Road Rage

sleeper

Former LOD President
This story is the reason people carry guns. It's also the reason that i'm pissed off right now that i'm not allowed to have a gun at work, and as such didn't have my gun with me at the time.

Yesterday, on the way to work, i had to change lanes so as to get off on my offramp. I had enough room, so i signaled (my mistake) and got over. Of course, the guy i was getting in front of put it to the floor as soon as he saw my signal. When i got over anyway, and he had to slam on the brakes, he swerved around me, cut me off, and stopped on the freeway. It's a miracle i didn't hit him, and another miracle nobody hit me. If i were in my '78 i probably would have selected the other pedal, but oh well. So i go around. He tries to run me off the road. He's pounding on his window and threatening to kick my arse, trying to get me to pull over and fight. Now, had i had my weapon (i have a permit to carry, but i work on a military base where i'm not allowed to have a weapon, even in my car) i would have simply set it on the dash, watched him turn white, and that would have been that. But no. I had no weapon, and i wasn't stupid enough to stop and get out of the car, so i just gave him the finger and kept driving. I had to deal with this a-hole for the next however many miles i was on the highway, trying to run me off the road and threatening to whup me.

So i get to work yesterday, p.o.'ed. I eventually forgot about it, but not without repeated visions of me beating the hell out of the guy.

So this morning, I was on my way to work again (which is why i was still unarmed), and i stopped to get gas less than a block from my home. I'm about to climb in and leave, and there's some pint-sized (edit) up in my face. Sure enough, i see the same car sitting by the door. I tell the guy that if he touches me, i'm going to see him in jail. He continues to threaten me (i was bigger, so maybe i could have taken him, but i'm not a low-life, so my fighting skills are probably not equal to his). Eventually he head-butts me in the face. He was threatening me with "i know where you work" yada yada yada. I told him straight up, "i work at tacom. If you can get past the guys at the gate with assault rifles then we can play."

I was just wishing that i had my gun. If i did, i'd have drawn it, and if he didn't make me shoot him (which i would hope he would not), i'd have gotten him arrested and pressed assault charges. Either way, if i had my gun that guy wouldn't be threatening any other motorists.

I tried to call the cops but my cellphone was dead, and when i went in to tell the attendant to call the cops, he refused. And i couldn't get the guys license number.

What is it with stupid people?
 
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I sympathize with you. I find anytime one REALLY needs the cell phone the damn thing is dead. They are useless.

Why would the guy in the station NOT call the cops?? What kinda jerk is he? Good thing you didn't have your weapon. You'd shot the guy, and your luck he'd died, & you'd be a murderer - worse, he coulda grabed it from you & shot YOU and then claimed self defense. Tell me, which was it? Hondah, Toyopet, Mazola, piss-on or bummer? Had to be one of them!
 
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Chevy Beretta.

I wouldn't have shot him unless i had to. I know that if he saw the gun yesterday (he would have) i wouldn't even have encountered him today. If i shoved it in his face today, he'd have been put to a decision. If he shuts up and listens, he just goes to jail. If he grabs the gun, i shoot him, and it's justified. If he turns and runs, i get his plate, and call the cops.

Legally, i could have shot him today. He had the ability and opportunity to kill me or do me great bodily harm (if someone assaults me, there's a chance i'll get killed, just look at the hockey player with the broken neck). He had the intent, and demonstrated it when he head-butted me in the face. And my alternatives were a) take an offensive posture or b) flee. He was in my face preventing me from getting in my vehicle and fleeing the scene. He was blocking option b, so that left me with take an offensive posture. Which i did. I got back in his face. I wasn't about to throw a punch, unless i absolutely had to. Drawing my gun would have been a more effective way to take an offensive posture. Hopefully it would have resulted in him in jail, but if he goes to grab it or charges me, i have exhausted all my alternatives, and i must shoot.

In order to legally shoot someone (in MI at least), they must have the ability, opportunity and intent to kill you or do you great bodily harm (note, if they can do this without a weapon, they don't have to have a weapon for you to shoot them). If i had my weapon on me, and he tried to assault me, I would be expected by just about any cop to draw my weapon. Engaging in a fight with a holstered weapon is just asking to get shot with your own gun. Therefore i would have been completely justified in drawing my weapon. You also have to exhaust all other alternatives before you shoot someone. Yesterday, driving away was an option, so i could not legally have shot him. Today, he was in my face and blocking my exit. If i pulled my gun and he didn't back down, i could have shot him. In all likelihood, the mere presence of a gun would have caused him to back down and/or flee, and only my threats could have kept him around long enough for the cops to get there (if he tries to take off, i obviously can't shoot him). But if he grabbed at my gun, I would have been forced (and legally able) to shoot him.

Like i said, either way, he wouldn't be assaulting any other drivers. He would either have learnt his lesson through fear, learnt his lesson through being tossed in jail, or if he was REALLY stupid, been shot. Hopefully the next guy he tries to assault either has a gun or the strength/size/stupidity to put him in the hospital.
 
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Man, if he head butted me... I would of taken the bat i carry in all my cars, Out and repeatedly beat him or his car. In PA their gun laws are alot looser then NY im going to get a hand gun premit, maybe even a cw
 
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I'm glad it didn't turn more serious.

But Dave, aren't you scared that if he saw the gun yesterday, today he would have come at you in the gas station with a gun of his own?

I do believe you are entitled to own and carry a weapon, I just hate to see them used.
 
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And that's why when I get some extra time this summer I'm going to be getting my license to carry. I've been in situations very similar to that with complete nut jobs. Just taking it out shuts a lot of stupid people up. So you work on a military base and can't carry a gun? Seems strange, sucks though!
 
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Dave, ever think that this guy's been stalking you? I mean what were (are) the odds to run into him again, and just a block or 2 from your house??? VERY weird! Where in the gas station was his car?

I would not spend one cent there again. That punk would not call the police when you requested? Let him eat is premium!

PS / If he head butten me, I' would have gotten in my car and as I went to get in told him that I was very sorry and that I apoligize to him, slipped into my car pulled forward done a U turn and blatently run his sorry ___ over, and then backed up to see what I hit?!?
 
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That kind of crap pisses me off!!!!!!!
The reason I'm getting my degree in criminal justice is because of aHoles like that. I wish I was there with you Dave, I would have kicked the crap out of that guy just for you. ;)

I gotta go punch something now!


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The main reason i didn't want it to come to a fistfight is because the best way for me to win would have been something like a hard punch to the throat, a kick to the balls, and repeated stomping of the face. All that equals me in jail. So that's why i ruled out fighting the guy. Plus the chance that i'd get my own ass beat, and he didn't appear to have enough money to be worth suing. I win, i go to jail, i lose, i don't get any money. Lose-lose situation there.

I doubt he would be stalking me. I think it's just coincidence. My truck is pretty recognizeable.
 
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In situations like that. the moment that a-hole head butted me I would have beat the crap out of him, then shoved his keys up his A-hole.....shoved him in my trunk drove him to a deserted stretch of road made him strip buck naked then left him there!!!....
 
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In situations like that. the moment that a-hole head butted me I would have beat the crap out of him, then shoved his keys up his A-hole.....shoved him in my trunk drove him to a deserted stretch of road made him strip buck naked then left him there!!!....

you know R kelly? :7
 
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Man not to be a (edit) but you all are all (edit) !!!! A gun ! You need that ! That's stuff for cowards to hind behind, can't be a real man and use your hands !!! What the hell, now hearing stuff like that pisses me off lol! Why a gun! He head butted you and you didnt do anything ! In order to head butt you he had to be in your face....you let him get that close ?? Why ? I have had situations like that and never once wanted a gun. No reason for one. What does that prove what wow you can pull a trigger....your real tuff then... Use your hands, be a man, do it the right way-do it the fair way... I know this guy was 100% wrong for being an ahole cutting you out and all that and that is agreed but either deal with it the right way or dont deal with it at all...
Oh yeah by the way im 6ft tall 145lbs so im not the biggest guy out there but I am an amateur boxer(golden gloves champ 01')
WHAT WOULD A GUN PROVE====NOTHING !!!!!
 
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"The main reason i didn't want it to come to a fistfight is because the best way for me to win would have been something like a hard punch to the throat, a kick to the balls, and repeated stomping of the face. All that equals me in jail. "

You do realize that some guys can take a hit to the balls and keep going-i'm one of them lol---do you know how hard it is to punch someone in the throat when they are that close to you especially if you are untrained--also in order to stomp his face you would need to get him on the ground first---how does that equal you in jail?? He hit you first and although the cops rarely believe one person over the other--you were at a gas station: cameras all over the place???? So how would that mean you in jail and i am sure when the guy head butted you people saw and were watching-not something that goes unseen two guys having it out with each other and one guy hitting the other---
I do realize that this lacks proper punctuation-i don't care its 3 in the morning--
 
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we were the only ones at the gas station. I don't care about the mechanics of the fight, i was dressed to go to work, and i had to go to work. I stand by my previous assertion, i would rather have shot him than engage in a fight. There was nothing for me to gain by fighting him. I would have either gotten my ass beat, or i would have probably gotten sued or thrown in jail.

It's not about letting him get close to me. By the time i saw him, he was close enough to head butt me. And i wasn't about to touch him first, i don't want to the assault charge. I wasn't about to back off either, because then he would have been MORE confident and may have thrown a punch. I got in his face and started yelling f you, you cut me off you prick, go suck it, if you touch me i'll see your punk a.. in jail, etc.
 
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If you had MACE,
you couldv'e sprayed him and kick him in the teeth a few times while he was crying on the floor.
Also find someone to run the plate # and visit him at his house on YOUR terms,
the element of suprise will give you the advantage,
like he had with you in the gas station.

PS I am licensed in NY and do carry a .380 PPK/S
to Brooklyn every day,
and I DON'T think I would have pulled it in that situation anyway.
 
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Wow Dave... I'm not sure if your just the king of self control, or one of the most dangerous 'I'll just shoot your ass rather then hit you' kinda guys...

I'm amazed that he hit you and you didn't mop the pavement up with him. I would have ripped his arms off and beaten him to death with them. I'm not much for fighting, but man you hit me first and I just loose it...

Anyway, it sounds like you're ok at least so I'm glad for that...

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Guy's, please clean up the language. I just did some editing and there is a lot more I should do, but I dont want to spend the next hour cleaning up all the violations.

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Man, that really sucks, Dave, and then to have to go to work after all that is even worse. I'm with Paul on this one...makes you really wish you had a "trunk monkey". :+
 
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Romer I did not know you were an amateur boxer. Damn i shouldve beat the crap out of you up at franklin mills mall.:) I remember you were half dissing my wheels. or was that somebody else?
 
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