V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

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Hi folks, as many of you know I have been working on a built up V-10 for the mark. I've the engine completly broken down, and have been saving up for the forged rods and pistons.

last week I received a tip from a guy who works at Ford about the heads on the v-10. The person I bought them from told me the engine was a 2000 F-350 with 310 HP, i.e. with the ford PI heads. I had no reason to question this, so I never bothered to pay attention. After receiving the tip, I actually looked at them, ans as it turns out they are not PI heads, and the engine is from a 99 f-series. The power difference is huge, HP wise the mark engine makes more (although the v-10 still has the torque edge) basically they are worthless. New PI heads run around $2000 or so, which is more money I can't pour into this project.

I have spoken to a lawyer from the state I bought them from, (the guy lives in vegas) who assures me I have a great case for lawsuit, but I can't afford the lawyer fees, and it may require a trip to NV, which again I can't afford, nor have time for. I have emailed the guy demanding my money back ($3000)or else I am suing for the cost of a new V-10 ($7000) I'm not expecting a positve result from this email. I am fully prepared to sue as I have no doubts I'll win,I just need the money to do it.

Wish me luck, I really don't want this project to end because I got screwed by some, well, you know.


dj
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RE: V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

start calling junkyards looking for heads.
 
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I am sure you can buy those heads off of car-parts.com for 200$ V10 heads are not that expensive.

Do you have emails, and other documents specifying that that is a 2000+ V10?
 
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But I have no idea what condition they are in from the junk yards. My wife is pissed enough, i'd be hard pressed to convince her to trust more unknown parts....

Chris, the guy's name is george bagera, the address he gave me for to send the money was in boulder city, which I guess is just outside of vegas.
 
RE: V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

JFC. I know you can get them for 300$ a set. THey are only OHC heads. THose junkyards are usually pretty good. I have bought a lot of parts off of car-parts.com. I had a guy ship me an IRS rearend out of a Jag one time. Called him and told him he screwed up and he sent out hte alum IRS next day. No problems.

I hate to say I told you so like i have already so many times, but that V10 project is more than 99% of the people I know can handle. ESP in a car that is supposed to be driven daily. If you think this is the toughest part of your ordeal you are living a pipe dream. At most this 500$ isn't jack crap compared to what you will end up paying in the long run. If you cannot handle a $500 snag then you are DEFINATLY doing the wrong thing. Give it up now if this situation is too much for you before you totally get yourself in way too deep.

On another note, those heads you have will most likely be almost as good as the PI heads after you do some port work and valve job to them. People with the non PI 4.6 SOHC heads have been getting a tad less CFM out of them opposed to the PI heads with simular mods. The PI heads would be nice if you were running an all out V10 project.

Were you planning on doing port work to these heads? Valve job? Were you going back with stock valves/Springs/retainers? Aftermarket cams?
 
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Get off your horse. You have never told me "I told you so" You have never told me anything about this project. I never asked for your advice. In case you don't remember, you are the one I caught saying all sorts of crap about me behind my back to my wife. You and I don't talk anymore. But if it makes you feel better to think that you've been talking me out of this since day one than fine. And at what point did I say this was the toughest part of my ordeal? I have a strict budget on this project, and buying new heads will put me over. I'm dissapointed, yes, but I am getting my money back one way or another. It's just going to take longer than I thought. As for whether or not this is too much for me to handle, that is for me to decide. It's not going to be easy, and I wasn't expecting it to be easy. If it was, someone would have already finished it. Part of the fun of this whole project is learning as I go. In the last 2 months I've learned how to tear an engine down. Hopefully this winter I'll learn how to put one back together with forged parts.

As for porting the non PI heads, I've already looked into it, and it's just not worth it. With the costs involved, it would be more worth it to just buy PI heads.

I wasn't really planning on porting the PI heads, but I was looking into aftermarket springs and retainers. not very hard yet though, I'm still working on rods and pistons.

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RE: V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

IMHO. Don't give up. A V10 Mark project is way cool. Have the guy make the $$ up to you, get it running with the stock heads and worry about modding it as another project later. By then you're better half will more than likely be a chear leader for this project if she isn't already.

There's something about having a different project that having just "fast" can't compare to.
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RE: V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

Boulder City is about a 20-30 minute drive from my house.Let me know If I can help.Sometimes a face to face meet helps in these matters.
 
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Of course.

PM me if I can help.
I've been working during the day and going to school at night so I've been busy but I could go out there on a weekend if neccessary.
 
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Get off your horse. You have never told me "I told you so" You have never told me anything about this project. I never asked for your advice.
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You are right and wrong. He never told you it wouldn't work, it was me he told. I agreed. BUT, you have publicly asked for help, and Joe provided some. You basically ignored it. Go back through your own posts. You guys need to figure this crap out and go back to being friends.

There is no benefit in PI vs. non-PI after head porting. As far as the engine goes, if you don't port those heads, IMO it is a waste of a project. I would love to see you pull this off. I am rooting for you. My list of options would be about 11:1 compression MAX(N/A or nitrous, 8.5:1 for a blower), forged rods/pistons, aftermarket cams with high lift/duration, aftermarket springs and retainers, billet oil pump gears, and LOTS of headwork. Oversized stainless valves. Maybe hollow or sodium filled ones. And I would run nitrous instead of a blower. If you can fit a turbo in there, even better, but those are $$$$$. And I would have a custom fabricated intake made to match your headwork. Good luck.
 
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[div class="dcquote"][strong]Quote[/strong]Get off your horse. You have never told me "I told you so" You have never told me anything about this project. I never asked for your advice. [/div]You are right and wrong. He never told you it wouldn't work, it was me he told. I agreed. BUT, you have publicly asked for help, and Joe provided some. You basically ignored it. Go back through your own posts. You guys need to figure this crap out and go back to being friends.There is no benefit in PI vs. non-PI after head porting. As far as the engine goes, if you don't port those heads, IMO it is a waste of a project. I would love to see you pull this off. I am rooting for you. My list of options would be about 11:1 compression MAX(N/A or nitrous, 8.5:1 for a blower), forged rods/pistons, aftermarket cams with high lift/duration, aftermarket springs and retainers, billet oil pump gears, and LOTS of headwork. Oversized stainless valves. Maybe hollow or sodium filled ones. And I would run nitrous instead of a blower. If you can fit a turbo in there, even better, but those are $$$$$. And I would have a custom fabricated intake made to match your headwork. Good luck.
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Thank you for your support Eli. I agree that without porting/ PI heads it is a waste. I don't want to go through the trouble of installing it al, only to have to pull it all out and redo the heads later down the road.

I was first looking into high compression since I wasn't sure about a blower, but really the power differences aren't huge, and I like the flexability of getting a blower later. Never was much of a nitrous fan, I prefer the "always on" power of a blower. My biggest decision is going to be twin-screw or centrifugal. Part of me says I should already have enough torque down low that I should get a vortech to compensate for the power up top, but part of me says you can never have enough tire-shredding torque }(


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RE: V-10 project has hit a wall, maybe died

get a couple of 4 valve heads and weld them together. make it a 4 valve v10. Shouldn't be too hard, right?
 
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so wait, he was talking ish about u to your wife? thats great.
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Never told her anyhing I didn't tell him to his face.
 
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