Carlisle 2010 Suggestions?

How about this... there are always people who really don't care about getting the car judged or know they can never win an award. Some may be willing to have their cars parked perpendicular behind others depending on the room available. This frees up a lot of space.[/QUOTE]

This sound like a good idea
 
How about this... there are always people who really don't care about getting the car judged or know they can never win an award. Some may be willing to have their cars parked perpendicular behind others depending on the room available. This frees up a lot of space.

This sound like a good idea[/QUOTE]

I think this sounds good too :)
 
Leo, don't take any of this personally, but listen up.

I can just imagine the "discusssions" when trying to prevent someone from parking. Carlisle staff will never allow this.

The Carlisle staff is doing NOTHING to help with the problem. As a matter of fact, I believe they caused the problem. They did not allocate enough space and I think it was obvious they over-sold registrations well beyond the 'so-called' 5% over pre-registration figure.

I'm telling you guys, the only way to do this is to push the pre-registrations,...

We busted our chops getting pre-registrations and I'm tired of hearing the same ol' same ol'. :(

... do a good job of convincing Rick and the staff to give us more space,...

We were told we got 5% over pre-registrations. You know what 5% of 25 is? ONE

5% of fifty is 2-1/2! :mad:

There were 40 Mark VIIIs and 'Other Lincolns'. (The LOD had at least 25 members pre-register.) There were 20 Mark VIIs. That's 60 Lincolns. According to their "5% over pre-registration" calculations, they gave 3 spots extra for 57 pre-registered entrants? That's ludicrous!

I do not know the real number but there was WAY over 3 people who showed up that wasn't pre-registered.

Also take into consideration - you and me, Leo. I registered 3 vehicles and parked one behind the tent and you were also absent (no dis-respect) - so there's TWO more spots we should've had. I'm telling you we were at least 6-8 spots "short"!

That 5% allowance is simply not acceptable. Hell, if they would've asked, I could've told them that wasn't enough simply based on my past experiences at Carlisle. :mad:

... get to the grounds early,...

Why? So I can get there early and someone else not have the space they paid for? Why should this esteemed event dissolve to a free-for-all?

Tell me, why should anyone bother to PRE-REGISTER months ahead of the show if all they have to do is "show up early" and register the day of the show?

... and have volunteers guide people into the tightest possible spots with pre-registers closest to the tent and others starting at the ends. The spots are marked every 10 feet or so which is enough room for each car. The trick is keeping people from parking on an angle or hogging too much room.

Parking at an angle or hogging room was NOT the problem. People were voluntarily making room. After all, we put sixty cars where they only had room for slightly more than fifty. The Mark VII group was just as overcrowded as we were. The problem was simply too many cars for the allotted space. Period.

How about this... there are always people who really don't care about getting the car judged or know they can never win an award. Some may be willing to have their cars parked perpendicular behind others depending on the room available. This frees up a lot of space.

When I rented the tent, I 'reserved' one spot for a 'service vehicle' (aka the Navi' as it turns out). I held a 'spot' with it and moved it behind the tent for a Mark VIII (gladly I might add). There's ANOTHER spot we were shorted.

We done our part and frankly, we were treated like a red-headed step child. I'm afraid that if it continues we will lose support of the members who are willing to drive hundreds and hundreds of miles to this event. When and if that happens, we AND the staff at Carlisle might as well forget about pushing "pre-registration" because no one wants to register for something weeks or months ahead of time if someone who decides to register the day of the show is given equal access.

OK, I'm done ranting on this. :eek:
 
I have to agree with JP on this. I see it the same way.

We also didn't have Sax's car or Micah's cars parked, another 2 spaces which were pre-registered. Patrick arrived late, so he only got his spot in with "other lincolns" because some other Lincoln had left. So there's 1 more.

We don't know all those who registered but did not pre-register. Will Carlisle give us those names and addresses so we can write to them to urge them to pre-register? We don't know if many of those people are even aware they can pre-register.

I'm not knocking people who don't pre-register. There can be a lot of reasons for it. My issue is with the way Carlisle staff handle it. I think our club has gone above and beyond to try to get people to pre-register. I don't know what else our club can do.

There isn't enough room to stack all those cars, either. People set up tents, chairs, detail supplies. Plus, who ever would have thought Hubby would have won an award? But he did. We didn't drive separately to stack our cars one behind the other. If it weren't for supporting the club, we have no other reason to pre-register. In fact, pre-registration hurts us in case we can't attend or can't bring 2 cars which are paid for in advance.
 
Do the mustang guys have this same problem of being shorted space? My first thought would be no, since they probably represent the majority of the revenue next to sponsorship and vendors.

My opinion, and I have never been to this event, the Lincoln people contribute maybe $3k in gate revenue in return for 9 trophies / plaques or whatever they pass out. If this event is as big as everyone says it is, that is a drop in the bucket to the corporate event organization, and they will blow it off in favor of the bigger fish and keeping them happy - that will keep them in the black.

The grass roots all volunteer SSHS event that I have worked on the past few years needs more than three times that 3k just to break even with the track rental contract and other expenses - and we usually have at least 100 cars participate plus general admission. Everything we do is scrutanized on how it will impact the bottom line, and how we can keep them coming back year after year. Hell, I even pay the entry fee like everyone else, and I can't even begin to tell you how much time and money I personally contribute to keep this event going.

I know apples and oranges, but the point is, the only way to get a for profit company's attention is to hit them in the pocket book and tell them to either commit to fix the problems, or the Lincoln people as a group will move on to another venue! Who knows, they might listen, but my gut feeling is they will call you out and will not make any sweeping changes. Again, my opinion, but this will never change due to the low impact the Lincoln people individually have on the event as a whole. Someone has to be on the Carlisle hill... :)
 
Leo, don't take any of this personally, but listen up.

Why would I take it personally? Actually I'm trying to impress the fact that it's difficult to fight city hall in this case. Go to the Carlisle online forums and you'll see the same complaints among other groups and the same constant answer from Carlisle people.

Now that we have the numbers I'll do my best to impress on Rick these problems and push hard for more space. I've got a pretty good working relationship with these people, especially after GM. We really need not 5% extra but at least double the pre-registrations. The BOD also needs to send him emails and push for space.

By the way... do you know the number of LOD members who attended but did not pre-register? If not I can get a complete list of all Lincolns with owners names, club affiliation, and weather or not pre registered.

we were treated like a red-headed step child.

Now THAT I do take personally! :fart
 
Go to the Carlisle online forums and you'll see the same complaints among other groups and the same constant answer from Carlisle people.

That in itself should show them the problem is not isolated but systemic.

We really need not 5% extra but at least double the pre-registrations.

I doubt double is achievable. Mike makes an eloquent statement. I'm with him, I think the preference is with the largest group(s) and niche models such as ours do not carry the sway. But in saying that I would like Carlisle to consider the ENTIRE Lincoln attendance, not just one class, one model or one club.

By the way... do you know the number of LOD members who attended but did not pre-register? If not I can get a complete list of all Lincolns with owners names, club affiliation, and weather or not pre registered.

I'm not certain on the actual numbers. That info would be very helpful in the final analysis and perhaps as well as in future recruitment efforts and even discussions with the staff at Carlisle.
 
As he's talking about LOD members, can't you just start a poll to get the info right on here? It's only a 2 answer poll.
 
We should have a few questions...

Did you preregister, go to the event and get a space...
Did you preregister, go to the event and NOT get a space... (me)
Did you preregister, and did NOT go to the event...
Did you NOT preregister, and go to the event...

That should give us all the LODers who went...
Anyone think I'm missing anything?

:D -J
 
I've asked Val for the attendance records, I should have it within a couple of days. This info will tell us by name and model who pre registered and who belongs to what club.
 
Will that differentiate between who preregistered, and who also showed up?

:D -J
 
Will that differentiate between who preregistered, and who also showed up?

:D -J

I don't think so but it won't matter, what matters is the ratio between preregistrations compared to day of show registrations.
 
A poll won't help because 1) not everyone who attends is online and 2) not everyone checks or replies to polls and 3) Steve randomly participates in every poll whether it involves him or not.
 
THE NUMBERS...

Leo sent me a list he received from the Carlisle staff. Unfortunately, the list did not differentiate from those who pre-registered and those who did not.

By the numbers, the LOD had 25 registered, the Mark VII Club had 27 registered and the LCOC had 3 registered.

There were 24 'non-affiliated' registered Lincolns! :eek:

The good news is there were 74 Lincolns that registered. Now we know there were some of those that did not show, but safe to say there were more than a couple who did not pre-register!

Of the 25 LOD registrants, 4 were 'not showing'. Leo's, Micah's, BadSax's and one of mine.

22 of the 25 LOD registrants pre-registered. MindyMark, K9T8M and Lead Foot were not on the final list we received from the Carlisle staff for pre-registrations.

Of the 27 Mark VII Club registrants, 4 were non-Lincolns. Like us there were likely a couple who registered and did not show and there were a couple who showed and did not pre-register. Like the LCOC, I do not know who of them pre-registered and who did not.

The huge wildcard in this revelation is the 24 'non-affiliated' registered Lincolns. I would safely say the majority of them did show and did NOT pre-register. That would certainly explain the crowded field on Saturday.

I would think the Carlisle staff withheld the pre-registration statistics from the final tally. They certainly have those records. I believe they likely foresaw the reprisal from having so many Lincolns over the pre-registration numbers and only allocating 5% over the number of pre-registrations.

My final comment would be we need to more vigorously recruit at the event itself. With 24 'non-affiliated' Lincolns, there should be ample opportunity to pick up a couple new members. :wink:
 
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