Unmanned speeding cameras

Mike P

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This would be bad!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_on_re_us/us_speed_camera_spat

By BRUCE SMITH, Associated Press Bruce Smith, Associated Press – Sun Mar 27, 2:52 pm ET
RIDGELAND, S.C. – As Interstate 95 sweeps past this small town along South Carolina's coastal plain, motorists encounter cameras that catch speeding cars, the only such devices on the open interstate for almost 2,000 miles from Canada to Miami.
The cameras have nabbed thousands of motorists, won accolades from highway safety advocates, attracted heated opposition from state lawmakers and sparked a federal court challenge.
Ridgeland Mayor Gary Hodges said the cameras in his town about 20 miles north of the Georgia line do what they are designed to do: slow people down, reduce accidents and, most importantly, save lives.
But lawmakers who want to unplug them argue the system is just a money-maker and amounts to unconstitutional selective law enforcement.
"We're absolutely shutting it down," said state Sen. Larry Grooms, chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee.
Earlier this month, Ridgeland Police Officer David Swinehamer sat in a van beneath an overpass as a radar gun in a thicket of electronic equipment outside clocked passing vehicles: 60, 72, 73, 67.
Then a Mercedes with South Carolina tags sped by going 83 — 13 mph over the speed limit. A camera fired and pictures of the tag and driver appeared on a monitor in the van. The unaware motorist continued north, but could expect a $133 ticket in the mail in a couple of weeks.
"I just don't think it's right," said James Gain of Kissimmee, Fla., one of the lawsuit plaintiffs who got a ticket last year while driving between his home and Greensboro, N.C. "If you get a ticket you should be stopped by an officer, know you have been stopped and have an opportunity to state your case."
Gain paid the fine, saying it was less expensive than driving six hours back to Ridgeland for court.
Motorists do get a warning. As they enter town, a blue and white sign says they are entering an area with "Photo-Radar Assisted Speed Enforcement."
Speed cameras are used in 14 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. The only other place with a camera on I-95 is in a Maryland work zone.
The cameras have sparked controversy in other places around the nation as well.
Last year, Arizona ended a two-year program with cameras on Phoenix-area expressways and other roads, in part because of perceptions they were being used to raise revenue.
But Cedar Rapids, Iowa, began using cameras last summer on busy I-380. Police there said during the first month of operation, violations dropped 62 percent.
Hodges said since Ridgeland, working with iTraffic Safety, became the first community in South Carolina to deploy cameras in August, motorists are also driving slower along the 7 miles of I-95 passing through the town limits.
From January to July of 2010, there were 55 crashes and four fatalities. From August through the end of last month, there were 38 crashes and no deaths. And since the cameras started operating until last month, there has been almost a 50 percent drop in the number of motorists driving 81 or more.
"You can't argue with the results and the only reason you would be upset is because you are speeding," said Tom Crosby, a spokesman for AAA Carolinas. "All it's doing is enforcing the law and even then you have to be doing over 80 to get a ticket."
Police use driver's license photos or physical descriptions from licenses such as a driver's hair, eye color and weight to identify the motorist. No ticket is issued if there is any question about the driver's identity.
Grooms, the legislator, said since not all speeders are ticketed, it's selective enforcement. He added that while the system may issue a ticket, it doesn't get violators off the road.
"You are driving down the road at 100 mph or you are driving down the road drunk. The camera takes your picture and three weeks later you get a ticket in the mail. There is no element of public safety," he said.
Grooms said the cameras are only a money-maker for the town. Hodges discounts that, saying the town just wants to recover the cost of police and ambulance service for millions of motorists passing through. Two-thirds of ticket money goes to the state, he said.
The town has about $20,000 invested in the van. The contractor, iTraffic Safety, pays the other costs in return for a share of ticket revenue.
While state law prohibits issuing tickets solely on photographic evidence, the mayor said that doesn't apply in Ridgeland because an officer is also there to see the speeder from the van.
But the state Senate, in a 40-0 vote, recently gave approval to changing that and banning speeding tickets from photographs whether the camera is attended or not. The law would also require tickets to be handed directly to a motorist.
The federal lawsuit contends it's unconstitutional to send motorists tickets by mail and to addresses outside town limits.
Ridgeland is one of almost 90 jurisdictions nationwide using cameras to nab speeders and "to our knowledge, every single one of them mails the tickets," Hodges said.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration calls speed cameras "a very effective countermeasure" to crashes but said they should supplement, not replace, officers patrolling. Ridgeland still uses officers on the interstate.
Hodges is not surprised by opposition to the cameras, particularly with South Carolina's history of motorists' rights. South Carolina was one of the last states to enact a .08 blood-alcohol level for drunken driving and took a long time to pass a primary seatbelt law.
"We went through similar things when breathalyzers came out. We went through similar things when radar guns came out," Hodges said. "It's the same type of mentality."
 
The problem is 1, we don't really teach people how to drive and 2, the speed limits are set unrealistically low...
 
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They are not as bad as the red light cameras around here which give you a ticket.if you stop on the line. Even if you turning right and need to scoot up to see past cars sitting to your left. And they don't take care who is driving they just send it to whoever the license plate belongs too.
 
if you go to court you have the right to face your accuser, so let them put the camera on the stand :D
 
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Exactly. You don't have a "right to state your case" when stopped so that's not a valid point either. You're innocent until proven guilty, and if you don't go to court, you've just waived that right by "just paying the ticket".

Quit your bitching and slow down. Lol
 
We will see who is bitching when you are replaced by a robot speed camera and some guy viewing it from Bangalore India :p


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Exactly. You don't have a "right to state your case" when stopped so that's not a valid point either. You're innocent until proven guilty, and if you don't go to court, you've just waived that right by "just paying the ticket".

Quit your bitching and slow down. Lol
 
We now have speed AND red light cameras all over Maryland! I believe that they are not a legal form of justice either, but until people opt to be judged by a jury of their peers, and found innocent no matter what and the state (county-city) finds it is now spending more money than it is making, it won't go away!
 
I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but in Illinois, if you just pay the fine and don't challenge it, the "violation" doesn't go on your record. However, if you decide to challenge it and you lose, it DOES go on your record. I consider that borderline extortion. It encourages people to just pay the outrageous fine instead of exercising their rights. If the goal was to make us drive safer, they would make it so it went on your record either way. This is clearly a revenue maker, for both the government and the camera owners.

The whole notion of having cameras everywhere making us "safer" just makes me sick to my stomach. Where does it end?
 
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I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but in Illinois, if you just pay the fine and don't challenge it, the "violation" doesn't go on your record. However, if you decide to challenge it and you lose, it DOES go on your record. I consider that borderline extortion. It encourages people to just pay the outrageous fine instead of exercising their rights. If the goal was to make us drive safer, they would make it so it went on your record either way. This is clearly a revenue maker, for both the government and the camera owners.

The extortion is really when your insurance company finds out. So for many, paying the fine is a cheap out.
 
The extortion is really when your insurance company finds out. So for many, paying the fine is a cheap out.

That's pretty much my point. They're saying, "if you pay us now we'll look the other way, otherwise we'll tell your insurance company". What a choice, huh? It's an extortion racket, plain and simple.
 
I got the best red light ticket ever in the Saxillac... :D

Woodhaven Blvd in Queens, they take 2 pics, 1/2 a second apart.

Pic 1 is DTSax at the stop line at the beginning of the intersection...

Pic 2 (which is to prove you were actually running the light) CaddySax is traveling so fast across a 6 lane intersection that all you can see is the very back of the trunk and tail lights on the other side of the intersection... :D

They are good pictures too... I have the ticket on my refrigerator :D

Anyway, I don't know what the deal is with fighting it in NY, but it's a $50 ticket, and if you pay it, it doesn't go anywhere...
 
Mark....if you sat ONE session in court with the cases that I get, you'd understand why the court would rather them pay for the ticket then "excersize their rights". People come in and "try their case" without doing any research (even though they've had several months to prepare), all the want to do it bitch, then when they don't get their way they yell at the judge. Then when that doesn't work, they pout. I have yet to have one person contest a ticket and legitemently put up a good defense. (Not that I wouldn't be keen enough to shoot it down, but atleast try!)

On a side note.....if you are speeding, how is it that you are NOT guilty? And, to top it off...the cameras don't take pictures until you're going 80 MPH....15 MPH faster then the speed limit. How do you think that can be contested? IT CAN'T!! So...instead of taking damn responcibility for their actions, they bitch and complain, stop their feet, write the mayor, all because the camera's did their job, and caught their ASS SPEEDING!! WTF?

:wave: Seriously though, society is full of a bunch of whiners who sweat and work just to find an excuse of why they are now in trouble instead of just "manning up" and getting what they deserve.
 
Mark....if you sat ONE session in court with the cases that I get, you'd understand why the court would rather them pay for the ticket then "excersize their rights". People come in and "try their case" without doing any research (even though they've had several months to prepare), all the want to do it bitch, then when they don't get their way they yell at the judge. Then when that doesn't work, they pout. I have yet to have one person contest a ticket and legitemently put up a good defense. (Not that I wouldn't be keen enough to shoot it down, but atleast try!)

On a side note.....if you are speeding, how is it that you are NOT guilty? And, to top it off...the cameras don't take pictures until you're going 80 MPH....15 MPH faster then the speed limit. How do you think that can be contested? IT CAN'T!! So...instead of taking damn responcibility for their actions, they bitch and complain, stop their feet, write the mayor, all because the camera's did their job, and caught their ASS SPEEDING!! WTF?

:wave: Seriously though, society is full of a bunch of whiners who sweat and work just to find an excuse of why they are now in trouble instead of just "manning up" and getting what they deserve.

Jesse, you're still missing my point. I am NOT saying that you shouldn't be held responsible for violating traffic laws, regardless of whether I think they are right or wrong. What I am saying is that, by making it so that your record can stay clean by simply paying the fine up front, you're basically saying people can speed, run lights, whatever, as long as they can afford to pay off the local government and the camera companies. If the governments (who lease their roads to the camera companies in order to get a piece of the action) were really interested in safety, they would put ALL violations on your record, thus giving people a real incentive to slow the hell down. But it should be clear to most people that these things primary purpose is an income resource, both for the corporations who own the cameras and the local governments, and safety ranks a distant second.

Whether we should be using cameras at all is another topic, but I think it's clear where I stand on that as well.
 
I'm with the group that says if you want to give me a speeding ticket, man up and do it in person. :D
 
Where I worked before retiring, the union would grieve if a camera replaced employe's. What does your union say about it Jesse?
 
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