Relationship advice?

Patrick

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[pathetic_teenage_ramblings]

I'll preface this by saying that I'm a square dancer. I first took lessons back in autumn of 2003, so I suppose it's been about four years now. When I took lessons, there was a girl there who, at the time, I thought to be amazing. And apparently, I still do now.

My club meets once a week, and this is the only time I see her, if that. Sometimes she doesn't show up, sometimes I don't, et cetera. She's always beaming and appears to really enjoy talking with me, dancing with me (more so than she does with the others), and things of that nature.

I've had a very bad history when it comes to girls-- I've never once had a girl not reject me upon my request for a date. That's one of the reasons that I've yet to ask her out.

Another reason is that she's one of the best dancers there, and should she reject me, I don't want to create any possible tension that might stop me from dancing with her in the future.

And the final reason that I'm skeptical is that while I'm currently 17, she's 15 (I believe almost to be 16, though), and I'm unaware if this is an age gap that might be frowned upon by society.

Now, on to the reasons that I've been seriously contemplating asking her out. During a hiatus of my arrival at the dances lasting since... I believe around December until mid June, I've acquired a means of transportation (my Mark. haha). Which would make things much smoother considering she lives about 30 miles away from me. Also, I'm the type of guy that will do almost anything to prove a point. And for the last week or so, I've been having recurring dreams where I ask her out, and she doesn't do anything but laugh at me. I take this as my subconscious challenging me to ask her, and I have to admit, it's very tempting.

One last thing and then I'll shut up and let y'all give me some advice.

Her parents also frequent the dances, and I've a very good relationship with them. I'm afraid that even my simply asking her out (even if she agrees) might tarnish things with her parents, and I don't want them to hate me. I've been contemplating doing what appears to be the proper thing and asking them first if they'd allow me to ask their daughter out, but I don't know how to phrase it without making them... I can't think of the word to place here, but y'all are bound to know what I'm talking about. They don't seem like the type who would be at all mad about it-- if anything, they'd probably be all for it since during the past four years, they seem to have gained a very high opinion of me.

Alright! I'm done talking. If anyone has any advice whatsoever, I'd LOVE to hear it. Any questions, and I'd be more than willing to answer them, but I'm afraid that I'm heading off soon, I've got an early day at work tomorrow. Also, my club meets Friday nights, so the quicker the advice, the better! Although I think they might still be on vacation next week, but I don't know.

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ask her out while you are still 17, once you turn 18 i think she is jail bate
or ask her for her number
 
Oh I know the whole jailbait thing, but that's only if she and I switch from square dancing to the horizontal hustle. ;)
 
Well, I'd suggest trying to get a small group from the square dancing club to go out for coffee or something after a dance. I think you might get a better feel for it, or be more comforatable in a small group setting. Or even just ask her to go out for a little bit after a dance. Start small and work your way up to asking for a real date.
 
Rejection or not, the ONLY way you are going to find out if she WILL go out with you is if you ASK her to go out. Is she seeing anyone else? Do you see her at any other place except for the square dances? Do you know WHY you have been rejected by all of your requests for dates? If so, have you tried to correct that problem? Bad acne? Are you really ugly? (I doubt that). Do you shower regularly? Do you dance with ANY other girls while at these dances? Is it JUST square dancing or is there also round (ballroom?) The questions could go on and on, but no matter what, if you wish to ask her out socially, just ask her....if she is interested, she'll say yes, if not, it'll be no...it's better to know when you are just spinning your wheels.
 
Grow some nuts. Ask her out. I am short, out of shape, *******. I am also a smart, witty, genuinely honest person. Present your good qualities to her and get to know her. Ask her to go with a group somewhere, if that goes well, ask her to go with just you somewhere. After the dance is probably a good idea. You may have to be friends a bit first before she trusts you to be her boyfriend or to even really go on a date. She probably doesn't "like" you like you like her yet. There are some women that develop that attraction quickly but many that I have known do not. The latter are tricky for me as I am ready to just say hey I like you let me keep you in the bedroom so long they'll put your face on the back of a milk carton then you can make me a sandwich. Most girls don't like this approach. Spend some time talking to her, getting to know her, and invite her to a nonchalant friendly gathering. Bring a friend that puts you on your A game, someone who your personality bounces off with well and wouldn't make a move on your girl.

Then if your nice and you get lucky and she likes you, you might just get some dates. Lastly don't take it too hard if she says no. Honestly I forget all the girls that have said no because I usually didn't want to invest the time to get to know them. Investing that time, and flirting with her while you do it is important. Especially the flirting, you don't want to get trapped in the friend zone.
 
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Trixie said:
Well, I'd suggest trying to get a small group from the square dancing club to go out for coffee or something after a dance. ... ... Or even just ask her to go out for a little bit after a dance. Start small and work your way up to asking for a real date.

The small group thing would be a good idea if the dances didn't end at 11pm when virtually everything is closed for the night. The group is also generally older people (she and I are the only minors there), and I find it very difficult to be myself around people not my age. :/

budpytko said:
Rejection or not, the ONLY way you are going to find out if she WILL go out with you is if you ASK her to go out. Is she seeing anyone else? Do you see her at any other place except for the square dances? Do you know WHY you have been rejected by all of your requests for dates? ... ... Do you dance with ANY other girls while at these dances? Is it JUST square dancing or is there also round (ballroom?) The questions could go on and on, but no matter what, if you wish to ask her out socially, just ask her....if she is interested, she'll say yes, if not, it'll be no...it's better to know when you are just spinning your wheels.

Yeah yeah I know, I'm just tired of the whole rejection thing. haha I don't think she's seeing anyone else. I don't see her anywhere else because, like I mentioned, she lives a decent distance away from me. My only guess as to why I've been rejected is because most of the girls seem to be relatively egomaniacal, and tend to go for guys who are the same. Yes, it's just square dancing (unfortunately)... I love round dancing, but haven't done it in a while.

KyleH said:
Grow some nuts. Ask her out.

Thanks. Quick derail: are you a goon, by any chance? I could swear that you seem familiar from over there...
 
The small group thing would be a good idea if the dances didn't end at 11pm when virtually everything is closed for the night. The group is also generally older people (she and I are the only minors there), and I find it very difficult to be myself around people not my age. :/



Yeah yeah I know, I'm just tired of the whole rejection thing. haha I don't think she's seeing anyone else. I don't see her anywhere else because, like I mentioned, she lives a decent distance away from me. My only guess as to why I've been rejected is because most of the girls seem to be relatively egomaniacal, and tend to go for guys who are the same. Yes, it's just square dancing (unfortunately)... I love round dancing, but haven't done it in a while.



Thanks. Quick derail: are you a goon, by any chance? I could swear that you seem familiar from over there...

I would rather kill myself than pay $10 for a forum. I do not give up my jew gold easily. Honestly if you're a member of SA, (i.E. a goon) thats why girls don't like you. Not the fact that you're registered there, but the fact that no one likes anyone who is registered there.
 
Her parents also frequent the dances, and I've a very good relationship with them. I'm afraid that even my simply asking her out (even if she agrees) might tarnish things with her parents, and I don't want them to hate me.
If you have a good relationship with her parents belive me they would be happy for you to date HER.
if anything, they'd probably be all for it since during the past four years, they seem to have gained a very high opinion of me.

If you have the parents you have the girl IF YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT.
Listen to Trixie she knows what she is talking about !
 
Don't worry about rejection. You will be rejected by one or many during your single life. When you are rejected, don't dwell on it, just move on. There is/are one/many girl(s) who won't reject you. If you grovel, she will own you and abuse you. Have fun! You and she are too young to get too serious anyway. I know you don't want to hear that.
 
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