Say goodbye to cars as we know them (in a couple of years)

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_fuel_economy

I sure hope they mean the pre 2008 EPA #s... otherwise all of us will be stuck driving Prius' in the near future.

"WASHINGTON - President Bush signed into law Wednesday legislation that will bring more fuel-efficient vehicles into auto showrooms and require wider use of ethanol, calling it "a major step" toward energy independence and easing global warming.



The legislation signed by Bush at a ceremony at the Energy Department requires automakers to increase fuel efficiency by 40 percent to an industry average 35 miles per gallon by 2020. It also ramps up production of ethanol use to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022.

Bush said the new requirements will help "address our vulnerabilities and dependency" on foreign oil by reducing demand for gasoline and diversifying the nation's fuel supply.

"We make a major step ... toward reducing our dependence on oil, fighting global climate change, expanding the production of renewable fuels and giving future generations ... a nation that is stronger cleaner and more secure," said the president.

Bush was flanked by Democrat and Republican members of Congress who had ushered the legislation through.

The House passed the energy bill Tuesday by a 314-100 vote after the Senate cleared it last week following lengthy negotiations and sometimes testy confrontations. Bush had vowed to veto the original legislation passed by the House because it included $21 billion in taxes.

The tax provisions were dropped to get the bill approved.

Congress delivered the legislation to the White House late Tuesday in a gas-hybrid sedan.

Bush noted that earlier this year he had proposed a plan to cut gasoline use by 20 percent over the next 10 years. But the president has long opposed arbitrary numerical standards for vehicle fuel economy.

The legislation increases the federal standard automakers must meet to an industry wide 35 mpg for passengers cars, SUVs and small trucks. The standard for cars today is 27.5 mpg and for trucks and SUVs 22.2 mpg.

It requires refineries to increase the use of ethanol from about 6 billion gallons a year this year to 36 billion gallons by 2022 and mandates that by then at least 21 billion gallons are to come from feedstocks other than corn.

Bush praised that provision which would spur the development of ethanol from cellulosic feedstocks such as prairie grass and wood chips.

"We understand the hog growers are getting nervous. The price of corn is up," said the president.

Flanking Bush were Senate Majority Harry Reid of Nevada and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California as well as Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a longtime protector of the auto industry. Dingell played a key role in working out a compromise on the vehicle fuel economy measure.

Democrats have hailed the legislation as a turn to a new direction in U.S. energy policy.

"I firmly believe this country needs to have a comprehensive energy strategy," said Bush before signing the bill. He referred to the need for more nuclear energy and domestic oil production — issues that the new energy bill ignores.

Instead, the bill focuses largely on conservation, calling for more energy efficiency in "light bulbs to light trucks" as Dingell observed during the House debate on the legislation.

"This is a choice between yesterday and tomorrow" on energy policy, Pelosi said Tuesday shortly before the House passed the bill, sending it to the White House.

The bill also calls for improved energy efficiency of appliances such as refrigerators, freezers and dishwashers, and a 70 percent increase in the efficiency of light bulbs. It also calls for energy efficiency improvements in federal buildings and construction of commercial buildings.

The new lighting standards alone are projected to lower consumers' annual electricity bills by $13 billion in 2020, remove the need for 60 mid-size power plants and reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, the leading greenhouse gas, by 100 million tons a year, said the advocacy group Alliance to Save Energy.

Democrats said the fuel economy requirements will save motorists $700 to $1,000 a year in fuel costs and reduce oil demand by 1.1 million barrels a day when the fuel-stingy vehicles are widely on the road.

The overall bill including more ethanol use and various efficiency requirements and incentives, will cut U.S. oil demand by 4 million barrels a day by 2030, more than twice the current daily imports from the volatile Persian Gulf, Democrats said."
 
Ehh, wont change things that much. Auto companies are just gonna have to find ways ways of producing more efficient cars. Lighter weight, turbos, direct inject. I've heard Ford is planning on converting all accessories to electrical, to reduce parasitic loss.
 
The US may have to do like other countries and start producing more diesel engines cars. The gasoline reciprocating piston engine design is very old and inefficient, not much more they can do with it as far as efficacy.
 
Yea direct injection eletrical accessories etc may yield 10-15%... they will seriously have to reduce car size and engine size in order to meet that 35mpg goal. Good luck making a truck that gets over 30mpg on the freeway...
 
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Small trucks have to reach the 35mpg standard, but the bigger trucks I believe will be on a lower standard, though still high compared to those of today.
 
I just wonder how they can save weight and still pass crash test and all. Cars are getting heavier at a very fast rate because of safety regulations.
 
Small engines.... that is the key... there has been a HUGE HP race in the past 10 years or so... with every car nearly doubling it's output from a decade ago... while gas prices shot up 3 fold... this is a very odd situation if you ask me.
 
some of you older guys might remember this but wasn't there an article in a popluar mechanices back in the 70's where this guy came up with a carb that got like 40 or 50 mpg and still get the same HP numbers and the a oil company bought it and something in the contract said that he couldn't talk about it or build another one or something? i mean i could be wrong on this but i remember seeing it somewhere. i know i for one would do an ethanol converstion if there where stations here that soild it. 5.0 or Muscle Mustangs done a converstion on a 03 cobra and because the octaine level is like 100 or something you can trun the boost up. Just a thought
 
some of you older guys might remember this but wasn't there an article in a popluar mechanices back in the 70's where this guy came up with a carb that got like 40 or 50 mpg...

It's an urban legend. The Pogue carburetor was fabled to get 200+ MPG back in the 1930's when Pogue patented the idea. Trouble is, he could never prove it worked and the thing was never heard from again... except in legend. Stories abounded about men in black, oil companies buying him out, Ford buying him out, cars stolen, bought back, all sorts of nutty stuff. These stories have been around in one form or another since the 1930's and none are true.

In actuality if it did exist I'm sure one of the big three would have jumped on the idea to produce it! Imagine a car getting 100+ MPG with the same performance as a guzzler? Sales would go through the roof!
 
Umm yea I'll believe all this BS when I see it... gasoline only has so much energy per unit... if one wants to get 100-200mpg one would need to improve efficiency 400% lol which is impossible while maintaining the same performance.
 
gasoline will only continue to go up in price and cars will have to be able to get better mileage or else we will see a drop in car repairs which will hurt the industry as well. I spend almost 400 a month in gas and i'm about to start taking public transportation just so i can have the extra money :) i have thought about putting a 4 cylinder in my town car... i don't like to drive fast anyways and this way i could get my 30+ mpg :) it would sound good if i put a tin can muffler on it too....LOL
 
gasoline will only continue to go up in price and cars will have to be able to get better mileage or else we will see a drop in car repairs which will hurt the industry as well. I spend almost 400 a month in gas and i'm about to start taking public transportation just so i can have the extra money :) i have thought about putting a 4 cylinder in my town car... i don't like to drive fast anyways and this way i could get my 30+ mpg :) it would sound good if i put a tin can muffler on it too....LOL


lol.

It doesn't quite work that way... a cars weight is also a huge factor... a TC is over 4000lbs so you have that problem on hand already and a 4 cylinder will not be able to move it around hills.

I am at about $350-400 a month in gas as well :(. And I average around 19-21mpg. Depending on what car I drive, 19 for the crown vic and 21 for the vette.
 
I replaced by old daily driver with a smaller car that gets better gas mileage; that's the best way for me to save on gas. It's much easier to take the dog along with me in this car (hatchback 4-door), and I really like the car.

The Mark was only my daily driver for the first year I had it; since then, it's my fair weather friend. I won't sell it unless I want to - I waited too long to get it!
 
Yea that explains a lot especially because the gas we're pumping now was purchased many months ago lol.
 
Like it or not, that's the way it is! Watch the stock market....if oil goes up, the price of gas is up the next day (so it seems), if the price goes down, it might take a month, if ever, before we see that.
 
semi trucks are required to produce emissions better than what they take in. the new volvo semi-trucks put out cleaner emissions that the actual air.
 
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