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Took me awhile but got 12.576 run to upload to photobucket. His memory ran out right after I launched on the best run of 12.573. And yep I know I bulbed. Hope it works.
Quickest Lincolns of Distinction - DISCUSSION
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Here is the 12.573 time slip. Car # on slip matches car # in last vid.
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I don't know if you want to update my mph N/A speed to 107.91
driller
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Same ET or ?
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Yes same old ET. I didn't pick up ET the air was not good. Only thing is I didn't back up that mph. But I have ran within 1.1 mph of it so not that far off.
KStromberg
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KStromberg/Kirk Stromberg/1997 Lincoln MarkVIII/12.295@111.08
KStromberg/Kirk Stromberg/1997 Lincoln MarkVIII/12.295@111.08
KStromberg
Vortech kicked in yo
Your car ran PHENOMENAL Eric. Very nice job with only 3.73s and a whimpy stall. :thumbsup:
KStromberg
Vortech kicked in yo
Quickest Stock Bottom End Boosted Mark VIII 7/30/2016
Finally hit the track today. It was a fun day so street tire cars were running which made the track very unpredictable when it came to traction. I either completely blew the tires off, or I hooked. Thankfully, I got a few good hooking passes in and blew my expectations out of the water. Corn is born. If anyone knows of a quicker stock bottom end boosted Mark VIII on this planet, speak now.
Also, expect this ET to drop come this fall. This is with 17 degrees of safe timing no knock and 8 psi with warmer temps in the 70s.
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KStromberg/Kirk Stromberg/1997 Lincoln MarkVIII/11.546@116.20
Finally hit the track today. It was a fun day so street tire cars were running which made the track very unpredictable when it came to traction. I either completely blew the tires off, or I hooked. Thankfully, I got a few good hooking passes in and blew my expectations out of the water. Corn is born. If anyone knows of a quicker stock bottom end boosted Mark VIII on this planet, speak now.
Also, expect this ET to drop come this fall. This is with 17 degrees of safe timing no knock and 8 psi with warmer temps in the 70s.
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KStromberg/Kirk Stromberg/1997 Lincoln MarkVIII/11.546@116.20
KStromberg
Vortech kicked in yo
The first pass of the day was the most dramatic. I blew the tires off and spun literally halfway down the track and it didn't hook up until 80 mph.
Meanwhile I was legitimately surprised as the ass end even started to walk out slightly so I had to pedal it a bit and get back into it. It sent chills down my spine. LOL That pass was a whopping 13.11@ 114 mph with a 2.2 60' I let the car and my nerves cool down a bit and I went back out and the track seemed like it was starting to bite. Next pass was an 11.70@115.95 with a 1.72 short time that I felt could improve a bit. I wanted 1.6s, so I dropped psi from 20 to 18 and that's where I left the tire pressure. Like I said, the traction was on and off I think in large part due to the street tire cars running and unfortunately what I seemed to notice as very mediocre track prep. If I timed it right and got up to the line after a bunch of big slick cars ran it seemed to help but I'm still at somewhat of a loss there because I had one launch that was like all of the best passes I made today and on that pass out of nowhere I blew em off again out of the hole. On one pass after a nice cool down for a long period of time I got thirsty for an 11.49 so I footbraked up towards 4000 rpm and ended up pushing through the brakes and doing a "brakestand launch" and blew them off. LOL All in all, there was plenty of drama but I had those few unicorn passes where I got it to hook and the results were beyond what I expected. May I add, we got back and the car has no funny noises, no leaks, no metal shavings and the rods are still where they were 20 years ago.
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driller
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The trick now will be to keep it that way. :wink2-greenMay I add, we got back and the car has no funny noises, no leaks, no metal shavings and the rods are still where they were 20 years ago.
My suggestion would be to concentrate on sustainability and traction. It sounds as if traction is your key demon to conquer at this juncture. Optimize the suspension and weight transfer, find the proper tire and air pressures for the best sixty foot times and practice consistent staging and launch techniques. Don't be so quick to blame track prep for lack of traction. Good track prep should be a bonus, not a prerequisite.
I also still strongly believe a good lockup converter will show significant improvement at the top half of the track.
Slowmkviii
i want summer
If you had your race seat in you would have been booted.
KStromberg
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I totally agree. It is in the back of my head. Let's just say I felt comfortable with the fact that I had a trailer to use. LOL A few things we can examine when it comes to sustainability. I can't say what the car does when I am not actually logging it, but when we did street tune it, my tuner wasn't going to let me leave until I came back with an excellent logging session. He was not in the car when I was doing the logging. He sent me a log file, I uploaded it to livewire so that he could read the PIDs that he wanted to see and basically said, "now go drive it" :laugh: Verbally, he spoke a lot to me about idle, wot, and cruise a/f ratios but I know he was watching much more because I had a list pop up of 20 or so PIDs if I recall correctly. He knew I had a wideband so those specific values I could see. On the final logging run when I got back and sent him the session, he said they look excellent. I had mentioned rpms which seemed a bit high but he had told me that the highest rpm was 6642 rpm. So at this point, we cannot rely on the tachometer.The trick now will be to keep it that way. :wink2-green
My suggestion would be to concentrate on sustainability and traction. It sounds as if traction is your key demon to conquer at this juncture. Optimize the suspension and weight transfer, find the proper tire and air pressures for the best sixty foot times and practice consistent staging and launch techniques. Don't be so quick to blame track prep for lack of traction. Good track prep should be a bonus, not a prerequisite.
I also still strongly believe a good lockup converter will show significant improvement at the top half of the track.
2 things that would concern any gearhead rocking this stock engine at this point is fueling, rpms, and knock. With the timing advance at 17 degrees and everything else that my tuner had observed with the logs, he told me that the car will never knock in its current state. I fully believe that the E85 and meth is doing an excellent job at this. So next, I feared for the rods a bit as I had expected to be crossing the traps at near 7000 rpms on open converter but that turned out to be significantly less and was at around 6700 "according to the tachometer"so maybe even slightly less in reality.
AF ratios are right where they need to be and are 11.7-12.0 at wide open throttle. This is precisely where the tuner wanted to see them and we hit the nail right on the head here. On pump gas my af ratios were right around 11.5 so we are running a bit leaner. I am no tuning expert so I am kind of trusting my tuner at this point. I do believe he took the lean it out and keep the timing back approach versus adding more timing and richening it up. If this thing knocks, it could be game over in short time. With that said, I still have a wild hair up my ass to try running a wild tune on it for track use only where we could advance the timing several degrees but I haven't decided whether I want to pull that trigger yet or not. The biggest mental battle there is the fact that timing advance will without a doubt make significant improvements in my ETs but might become a reliablility issue internally, particularly pistons. It depends if I want to play with hot lava or not.
Onto the converter lockup. Some mph can be had there but can we be certain that ET will drop in an equal or greater amount? According to the guy who built my car.... not likely. His opinion here is that lockup in 3rd gear will likely create more realistic trap speeds in relation to my ETs. We can certainly agree that my mph is down. Don Pfau was right around 119mph traps with an ET just over a tenth slower than me. He was locking up in 3rd. With that said my builder told me that I would for sure pick up some mph but I may just be surprised to find that the ET may only drop by a tenth or so. I'm already looking at low 11s in better air. I have a hard time believing that a better converter would be enough to put this car into the high 10s. The only reason I mention these figures driller is because I recall you saying awhile back that you had tested unlocked and you lost like a half second. I certainly don't expect those results on this setup. If so, I would be at an 11.04 I just can't see that happening.
Onto the suspension and weight transfer. The car is on factory airride and the height sensors had to be adjusted to full max out back in order to give me enough clearance where I wasn't going to risk ripping my fenders off launching the car. I do believe that the fuel cell over the rear axles helped with weight transfer. This area is gray for me because I still haven't entirely narrowed down what is going on. I tried all over the place with the footbrake which might have led to some of the inconsistencies but at the same time was dealing with street tire cars on the track and mediocre prep which makes it hard to find out what is really wrong. I do believe that I may need to stay well under 3000 rpms on the footbrake in order to keep traction. Perhaps what worked last year, no longer works this year. Also to be considered is the full poly knuckle bushings. Perhaps less deflection there due to the harder material is making it easier to spin but again, I don't know.
So, what to do for this fall? I have a plan somewhat. First of all, I need to get the fiberglass shell seats in the car. Since all others are now removed and I am sitting in just one stock seat, the weight drop there is now just an additional 25#. I would like to gut the dash of the heater stuff which was said to be another 20 or so and do some other things. I may consider running an 11.5# braille racing battery up front and deleting the ac compressor to get another 40# or so off of the nose. I would also like to get my hands on some Lexan and delete the entire sunroof assembly as that will also be a decent amount of weight off. I do believe that it is very conceivable that I could dump another 100# off of this car and with cooler air and nothing else changed could see 11.20-11.30s. Interestingly enough, if I were to take that leap of faith and advance the timing further several degrees on a wild corn tune the car just MIGHT reach high 10 second territory.
KStromberg
Vortech kicked in yo
I just looked up the DA. 2282 feet.
driller
El Presidente
Did you log any of your runs at the track?
17 degrees of timing sure sounds low and should be plenty safe with E85 and methanol. Having said that, I would be very hesitant to increase the timing. I would only recommend to do so in a controlled environment, on a dyno while logging knock and measuring torque increase/decrease.
The gains from a lockup converter would be proportional in my experience. If I could see 0.5 seconds in a 13 second car, my guess is you would see a 2-3 tenths difference in an 11 second car. The slower car will always benefit more on any one particular application.
I would suggest getting the car on a set of wheel scales and identify your current weight distribution with the car on its diet. This is where you could benefit more by removing weight from the right place rather than simple weight loss across the board.
17 degrees of timing sure sounds low and should be plenty safe with E85 and methanol. Having said that, I would be very hesitant to increase the timing. I would only recommend to do so in a controlled environment, on a dyno while logging knock and measuring torque increase/decrease.
The gains from a lockup converter would be proportional in my experience. If I could see 0.5 seconds in a 13 second car, my guess is you would see a 2-3 tenths difference in an 11 second car. The slower car will always benefit more on any one particular application.
I would suggest getting the car on a set of wheel scales and identify your current weight distribution with the car on its diet. This is where you could benefit more by removing weight from the right place rather than simple weight loss across the board.
KStromberg
Vortech kicked in yo
Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. My builder suggested to me that we set up my exhaust so that the backhalf is flanged and easily removable. This could potentially add 10hp or so and drop about 30#
KStromberg
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Here is a "video of a video". Privacy settings are causing an issue since this video was not posted on the social network by me.
Here was the 3rd best pass, and first pass that put me in the top spot for boosted stock bottom end Mark VIII. To add to the excitement I was up against a 707hp Hellcat. He fought the entire track to get ahead. He got me at the end......by a couple cars.
Here was the 3rd best pass, and first pass that put me in the top spot for boosted stock bottom end Mark VIII. To add to the excitement I was up against a 707hp Hellcat. He fought the entire track to get ahead. He got me at the end......by a couple cars.
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I think the tune is on the money I also think converter lock up would benefit MPH... ET not so much.
I know the rock is hit and miss on Saturdays for track prep which would explain your hit and miss traction issues. A Sunday at the rock or a trip to BIR would answer that.
You put a lot into this, glad to see you have some success.
Congrats are due, enjoy the ride and keep that trans cool!!!
I know the rock is hit and miss on Saturdays for track prep which would explain your hit and miss traction issues. A Sunday at the rock or a trip to BIR would answer that.
You put a lot into this, glad to see you have some success.
Congrats are due, enjoy the ride and keep that trans cool!!!