop up that has not yet been caught by the people wrtiting the scanning software. Just go to their sites and read what they have to say.

I have a Mac so I'm not affected by 99.9% of thhe viruses out there but that .1% would be enough for me not to take any chances. I say again... better safe than sorry folks, exercise common sense.
 
RE: Links

I like seeing most of the links, videos, and pictures that are posted. I'd hate to see people stop posting them out of fear of a virus.
 
RE: Links

Despite what you say Geno there is absolutely a danger, there are many viruses and worms that can be disguised in various ways. To say these downloadable files can't contain a virus is wrong, they certainly can and these morons that write these viruses are getting sneakier by the minute.

Also, virus scanning software doesn't always work because a new virus or worm may pop up that has not yet been caught by the people wrtiting the scanning software. Just go to their sites and read what they have to say.

I have a Mac so I'm not affected by 99.9% of thhe viruses out there but that .1% would be enough for me not to take any chances. I say again... better safe than sorry folks, exercise common sense.


Hi,

My name is James Jackson. I've been an internet technical support person since 1996, servicing customers in Southern New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and Maryland.

I can say confidently, and absolutely, that there is NO way for you to get a 'virus' or 'worm' or 'Trojan' by opening a file ending in .jpg .gif .psd or .txt ... In fact the ONLY types of file that you can get a virus from are ones that can execute code on your system. Examples of files that can do that are .exe and .scr

You can see what a file extension stands for, and what it is likely to do by going to this site http://www.filext.com/ and typing in the extension, you can also search for the extension in Google, and you'll most likely find the results there quickly.

As far as virus scanning software not always working, you are correct, but this is due to the fact that most users do not update their virus scanning files more than once a month.

If any windows user is in doubt as to weather they have a virus or not they can scan their computer for free by going to http://housecall.antivirus.com/ . This site is the most up to date scanner available because it is remotely run from trend micro's site.

As far as Mac users go, you can download Virex - currently it has been 6 months since the release of a new Macintosh virus...and oddly enough that's a Microsoft Excel Macro virus (so if you don't use Microsoft products on Mac machines you're pretty safe [and I'm one Mac user that HATES Micro$oft products]).

I'm only posting this because I am really tired of Geno calling me and asking me if he's gotten a virus and it's people like you that get users to call tech support people and worry about viruses. Despite the fact that they are common, viruses are really hard to get unless you open files from your e-mail (or use Outlook or Outlook Express to browse your e-mail).

Keep it simple...if in doubt don't open it, but the things you doubt about can be simplified to a small list.

You never have to worry about a Jpg or Gif...NEVER.

Thanks,
James
 
RE: Links

Sorry Leo, James was here and was reading this thread and had to jump in. Hope the info was useful to you.
 
RE: Links

guys... files with .jpg, and mpg, don’t mean they are clear, I have seen many with viruses EMBEDDED in them. All you need is a binding software, and you can bind a patch to ANY type of file.... Just be careful.
 
RE: Links

... and another thing... links to websites most likely dont contain anything harmful anyway... but the web site you are taken to can attach a "hijacker" or "spy-ware" on your system if it is not up to snuff as far as protection.

Moe, I agree... turns out, one of my co-workers was abusing the computer at work on a slow night, and visited quite a few websites that had "co-pilots" that hijacked out PC. He was unable to download anything.... period... just by being on the site, a cookie or something like that attached spyware that tracked the computer.

Somehow, we ended up with a virus. Well, guess what... it was embedded in an email I had sent out with a JPG image of our race car, and my buddy called me to let me know that his virus protection/ad-aware software detected it before he downloaded it.

I am not PC savy, but I know I almost ruined his PC without even knowing.

BTW, my PC is safe now, so if anyone gets email from me.... fear not! Keep your virus protection software up to date... use common sense, and KEPP POSTING LINKS.... THEY RULE!

Just follow Sharon's advice... a nice description is very helpful. Some of us have jobs ya know? We'd like to keep them!

BlackIceLSC-VP LODNCA
http://mark8.org/lodnca
94 Black/Black M8
95 Champagne/Saddle M8
http://www.markviii.org/~blackicelsc/lodcard2.JPG
 
RE: Links

A description of what the link is to is just a matter of consideration. Do us all a favor and describe the links you post.
 
RE: Links

There's so much misinformation out there that I don't expect anyone to believe what I say more than anyone else. But here it is anyway.
I offer this only for informational purposes and it is up to you to take responsibility for you own computer. In other words, don't come running to me if you screw up your machine.

Geno is right. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to get a virus from true image files (gif, jpeg, mpeg, wmv, avi, etc.). Those types of files are incapable of executing any kind of code, period.

Here's where people get into trouble: By default, Windows HIDES the file extension in Windows Explorer or My Computer. For example, the file "myfile.exe" just shows up as "myfile". The ".exe" part is hidden, presumably to make the file list look "cleaner" I guess. I don't know what the hell Microsoft was thinking.

Now, these scumbag virus writers know that most people don't bother to turn "show file extensions" on, and they take advantage of that. They write a virus with a .exe, .scr, .vbs, or whatever file extention, but they insert a ".jpg" in the middle of the file name itself, for example: "MyPicture.jpg.exe". If Windows is set to not show file extensions, you will see "MyPicture.jpg" and think it's perfectly fine. But Windows sees the ENTIRE file name, ignores ".jpg", and runs the file according to the extension after the LAST dot in the name (which you dont' see). All dots before the last dot are meaningless to Windows.

In fact, that's exactly what the virus in the link Leo posted was doing:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.sst@mm.html

From the text: "This worm arrives as an attachment named AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs"

Again, the ".jpg" part of the file name is meaningless. It's the ".vbs" that determines what the file REALLY is.

So how do you avoid this? First things first: Turn on file extensions. I'm still running Windows 98, but I assume the setting is similar for 2000 and XP. Open Windows Explorer or My Computer. In the "View" menu, go to "Folder Options...". The second tab is "View". In that tab, there should be an option that says "Hide file extensions for known file types". Make sure that option is turned OFF (no check box). You will now see the FULL file name on all your files.

And remember: Ignore all dots except the LAST one in the name and don't double click the file unless you know what the extension is.

HOWEVER, some of the more creative virus writers embed HTML and graphics into the email to make it APPEAR that the file is legit. For instance, the recent "MyDoom" virus arrives with an attachment that LOOKS like a regular text file, but you cannot see the true file extension because he embedded a graphic of a text file icon. When you click on it, it kicks off the virus. The guy even had the foresight to open up Notepad when you click it, filled with a bunch of nonsense characters, so people would think the file really was a simple text file but was corrupted. But that was just a trick to distract you. The real damage was going on behind the scenes, unknown to you.

So how do you get around that? One thing you can do is disable HTML in your email program, but that may be unacceptable to some people. The only other thing you can do is right-click on the attachment and show the Properties. Make sure the file name AND EXTENSION matches what you see on the screen. If not, it could be something dangerous.

So what it boils down to is make sure you know what you've got before you click.

SAFE File Extensions (just off the top of my head):
.jpg
.gif
.mpg
.mpeg
.avi.
.wmv
.txt

POTENTIALLY UNSAFE file extentsions:
The file extentions below are some of the more common ones that arrive in emails as a virus or worm, but it is not a complete list. For even more, see this Tech TV article:
http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/features/story/0,24330,3015142,00.html

.bat: Batch file
.chm: Compiled HTML Help file
.cmd: Microsoft Windows NT Command script
.com: Microsoft MS-DOS program
.exe: Program
.hlp: Help file
.inf: Setup Information
.lnk: Shortcut
.pif: Shortcut to MS-DOS program
.reg: Registration entries
.scr: Screen saver
.sct: Windows Script Component
.shs: Shell Scrap object
.shb: Shell Scrap object
.vb: VBScript file
.vbe: VBScript Encoded script file
.vbs: VBScript file
.wsc: Windows Script Component
.wsf: Windows Script file
.wsh: Windows Script Host Settings file

Be aware that most of the file types above are legitimate file types that Windows uses every day. However, if you receive an email with a file that ends in one of them DO NOT OPEN IT unless you confirm from the sender that he actually sent it! It is VERY unlikely anyone would send you these types of files unless you're a computer programmer.



The virus info in the second link Leo posted,
http://charmy.tky.hut.fi/brit.txt
is another animal altogether, and one I am less familiar with. Basically, what it boils down to is that the scumbag virus writers write code directly into a web page that takes advantage of Internet Explorer security holes (which are being found all the time). It's got nothing to do with jpegs or gifs, and in fact it could be any URL. They just use things like Brittany.jpg in the URL to trick people into clicking on the link. Once there, you may be redirected to another page which contains the actual code.

What to do? Simple: Don't use Internet Explorer. Ever.

Microsoft decided to build in a million bells and whistles that 99.999% of regular user will never use. Things that are supposed to be used for big corporate applications that use Exchange server and whatnot, where all kinds of fancy crap has to happen.

Try out [link:www.mozilla.org|Mozilla] or [link:www.opera.com|Opera]. Mozilla is absolutely free, and it is superior to IE in every respect. Not only is it faster, but it also offers a setting to disable popups, a BIG plus.

If you insist on using IE (or even if you don't for that matter), you absolutely need to run [link:windowsupdate.microsoft.com|Windows Update] regularly. That's where you'll get patches for all these security holes. Just concentrate on the "Critical" fixes. Everything else is not essential unless you want it.

Finally, of course, keep your anti-virus software up to date. You MUST upload the latest updates on a regular basis (once a week at least) or your AV software is essentially useless.

But even then, you can't be 100% sure. Some of the recent viruses spread so fast that people were getting infected before the anti-virus people were able to get out an update. And some viruses, if they got past your AV software because it wasn't up to date, will disable the AV software completely, so further updates will not even detect it.


So to sum up...

1. Turn on file extensions so you know what you've got.
2. Don't click on files of the types you aren't familiar with.
3. Run Windows Update once a week.
4. Update your anti-virus software once a week or whenever a bad new virus is announced.

Or just forgo all of the above and buy a Mac. ;-)
 
RE: Links

Oops, that obviously should have read:
You MUST download the latest updates on a regular basis (once a week at least) or your AV software is essentially useless.
 
RE: Links

...Or just forgo all of the above and buy a Mac. ;-)

MACS RULE AS EVERYONE KNOWS! :) Once you get your Mac however, throw away all Microsoft software, you won't need it anyway. Microsoft has to have some of the worst stuff out there, thhey even manage to ruin good software once they buy it! I had VirtualPC running on the Mac so I could test web pages and run Stamps,com on the PC side and it worked fine until Microsoft bought it, now it won't print or run on newer Macs and they claim they don't know when it will work! I actually had to go out and buy a PC (kicking and screaming) just to run one lousy piece of software! OK, rant over... :) Macs rule...
 
Back
Top