Carlisle 2010 Suggestions?

Trixie

Trixie

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I'd like to hear people's constructive ideas on how to make next year's Carlisle even better.

Dinner plans are just about set for 2010, but let's all work on that for 2011 - input is always welcome, especially if it is something which can be used for improvement.

One suggestion already made by Tixer is to have a fondue theme.

Mrs. Driller suggested a wedding theme.

I'd like to see us find a way to spread out more responsibilities, especially this coming year, have some people who can guard our spaces for pre-registered cars.

What are your ideas in terms of awards?

I don't want to over-plan or over-organize, but lets face it, some people are much more vocal with their opinions than others (myself included), and we DO want to hear from everyone, as this is everyone's show. If you aren't comfortable posting, feel free to PM me or perhaps even Driller (I haven't asked him if this is OK), or let me know if you want Mrs. Driller's e-mail addy, or someone else whom you are comfortable talking to about your ideas.
 
Trixie said:
especially this coming year, have some people who can guard our spaces for pre-registered cars.
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That's a must do.

We will need people there early - especially Saturday - to make sure the pre-registered people get the reserved spaces!

I was told by Rick from Carlisle Events that they assigned the number of spaces by the number of pre-registrants plus 5%. On Saturday this year, there was WELL OVER 5% overflow. There were 40 Lincolns between the two Mark VIII classes and the "Other Lincolns" class. There were 20 Mark VIIs. By my best guess, there were 6-8 or more that registered the day of the show. Normally in the past, that would not have been a problem, but when they only assign 105% of the pre-registered numbers... it becomes a problem.

It is unfair to those who pre-register to be put out of their allocated space by others. If Carlisle Events is going to operate like this, then we have to make sure OUR MEMBERS who pre-register get a space in their class as they deserve!

We will know the numbers who pre-register and we can count the spaces by the markers on the field. If you do not pre-register - you will get what's left. I think it's a shame but they leave us no choice.
 
I usually get there early Saturday but I don't think we can tell people that they can't park in the section that they paid for can we? I don't think it matters whether they pre registered or not, they paid for parking just like we did, they actually paid more.

It sucks that Carlisle doesn't give us enough parking spots, but I think it's first come first served as far as parking goes.

You can put me down for some tent duty though.
 
I agree with Bill, I see no way to prevent someone from parking once they pay. I can see a major problem erupting with the Carlisle management if someone complains. The solution? A major pre-registration push and a concerted effort on our part to convince management to allocate more space. The fact that we've had this problem 2 yrs in a row may help our cause.

I'm at Carlisle now for the El Camino 50th Anniv. We have about 75 pre-registered and managed to get 100 spaces reserved. This was due to a real push based on similar problems the Lincolns had. The El Caminos have been battling lack of space for 3 years..
 
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Well, then we need to have something done. Because while it's unfair that those who pay later don't get a space in their class, it's really unfair (IMO) that those who reserved a spot by registering early can't park where they are supposed to be parked. Carlisle is making the money off selling these spots, but they are in effect overbooking the fairgrounds, at least in our area.
 
I had a talk with Rick today when I saw him. We really need to understand their side also. Here's how it pans out... Ford is their busies show, yes, even busier than Corvette according to them. Space is at a premium. So what do they do? Do they bow to every club and give them the space without looking at pre-regs hoping for the same as the previous year? We are a good example, we used to have 60+ with many classes, even one fro CEs. We then began to dwindle and get smaller so thet allocated less space each year until we wound up on Mt. Everest there. Where, by the way, we had plenty of room.

Or, do they look at pre-registrations, add a % based on available space and hope for the best? Well this is what they do. They can't possibly predict what to expect, he told me of many clubs that simply don't come through so get less space.

Space is limited and they allocate based on pre-registrations and on some gut feeling from the previous years.

They're aren't "overbooking." In fact they do the opposite, they count the pre-regs and ADD space.

Now for the GM show, which is much smaller and always has empty spaces, they can allocate a larger % based on pre-regs. Today i got the final figures of 76 El Camino pre-regs but we're getting three rows worth about 100 vehicles. Why? Because there's room to spare.

There isn't any sense in talking about who gets to park based on how they registered, it just won't fly and in fact could doom us back to the hill the next year.

So what do we need to do? We need to find a better way to get people to pre-register, that's #1. Also, we need to keep after Rick Markko and impress on hi, how we've grown in space and tty to come to some sort of compromise on space. Perhaps put us next to a class that usually has no shows like the T-Birds across the aisle from us last year.

We have time, we need simply to work on a good strategy.
 
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Actually Leo, to me, I'd rather have the space ACROSS from us rather than one continuous line.....It groups us much better and closer together. Would allocating us that way have any bearing on the spaces we get?
 
Why shouldn't PRE-REGISTERED vehicles have guaranteed spots?

Why shouldn't the club that works hard to gather pre-registrants be allowed to reserve their spots?

They are overbooking if they sell spots the day of the show knowing they have X number of pre-registered and an allotted percentage and they exceed the allotted percentage of non-preregistrants.

I'm not saying they can predict any better than we can. But if space is at a premium due to the number of vehicles, they should allow some type of control of the allotted spaces without resorting to a free-for-all.

Their solution is NO solution. They keep ranting "Pre-Register, Pre-Register, Pre-Register" yet do not account for those that do not pre-register at the expense of those that do.

What to do? They could easily continue the current policy and track those that enter the show. When they reach their quota they need to KNOW they are full and not continue to sell spots they do not have. Then the person who could not get a spot will have the responsibility to PRE-REGISTER next year.

OR they could simply admit only those who have pre-registered? That may be what they need to eventually do anyways.

To continue their current practice will only result in further problems if the show continues to grow.
 
driller said:
Why shouldn't PRE-REGISTERED vehicles have guaranteed spots?

Why shouldn't the club that works hard to gather pre-registrants be allowed to reserve their spots?

They are overbooking if they sell spots the day of the show knowing they have X number of pre-registered and an allotted percentage and they exceed the allotted percentage of non-preregistrants.

I'm not saying they can predict any better than we can. But if space is at a premium due to the number of vehicles, they should allow some type of control of the allotted spaces without resorting to a free-for-all.

Their solution is NO solution. They keep ranting "Pre-Register, Pre-Register, Pre-Register" yet do not account for those that do not pre-register at the expense of those that do.

What to do? They could easily continue the current policy and track those that enter the show. When they reach their quota they need to KNOW they are full and not continue to sell spots they do not have. Then the person who could not get a spot will have the responsibility to PRE-REGISTER next year.

OR they could simply admit only those who have pre-registered? That may be what they need to eventually do anyways.

To continue their current practice will only result in further problems if the show continues to grow.
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I agree. Not only that, but they provide NO assistance in getting the cars parked or fit in. Remember, I was told to have the cars "stacked" and was told they would not help me get someone to move who was taking up 2 spots. So if they won't help with the flow of cars, someone needs to take some responsibility. We can only push pre-registration so much.
 
maybe the club can invest in a few of these to hold spots
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JP has a good idea; once all the allotted spots are sold then they can direct traffic to another part of the field and have a different dash plaque and sticker for those people. They won't be in their class to be judged, but it will be their fault for not preregistering.
 
budpytko said:
Actually Leo, to me, I'd rather have the space ACROSS from us rather than one continuous line.....It groups us much better and closer together. Would allocating us that way have any bearing on the spaces we get?
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I thought it was neat when we had Stock across from Modified, like we have a couple of times in the past.

Like everyone says here, pre-registration is the major thing to do. Other than that, we could encourage everyone arriving Saturday to get to the grounds in the morning for the best chance to park all together. I am in support of asking cars to move out of our spots that are obviously parked in the wrong class (like 2008); having Big Brad along helped persuade a couple to move it peacefully ;)
 
All the ideas and opinions here are great and all true... except... Carlisle Events is not going to change, simple as that. Telling them how to run their business won't work. So we need to work with them. A very important point is directing people where to park. We need to be there early and have teams of LODers directing cars as they come in. This way they can be parked closer together, in the proper place by class, and with less trouble.
 
LeoC2 said:
All the ideas and opinions here are great and all true... except... Carlisle Events is not going to change, simple as that. Telling them how to run their business won't work. So we need to work with them. A very important point is directing people where to park. We need to be there early and have teams of LODers directing cars as they come in. This way they can be parked closer together, in the proper place by class, and with less trouble.
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Now that makes sense
 
Another aspect of this that cannot be overlooked. I suspect that nearly every member of our club who attended, was pre-registered. This means that the people who register at the event, probably aren't aware of our club to begin with. I'd guess that we want these folks to feel welcome, and (hopefully) join up. Based on my experience the last two years, this has worked out well.

Forcing the folks who aren't pre-registered to park in less desirable spots, isn't going to help our case.

Getting them parked, into the tent quickly, and offering them a beer (or a baseless promise for a complete detailing) seems to work pretty well. :)
 
Getting them parked, into the tent quickly, and offering them a beer (or a baseless promise for a complete detailing) seems to work pretty well. :)[/QUOTE]

I for sure am going next year if someone is going to hand me a beer and detail my car for me.
 
imtbear69 said:
Getting them parked, into the tent quickly, and offering them a beer (or a baseless promise for a complete detailing) seems to work pretty well. :)
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I for sure am going next year if someone is going to hand me a beer and detail my car for me.[/QUOTE]

Beer happens, detailing, not so much.
 
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